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642 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri Apr 8, 2005 2:26pm
Subject: Meditating in postures obsidian9999
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> I agree with you on the advantages of backstrech. When i do it i
> clearly feel some shake/movement kind of thing in the back.
>
> During mornings asanas are hard to do (body is not flexible) while
> evenings i feel it really flexible. is there anything i could do
> before asanas in the morning to enhance my flexibility?
Hello Near,
I do Salutation to the Sun. This limbers you up a bit. I'm blessed
with good natural flexibility though; not everyone could (or should)
go straight out of bed into sun salutation as a warm-up. There are
lots of other warmups but I don't have any direction on them ---
perhaps you could ask the group for direction on warm-ups if you
don't have them....
But I'm not so sure this lack of flexibility is a problem anyway.
The muscles are a little shorter in the morning (meaning their
relaxed length is shorter) and get a little 'longer' through the
day. This means that you get a 'stretch' at a lesser extent of the
posture. It means you don't have to go as far to get the same muscle-
stretch. The muscle-stretch is one of the keys to the affect of the
posture.
So what it means for me is that my morning backstretch posture might
be an inch or two less 'extended' shall we say than my evening one.
But if the effect is less than the evening one, I don't believe it
is significantly less for being less extended, because the 'stretch'
is just as strong.
Another reason why beginners shouldn't sweat about lack of
flexibility so much!
> Also how about the idea of meditating in shoulder stand? i know it
> can be very difficult but it can be very useful also. what do u
guys
> think?
Meditating actually *IN* asanas can be good but different to regular
meditation.
There are two things which condition the meditation in the posture
(i) Muscle and nervous-system effort needed to maintain the posture
moment-to-moment
(ii) The level of body safety in the posture. By level of body
safety, ask
what would happen if the body were suddenly to relax totally while
you were
in the posture.
Both of these things draw 'attention' from your nervous system,
requiring it to be alert and focussed. The specific state of
attention required can be unsuitable to certain kinds of meditative
effect. I think most people will find that the most powerful of
their meditations are therefore in the classic meditation postures
such as lotus. But we don't have to make a false dichotomy; we are
not in an either-or situation, so we can also meditate in regular
asanas.
If you look at the classic meditation posture (lotus) it is a posture
which requires very little 'maintenance', second-to-second, from the
nervous system. Very few muscles are active, and are in a low state
of tension if they are. It is also a posture in which the body is
very 'safe'; you are not going to injure yourself by loss of
attention.
If you meditate in the shoulder-stand, your body will probably
always be aware of the possibility of injury. While this is a good
thing, it has its effect on the meditation; in certain ways, your
body-mind *cannot* relax fully.
This injury-fear is not there for all postures. People can relax
considerably in certain other postures, and are very safe in them,
especially if they are advanced into them, including plough, twist
and others.
Back-stretch is quite safe too. By and large you won't injure
yourself in it, and your body will figure that out. So this one
already has high 'safety'. My suggestion for the strap is as a means
to reduce the burden you body has to maintain in order to maintain
the posture, moment-to-moment. With a proper strap wrapped around
your elbow and feet, you can let your posture 'hang' in place,
considerably reducing the effort of posture-maintenance by your back
muscles. This way you can get your stretch, and relaxation of most
of your body muscles. It is possible to meditate very well in this
posture (of course this will be subjective).
Actually, by the time you bring your elbow into the picture, you
probably can hold a very developed posture. In the early stages,
you can hold the strap in your hands, and that will be enough to
keep a stretch.
One other thing; the stretch doesn't have to be strong. When you
use a posture for meditation, I would favor length-before-strength (
a phrase from the card-game Bridge which is good for yoga too),
meaning time of stretch being more worth favoring than strength of
stretch. It is not that common to appreciate yoga postures this
way. I'd recommend you give it a try. Get a strap, get into a very
light backstretch, use the strap to hold you in the posture with
minimum effort and relax into the posture. Close your eyes and
meditate.
One of the 'methods' of meditation which can be quite suitable for
meditating in an asana is 'give bare attention to the body'. Instead
of using a mantra, give your bare attention to your body
experience, without evaluating it. It's similar to the mantra
formula; whatever comes up, give your bare attention to your body
experience. Feel the stretch. Of course, the dividing line between
what is meditation here and what is just proper hatha yoga
instruction is not clear. Those instructions *are* part of the
classic hatha yoga teaching method. This is not always seen as a
meditation instruction, but it can be.
And another is attention to the breath. And so on.
Blessings,
-David
>
> Love, Near
>
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Ram,
> >
> > I meant that backstretch itself, done for a long time, is
great
> > prelude to meditation. Were you wondering if I thought others
were
> > good as a prelude to meditation? Probably the two that also
stand
> > out most are shoulderstand and headstand. If shoulderstand and
> > headstand are the king and queen, I would say backstretch is the
> > president. Or the prime minister. :)
> >
> > When you get really flexible and comfortable with the
backstretch,
> > it's a great one to hold for a long time. When you are really
> > comfortable with it, you can use a strap so that you can relax in
> the
> > backstretch and use it as a meditation in itself; you can make
a
> > loop with it and wrap it around your legs and hold this loop with
> > your elbow; this strap can be used not so much to pull extra
> tightly
> > rather but to allow the body to relax deeply.
> >
> > It's one to go slow with, just like all the postures. being
able
> to
> > easily do a six or ten-minute stint in it might be the fruit of
> > months or years of build-up.
> >
> > Speaking of overdoing it, I once got this great sense that I
> > was "overcoming a major block" when doing a backstretch and I
> wanted
> > to do it harder and harder. And I probably was releasing
something
> > at the time. But I got hold of a strap and pulled really hard
and
> > held for a really long time. And my leg started to get a bit
> numb.
> > And I said 'hell with it, it'll be fine, I've got this major
> block
> > being released and that is really important'. I held for about a
> > half-hour. The numbness in my leg did not go away when I
stopped.
> > Nor the next day. Nor the next day. Nerve damage basically.
> Nerve
> > damage. Pride of the Yogis. Many weeks later, it was
eventually
> > gone, so I think I got away with no permanent damage. I was a
> > fool, and got away with it this time. I learned my lesson.
Never
> > again. Sometimes you might be overcoming a major block but that
is
> > no reason to behave foolishly.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > -David
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, Ram Narayan Gupta
<rngupta31@y...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > dear David!
> > > Would you please be a bit specific about what type of asanas do
> you
> > think are good for backstrech as prelude to meditation.
> > > Thanks & regards,
> > > R N Gupta
> > >
> > > obsidian9999 <obsidian9999@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have found shoulderstand wonderful.
> > >
> > > I'd like to mention to anyone who is looking for a meditation-
> > > enhancing pose (and yes, they are all, in a way meditation-
> > > enhancing);
> > >
> > > I was glad of a tip that backstretch done for a long time can
be
> a
> > > great prelude to meditation. I don't know why this is, and I
> cannot
> > > claim to be an expert on hatha yoga. Maybe it's something about
> > > stretching those lower back muscles? Maybe it's the huge mass
of
> > > muscle stretched, since so many leg muscles are stretched and
leg
> > > muscles are more than half of the body's muscle mass. But
> whatever
> > > the reason, the backstretch done and held for a while (maybe
five
> > or
> > > six minutes or so when you are used to it) can be a great
prelude
> > to
> > > meditation. A wonderful one. I've found my chitta-levels drop
to
> > > say maybe even a third after a good long backstretch.
> > >
> > > By the way, if you do a long backstretch, come out nice and
> > > slowly. This can be relative to the time you've spent in it.
> > >
> > > Blessings -- David
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim_and_his_karma"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Victor knows this, but I'm just chiming in to add that while
> > > shoulderstand is indeed
> > > > important to counteract headstand, and soothe nerves, it also
> > does
> > > a lot more than that.
> > > > Shoulderstand and headstand are the cruxes of asana
> > practice....the
> > > queen and king of
> > > > poses, respectively. The benefits of shoulderstand are too
many
> > to
> > > list.
> > > >
> > > > So since it's great to do...but also risky to do....it makes
> > sense
> > > to limit the risk. Hence, my
> > > > piles of blankets. I haven't done the pose sans blankets in
> over
> > 20
> > > years. But the pose is so
> > > > important that....words fail. It's really important.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, victor yj wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim described it well. The 7th cervical vertebrae
(vertebrae
> > > prominans) is at the base of
> > > > the neck just before the first thoracic. This is the spot
that
> > > tends to get the brunt of
> > > > shoulderstand. Shoulderstand seems to be a problematic
posture
> > for
> > > many and most
> > > > chiropractors advise against it. If one does headstand
however
> it
> > > is important to releive
> > > > trhe pressure on the neck afterwards and that is an important
> > role
> > > for shoulderstand and
> > > > plough. It also soothes the nerves and gives an inverted pose
> > that
> > > helps counteract some
> > > > of the impact of gravity.
> > > > >
> > > > > jim_and_his_karma wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > There are better people than me to answer this (victor,
> > probably,
> > > for that matter). I'm
> > > > not
> > > > > real schooled in anatomy, just well trained in yoga. But
let
> me
> > > take a stab, and others
> > > > can
> > > > > correct.
> > > > >
> > > > > The vertebara which gets crunched in shoulder stand (and,
> less,
> > > halasana) is the one
> > > > right
> > > > > at the base of where neck joins shoulders. It's easy to
> > > confirm...do a shoulder stand, and
> > > > > notice what's sitting on the floor bearing all your weight.
> > > That's the one. Poor little guy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Try doing shoulder stand on smooth, carefully folded
blankets
> > (no
> > > lumps!). A rise of as
> > > > > much as like 4 inches is fine. Make sure that the rounded
> part
> > of
> > > the fold is the part
> > > > facing
> > > > > your neck, and let your neck extend a couple inches past
this
> > > (i.e. the edge of the
> > > > blankets
> > > > > shouldn't actually touch your neck). Shoulders and arms on
> the
> > > blankets. You'll see that
> > > > > this vertebra is now free and clear and bearing no load.
> > > > >
> > > > > Try an experiment. Next person you meet who practices yoga,
> ask
> > > if they use blankets
> > > > in
> > > > > shoulderstand. If the answer is "no", ask to touch this
> > vertebra.
> > > It will almost certainly be
> > > > > swollen. It's an intrinsic problem with yoga. Note, though,
> > that
> > > some smart people (as
> > > > > experienced as I am) believe the dangers are overblown. But
> why
> > > take the chance?
> > > > >
> > > > > Work hard to move all your weight up, up, up. Aim to walk
on
> > the
> > > ceiling. And don't let
> > > > > your elbows splay out. I use a belt to keep them narrow and
> > > parallel. And don't let the
> > > > > weight of trunk and legs fall on your neck. It's shoulder
> > stand,
> > > not neck stand. Keeping
> > > > the
> > > > > body quite straight, slowly move your feet in the opposite
> > > direction of your head until
> > > > the
> > > > > weight is truly on your shoulders. It may seem hard to
> sustain,
> > > but you'll get used to it!
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Very interesting. I thought I was pretty safe doing these
> > > shoulder
> > > > > > stands due to my slim but relatively muscular physique.
But
> > in
> > > light
> > > > > > of what you've written here, I'll certainly have to
> > reconsider
> > > that.
> > > > > > Tell me... I haven't had much experience w/ spinal
anatomy.
> > > How
> > > > > > exactly do I find C5/C6? Is C6 the one that juts out the
> most
> > > at the
> > > > > > base of the neck before it starts curving back?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greg M.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim_and_his_karma"
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But all the senior teachers, to my knowledge, use
> multiple
> > > blankets.
> > > > > > Iyengar has disavowed
> > > > > > > many things in LIght on Yoga...he's learned much in the
> > half
> > > century
> > > > > > since the book came
> > > > > > > out. And I think you may be understating his rationale
> for
> > the
> > > > > > blankets. It wasn't an "oh,
> > > > > > > what the hell" thing. Consider: Patricia Walden (one of
> the
> > > two top
> > > > > > Iyengar yogis in US,
> > > > > > > famed for being able to do every pose in Light on Yoga,
> > does
> > > 100+
> > > > > > dropbacks into urdva
> > > > > > > dhanurasana, etc) has recently gone from three blankets
> to
> > > two in
> > > > > > her shoulderstand
> > > > > > > practice, only because after decades of work she is
> finally
> > > able to
> > > > > > elevate the cervical
> > > > > > > vertebra on her own...a little (Iyengar himself creates
> an
> > > enormous
> > > > > > tunnel in the spinal
> > > > > > > cavity - you can plunge your fist in easily when he's
in
> > > shoulder
> > > > > > stand or halasana...so he
> > > > > > > doesn't need blankets).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And since (at least in strict Iyengar practice)
> > shoulderstand
> > > > > > follows immediately after
> > > > > > > halasana, without pause, it's hard to imagine how the
> > blanket
> > > stack
> > > > > > could be modified on
> > > > > > > the fly.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That said, the whole point of yoga is to do what you
> think
> > is
> > > right
> > > > > > for you, plus Iyengar is
> > > > > > > just one system, anyway, so I'm not arguing with you,
> > Victor!
> > > I
> > > > > > think we can at least agree
> > > > > > > that blankets are a good path of caution. I know that
I'd
> > > have a
> > > > > > much better neck today
> > > > > > > (and a vertebra less reminscent of a squashed kiwi
fruit)
> > if I
> > > > > > hadn't done a few years of
> > > > > > > blanketless shoulderstand and halasana practice. I
wasnt'
> > > then (and
> > > > > > still am not today,
> > > > > > > decades later) able to get c6/c7 off the ground through
> > sheer
> > > > > > physical control.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, victor yj
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > While the blankets are certainly helpful (and not at
> all
> > > mentioned
> > > > > > in "Light On Yoga") I do
> > > > > > > not find them as necessary in Halasana as in the
> > > shoulderstand. I
> > > > > > would certainly fold up a
> > > > > > > blanket or two to put under the shoulders in Halasana
if
> > for
> > > no
> > > > > > other reason than to
> > > > > > > prevent the occiput from taking too much pressure on
the
> > > floor but I
> > > > > > also see a trend
> > > > > > > towards too much reliance on lots of blankets. Iyengar
> > > developed
> > > > > > this blanket usage for
> > > > > > > people with stiff necks and then decided that it would
be
> > > safer for
> > > > > > everyone. I still
> > > > > > > recommend it especially in shoulderstand but you need
> less
> > in
> > > plough
> > > > > > as the weigh is also
> > > > > > > distributed through the feet rather than in a line
> directly
> > > over the
> > > > > > neck.
> > > > > > > > This use of the blankets should be folded flat and
> > stacked
> > > with
> > > > > > two or three blankets
> > > > > > > stacked and placed on the floor. the head lies off of
the
> > > vblankets
> > > > > > on the floor while the
> > > > > > > arms and shoulders are supported by the blankets. One
> should
> > > > > > experiment with how many
> > > > > > > blankets rtanging from 1 to 4 depending on your length
of
> > > neck, size
> > > > > > of blankets, stiffness
> > > > > > > etc. Don't worry about beineg beginner or advanced with
> > this,
> > > use
> > > > > > what feels the most
> > > > > > > comfortable, supportive and encourages the lift in the
> neck
> > > that I
> > > > > > talked about.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > jim_and_his_karma wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Greg, I'd very strongly recommend this book:
> > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/
> > > > > > > > detail/-/0679722874 if you have no choice but to work
> > from
> > > books.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There are great Iyengar school teachers in SF. Ping
> again
> > > if you
> > > > > > need reccos.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hello Victor,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes, indeed. It helps very much. Thank you. I look
> > > forward to
> > > > > > > > > making the adjustments for this morning's practice.
> > > Given that
> > > > > > > > > explanation, I can see now how proper instruction
is
> > > considered so
> > > > > > > > > necessary. Right now, where I live, that's not an
> > > option, but soon
> > > > > > > > > (hopefully) I'll be moving down to the Bay Area
(CA)
> > and
> > > will most
> > > > > > > > > assuredly be getting proper instruction at that
time.
> > > Until
> > > > > > then, the
> > > > > > > > > book and this forum are my only resources.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Greg M.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, victor yj
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What you want is to roll the shoulders towards
the
> the
> > > > > > > > > shoulderblades so that the bodyweight is balanced
as
> > much
> > > as
> > > > > > possible
> > > > > > > > > on the shoulders and not on the neck. the feeling
> > should
> > > be that the
> > > > > > > > > neck is somewhat lifted from the floor by the
> roatation
> > > of the
> > > > > > > > > shoulders. The sequence for hand placement in
> halasana
> > is
> > > first to
> > > > > > > > > hold the back as in shoulderstand. In some months
as
> > this
> > > > > > becomes easy
> > > > > > > > > then take the arms over the ehad on the floor
towards
> > the
> > > feet. Then
> > > > > > > > > when this becomes easy one take the hands and arms
in
> > the
> > > opposite
> > > > > > > > > direction from the feet but not interlocking. The
> final
> > > grasp of the
> > > > > > > > > hands is the icing on the cake. It should go along
> with
> > > the lift of
> > > > > > > > > the neck from the floor and the weight on the
> > shoulders.
> > > There
> > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > feel no pressure on the 7th cervical vertebrae and
> the
> > > neck should
> > > > > > > > > retain as much of its natural curve as possible
> rather
> > > than being
> > > > > > > > > flattened on the floor or lengthening. Do not try
to
> > > lengthen
> > > > > > the neck
> > > > > > > > > but feel that the neck is light with minimal
stretch
> to
> > > > > > > > > > the back of the neck. stretch should be at the
> throat
> > > with
> > > > > > the chin
> > > > > > > > > untucking and soft as the chest moves towards the
> chin.
> > > > > > > > > > Does that help?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Greg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I thank you for your concern, but I consider
myself
> > to
> > > have a very
> > > > > > > > > > good sense of bodily awareness developed through
> > years
> > > of
> > > > > > training in
> > > > > > > > > > other disciplines. Given the nature of yoga, I
find
> > my
> > > level of
> > > > > > > > > > consciousness heightened even more as I do the
> > > exercises. :)
> > > > > > What
> > > > > > > > > > then is the best way to increase the requisite
> > > flexibility in
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > area?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Greg M
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, victor yj
> > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Don't worry about the interlock, just keep the
> > hands
> > > loose
> > > > > > or hold
> > > > > > > > > > tghe back with them at first. Halasana takes time
> and
> > > to try
> > > > > > to push
> > > > > > > > > > too far too fast will do more harm than good.
Just
> > take
> > > it
> > > > > > slow and go
> > > > > > > > > > with the breath and the feeling. This pose and
> > > shoulderstand
> > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > really be taught by a good teacher though rather
> than
> > > from a
> > > > > > book as
> > > > > > > > > > the neck is very delicate and you don't want to
> > injure
> > > your neck.
> > > > > > > > > > Trust me on that.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Greg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I just recently started doing Hatha yoga and am
> > > following the
> > > > > > > > > > > beginner's regimen as outlined in BKS
> > > Iyengar's "Light on
> > > > > > Yoga". The
> > > > > > > > > > > second to final asana in the first two week
> course
> > is
> > > called
> > > > > > > > > > > Halasana (Pgs 216-220 if you have the book).
I'm
> > > having
> > > > > > trouble with
> > > > > > > > > > > interlocking my hands and most especially with
> > > turning them
> > > > > > over.
> > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have a tip or two that will help
with
> > > this? I'm
> > > > > > uncertain
> > > > > > > > > > > if it's a matter of simple flexibility or if
it's
> > > more the
> > > > > > case of
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