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645 From: Ashwin Sun <ashwinjlsun@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Apr 8, 2005 9:39pm
Subject: Inverted Postures - Limits ashwinjlsun
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As far as meditating IN headstand, or inverted stands,
I have seen in multiple places a warning about subtle
damage to the brain happening with periods of over 3-5
minutes in these asanas. They say that the 'delicate
and intricate technology of the human brain' exists
BECAUSE of the controlled amount of blood going to the
head. ALL other animals are NOT bipedal, and thus
their brains cannot develop the amount of sensitivity
that a human bipedal brain has developed over time.
Thus they recommend continuing this 'control' of blood
flow to the brain...
This is one take I heard on inverted postures. FYI
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646 From: victor yj <vic@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Apr 9, 2005 1:42am
Subject: Re: Inverted Postures - Limits vic
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Ashwin, that is not what I have been taught. Staying in headstand and shoulderstand for 15- 20 minutes each is not unusual for experienced practitioners, at least in the Iyengar tradition. Stayiong still in each inversion for 10 minutes follewed by perhaps 5-10 minutes of variations is considered to be quite beneficial.
Ashwin Sun <ashwinjlsun@yahoo.com> wrote:
As far as meditating IN headstand, or inverted stands,
I have seen in multiple places a warning about subtle
damage to the brain happening with periods of over 3-5
minutes in these asanas. They say that the 'delicate
and intricate technology of the human brain' exists
BECAUSE of the controlled amount of blood going to the
head. ALL other animals are NOT bipedal, and thus
their brains cannot develop the amount of sensitivity
that a human bipedal brain has developed over time.
Thus they recommend continuing this 'control' of blood
flow to the brain...
This is one take I heard on inverted postures. FYI
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647 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Apr 9, 2005 0:08am
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I'm not saying that extended inversions are definitely safe. But thousands of yogis do so as
a daily practice without reporting problems. i probably spend 15 mins/day inverted
myself, all told, and have for years. And I know many who do 10 minute head stand and
20 minute shoulder stand. In fact, in the Iyengar system, they believe you don't get any
thyroid effect from shoulder stand if you hold less than 5 mins.
Again, I'm not saying that what you're quoting is wrong. But there's no science there.
There've been no studies, to my knowledge, on the effects of inversion on brain chemistry.
So it's a matter of trusting one yogi's intuition over anothers. And I can tell you that some
very, very good yogis advocate long inversions.
So...jury's out!
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, Ashwin Sun <ashwinjlsun@y...> wrote:
>
> As far as meditating IN headstand, or inverted stands,
> I have seen in multiple places a warning about subtle
> damage to the brain happening with periods of over 3-5
> minutes in these asanas. They say that the 'delicate
> and intricate technology of the human brain' exists
> BECAUSE of the controlled amount of blood going to the
> head. ALL other animals are NOT bipedal, and thus
> their brains cannot develop the amount of sensitivity
> that a human bipedal brain has developed over time.
> Thus they recommend continuing this 'control' of blood
> flow to the brain...
>
> This is one take I heard on inverted postures. FYI
>
>
>
>
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620 From: "Greg" <trian3@charter.net>
Date: Wed Apr 6, 2005 1:03pm
Subject: Re: Halasana - Need help trian3
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Hey, thanks for the book recommendation. I was considering that one a
while ago, but ultimately decided to pass on it as I thought
Iyengar's book was illustrative enough for my needs. If anyone else
would like a copy of the book, I found what looks to be the best price
here (only $9.00 new!):
http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.c...6&PID=284433
Thank you,
Greg M.
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim_and_his_karma"
<jim_and_his_karma@y...> wrote:
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>
> Greg, I'd very strongly recommend this book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/
> detail/-/0679722874 if you have no choice but to work from books.
>
> There are great Iyengar school teachers in SF. Ping again if you
need reccos.
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" <trian3@c...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello Victor,
> >
> > Yes, indeed. It helps very much. Thank you. I look forward to
> > making the adjustments for this morning's practice. Given that
> > explanation, I can see now how proper instruction is considered so
> > necessary. Right now, where I live, that's not an option, but soon
> > (hopefully) I'll be moving down to the Bay Area (CA) and will most
> > assuredly be getting proper instruction at that time. Until then, the
> > book and this forum are my only resources.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Greg M.
> >
> >
> > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, victor yj <vic@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > What you want is to roll the shoulders towards the the
> > shoulderblades so that the bodyweight is balanced as much as possible
> > on the shoulders and not on the neck. the feeling should be that the
> > neck is somewhat lifted from the floor by the roatation of the
> > shoulders. The sequence for hand placement in halasana is first to
> > hold the back as in shoulderstand. In some months as this becomes easy
> > then take the arms over the ehad on the floor towards the feet. Then
> > when this becomes easy one take the hands and arms in the opposite
> > direction from the feet but not interlocking. The final grasp of the
> > hands is the icing on the cake. It should go along with the lift of
> > the neck from the floor and the weight on the shoulders. There should
> > feel no pressure on the 7th cervical vertebrae and the neck should
> > retain as much of its natural curve as possible rather than being
> > flattened on the floor or lengthening. Do not try to lengthen the neck
> > but feel that the neck is light with minimal stretch to
> > > the back of the neck. stretch should be at the throat with the chin
> > untucking and soft as the chest moves towards the chin.
> > > Does that help?
> > >
> > > Greg <trian3@c...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I thank you for your concern, but I consider myself to have a very
> > > good sense of bodily awareness developed through years of
training in
> > > other disciplines. Given the nature of yoga, I find my level of
> > > consciousness heightened even more as I do the exercises. :) What
> > > then is the best way to increase the requisite flexibility in this
> > area?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Greg M
> > >
> > > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, victor yj <vic@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Don't worry about the interlock, just keep the hands loose or hold
> > > tghe back with them at first. Halasana takes time and to try to push
> > > too far too fast will do more harm than good. Just take it slow
and go
> > > with the breath and the feeling. This pose and shoulderstand should
> > > really be taught by a good teacher though rather than from a book as
> > > the neck is very delicate and you don't want to injure your neck.
> > > Trust me on that.
> > > >
> > > > Greg <trian3@c...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I just recently started doing Hatha yoga and am following the
> > > > beginner's regimen as outlined in BKS Iyengar's "Light on
Yoga". The
> > > > second to final asana in the first two week course is called
> > > > Halasana (Pgs 216-220 if you have the book). I'm having
trouble with
> > > > interlocking my hands and most especially with turning them over.
> > > > Does anyone have a tip or two that will help with this? I'm
uncertain
> > > > if it's a matter of simple flexibility or if it's more the case of
> > > > muscle getting in the way. Any advice is welcome.
> > > >
> > > > Thank-you,
> > > >
> > > > Greg M
> > > >
> > > > PS I hope this is the right forum in which to post this. If
not, I
> > > > apologize.
> > > >
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605 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Apr 5, 2005 11:43pm
Subject: Re: Halasana - Need help jim_and_his_...
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Victor's a really experienced hatha yogi, so I hope you heed his advice. Yes...please don't
fool around with halasana without a teacher. Iyengar teachers are good..they're well-
trained and very precise and meticulous; not afraid to correct you. The perfect way to start
out.
Books (and advice on Internet forums) are good for supplemental info once you're in the
groove. Get in the groove with a good teacher...please! Protect your body; AYP should be
demonstrating to you that it's sacred! We don't want you to get hurt!
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, victor yj <vic@y...> wrote:
>
> Don't worry about the interlock, just keep the hands loose or hold tghe back with them
at first. Halasana takes time and to try to push too far too fast will do more harm than
good. Just take it slow and go with the breath and the feeling. This pose and
shoulderstand should really be taught by a good teacher though rather than from a book
as the neck is very delicate and you don't want to injure your neck. Trust me on that.
>
> Greg <trian3@c...> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I just recently started doing Hatha yoga and am following the
> beginner's regimen as outlined in BKS Iyengar's "Light on Yoga". The
> second to final asana in the first two week course is called
> Halasana (Pgs 216-220 if you have the book). I'm having trouble with
> interlocking my hands and most especially with turning them over.
> Does anyone have a tip or two that will help with this? I'm uncertain
> if it's a matter of simple flexibility or if it's more the case of
> muscle getting in the way. Any advice is welcome.
>
> Thank-you,
>
> Greg M
>
> PS I hope this is the right forum in which to post this. If not, I
> apologize.
>
>
>
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610 From: "Danny" <danny@metalhosts.com>
Date: Wed Apr 6, 2005 4:12am
Subject: Re: Halasana - Need help mysticaldan
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Namaste Greg,
For the complete Halasana you need to take time for ur hands to become
flexible to join. Earlier u will just be able to put ur palms on the ground
and fter ur comfortable with the feet touching the floor behind your head
you will find that the hands can come together and you will be able to
interwine your hands. Turning the hands comes a little later and you will
feel the shoulder muscles feeling the stretch then. Give your self time and
it will come surely :-)
Om Tat Sat
Dan
> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 05:20:36 -0000
> From: "Greg" <trian3@charter.net>
> Subject: Halasana - Need help
>
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I just recently started doing Hatha yoga and am following the
> beginner's regimen as outlined in BKS Iyengar's "Light on Yoga". The
> second to final asana in the first two week course is called
> Halasana (Pgs 216-220 if you have the book). I'm having trouble with
> interlocking my hands and most especially with turning them over.
> Does anyone have a tip or two that will help with this? I'm uncertain
> if it's a matter of simple flexibility or if it's more the case of
> muscle getting in the way. Any advice is welcome.
>
> Thank-you,
>
> Greg M
>
> PS I hope this is the right forum in which to post this. If not, I
> apologize.
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