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NoDogma
USA
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 Posted - Jan 07 2015 : 8:17:07 PM
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I am sure this question has come up before. I find it interesting that in the lessons of AYP, enlightenment is often talked of as THE thing to reach. and there is this forum talking about milestones to that. At the same time, it is argued that there's nothing like that :-)
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SeySorciere
Seychelles
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Posted - Jan 07 2015 : 11:46:27 PM
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It's one of those great paradoxes.  
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BlueRaincoat
United Kingdom
1731 Posts |
Posted - Jan 08 2015 : 06:33:12 AM
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There is enlightenment, but I think it is a comparative, not an absolute term.
You can say you are more enlightened now than last year, but you can't say "that's it, I've now reached IT, I've not further to go."
So when people ask on this forum how many AYPers have reached enlightenment, nobody will put their hands up because the journey is not over, not as long as we're still alive.
I've actually wondered if it is even possible for any one human being to reach full enlightenment on their own. If we are all one, can a single individual be fully enlightened until all of us are? |
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Ecdyonurus
Switzerland
479 Posts |
Posted - Jan 08 2015 : 06:44:32 AM
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| Maybe it is like health: we all want to achieve and maintain good health, but the level of health can always be improved, the paradox being that even the human with the best health has to die one day... |
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Dogboy
USA
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Posted - Jan 08 2015 : 08:27:28 AM
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| 'Enlightenment', whatever that really means, isn't even on my radar. My practice is focused on the day-to-day, how I am feeling and doing based on experience. I have no expectation of progression on the path; it is best and easiest for me to be present in the present, to leave tomorrow for tomorrow. |
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Ecdyonurus
Switzerland
479 Posts |
Posted - Jan 08 2015 : 09:03:31 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Dogboy
'Enlightenment', whatever that really means, isn't even on my radar. My practice is focused on the day-to-day, how I am feeling and doing based on experience. I have no expectation of progression on the path; it is best and easiest for me to be present in the present, to leave tomorrow for tomorrow.
Hi Dogboy, have the same opinion: I focus on present life, don't look for enlightenment. Equanimity in daily activity is on my radar. This does not mean that enlightenment is not important, it only means that for me it is not a relevant aspect on my current path. Maybe it will be in another life, who knows. |
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Dogboy
USA
2242 Posts |
Posted - Jan 08 2015 : 11:21:13 AM
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Yogani mentioned somewhere in these lessons (paraphrasing) you can't pull the seedling from the seed, but you can fertilize the soil, plant in a patch of ideal light, and provide water. What happens beyond that is no longer up to the sower.  |
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cosmic
USA
821 Posts |
Posted - Jan 08 2015 : 10:35:08 PM
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I bought a cup of yogurt because it read "Fruit on the Bottom".
When I got to the bottom, there was no fruit.
It was delicious.
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karl
United Kingdom
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Posted - Jan 10 2015 : 1:36:42 PM
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machart
USA
342 Posts |
Posted - Jan 10 2015 : 9:22:42 PM
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Originally posted by cosmic
I bought a cup of yogurt because it read "Fruit on the Bottom".
When I got to the bottom, there was no fruit.
It was delicious.
I like that response...just enjoy what cards are dealt...but learn how to make the most of them... |
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Charliedog
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Posted - Jan 11 2015 : 03:53:41 AM
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| I love yogurt....... |
Edited by - Charliedog on Jan 11 2015 05:00:10 AM |
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cosmic
USA
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Posted - Jan 17 2015 : 8:16:53 PM
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why talk about enlightenment and then say there's
