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NoDogma

USA
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Posted - Dec 08 2014 :  6:59:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Message

I am referring to 'neutral observer' i.e. a part of you which you can imagine is watching your thoughts, even your facial expressions, your body.

and I've some questions about this :

is it a more instantaneous transition to 'identifying myself as the neutral observer' from 'identifying myself as the mind/body/thoughts which is observed by the neutral observer' ? i.e. one day the neutral observer is not you but from then onwards it is you

or is it more likely to happen few moments at a time and increase in duration ?

and does this happen to many people who practice AYP, Kriya and other paths ?

thanks,

Christi

United Kingdom
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Posted - Dec 09 2014 :  05:44:59 AM  Show Profile  Visit Christi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Nodogma,

What you are referring to is called "coming into the witness". Usually it happens in glimpses at first, so we go through times where we are simply observing as the witness, and times when we are caught up in the play of the world. Gradually, the glimpses become longer and we are caught out less and less often.

Eventually it becomes a permanent state, and we then begin the transition towards unity.

And yes, it certainly does happen to many people who practice AYP and other paths.

Christi

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NoDogma

USA
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Posted - Dec 09 2014 :  11:25:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Glad to know this and thanks much for the reply.

It has been happening more and more ... and hence I was wondering if the experiences were hallucinations or not :-)

<edit: added> p.s. I don't take mushrooms or weed or other drugs.

Edited by - NoDogma on Dec 10 2014 12:27:29 AM
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Christi

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Posted - Dec 10 2014 :  02:55:33 AM  Show Profile  Visit Christi's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
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Charliedog

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Posted - Dec 11 2014 :  03:38:46 AM  Show Profile  Visit Charliedog's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Lately I am aware of the moment I fall asleep, witness myself sleeping, breath coming in, breath coming out....then somewhere I loose it and sometimes the witness wakes up before me, watching breath coming in, breath coming out, the body as an empty space. Then it feels like I have a choice, do I wake up now or be a witness,
It feels peaceful and still.....

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SeySorciere

Seychelles
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Posted - Dec 11 2014 :  03:49:17 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
No, it means you are witnessing.

Sey
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NoDogma

USA
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Posted - Dec 13 2014 :  10:13:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Get a Link to this Reply
Sey, who is witnessing ?
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