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591 From: victor yj <vic@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Apr 5, 2005 2:10am
Subject: Re: Re: What do you eat? -- Any problems with Spices, Garlic, Mushrooms? vic
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I tend to like variety in my diet and have no restrictions as such. I do however avoid eating garlic and also uncooked onions. These two foods in particular seem to bother me and even a little garlic in a food can make it very unnapetizing to me. I can't really explain why but anyone that is close to me knows that I hate eating garlic. Perhaps Yogis and vampires have something in common ;)
I do however have no such problem with mushrooms which I love and eat at every possible opportunity. I have always taken issue with those who have called mushrooms "tamasic" and I have heard mushrooms described as having a "low conciousness" which I would dispute as would anyone who has experimented with the magical and sacred mushrooms that while not tasting very good can indeed help ones conciousness expand to a new dimention.
nearoanoke <nearoanoke@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi David & RC and others,
Thanks for your responses. I dont feel food can make big of a
difference otherwise yogani would have surely mentioned it in AYP.
Lighter food is better can be the guideline to go by.
Love,
Near
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...>
wrote:
>
>
> > Source: From a lecture by Dr. Robert C Beck, DSc, given at the
> Whole
> > Life Expo, Seattle, WA, USA, in March 1996, Nexus Magazine.
> >
>
> Thankyou for your response. That lecture seems to be more alarmism
> than quality science.
>
> Rather than make such off-hand claims, I'll delve into it a
> little. I'll notice for example the following:
>
> The reason garlic is so toxic, the sulphone hydroxyl ion
penetrates
> > the blood-brain barrier, just like DMSO, and is a specific poison
> for
> > higher-life forms and brain cells.
>
> This seems nasty, but what psychoactive substance does not cross
> the blood-brain barrier? Don't substances in your chamomile or
mint
> tea do the same, making you sleepy or perking you up?
>
> The claim that it contains a substance that is a poison is dramatic
> but vague unfortunately. It's one of those things that can seem
> right, but says something wrong. So many (probably nearly all)
> plant substances that have therapeutic properties are 'toxins' if
> you look at them from another angle. A lot depends on dose.
>
> > We'd have people come back from lunch that looked clinically dead
> on
> > an encephalograph, which we used to calibrate their
> progress. "Well,
> > what happened?" "Well, I went to an Italian restaurant and there
> was
> > some garlic in my salad dressing!"
>
> The writer provides two anecdotes and airs a claim that
> garlic 'doubles or triples' your reaction time, which would put
> garlic-users in the category of drunken drivers. That does not fly.
>
>
> > Well, we didn't know why for 20 years later, until I owned the
> Alpha-
> > Metrics Corporation. We were building biofeed-back equipment and
> > found out that garlic usually desynchronises your brain waves.
> > So I funded a study at Stanford and, sure enough, they found that
> > it's a poison.
>
> Now, there's where the poor quality of the research shows through
> most clearly. After a strong claim that garlic doubles or triples
> your reaction time, it should be very easy to prove this in a
> laboratory and make a publication splash with it. One might think
> that is what they would have sought to bring out in the Stanford
> study. What does the Stanford study produce? The claim that,
sure
> enough, it is a poison. Which means nothing, for the reasons I
> said.
>
>
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "zarembadavid" <rudra@g...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Garlic - Toxic Shock !
> >
> >
> > Stop taking garlic. It kills tens of thousands of brain cells and
> de-
> > synchronises the left and right brains waves.
> >
> > The reason garlic is so toxic, the sulphone hydroxyl ion
> penetrates
> > the blood-brain barrier, just like DMSO, and is a specific poison
> for
> > higher-life forms and brain cells. We discovered this, much to
our
> > horror, when I (Bob Beck, DSc) was the world's largest
> manufacturer
> > of ethical EEG feedback equipment.
> > We'd have people come back from lunch that looked clinically dead
> on
> > an encephalograph, which we used to calibrate their
> progress. "Well,
> > what happened?" "Well, I went to an Italian restaurant and there
> was
> > some garlic in my salad dressing!" So we had them sign things
that
> > they wouldn't touch garlic before classes or we were wasting
their
> > time, their money and my time.
> >
> > I guess some of you who are pilots or have been in flight
> tests...I
> > was in flight test engineering in Doc Hallan's group in the
> 1950's.
> > The flight surgeon would come around every month and remind all
of
> > us: "Don't you dare touch any garlic 72 hours before you fly one
> of
> > our airplanes, because it'll double or triple your reaction time.
> > You're three times slower than you would be if you'd not had a
few
> > drops of garlic."
> >
> > Well, we didn't know why for 20 years later, until I owned the
> Alpha-
> > Metrics Corporation. We were building biofeed-back equipment and
> > found out that garlic usually desynchronises your brain waves.
> > So I funded a study at Stanford and, sure enough, they found that
> > it's a poison. You can rub a clove of garlic on your foot - and
> you
> > can smell it shortly later on your wrists. So it penetrates the
> body.
> > This is why DMSO smells a lot like garlic: that sulphone hydroxyl
> ion
> > penetrates all the barriers including the corpus callosum in the
> > brain.
> > Any of you who are organic gardeners know that if you don't want
> to
> > use DDT, garlic will kill anything in the way of insects.
> > Now, most people have heard most of their lives garlic is good
for
> > you, and we put those people in the same class of ignorance as
the
> > mothers who at the turn of the century would buy morphine
sulphate
> in
> > the drugstore and give it to their babies to put them to sleep.
> > If you have any patients who have low-grade headaches or
attention
> > deficit disorder, they can't quite focus on the computer in the
> after-
> > noon, just do an experiment - you owe it to yourselves. Take
these
> > people off garlic and see how much better they get, very very
> > shortly. And then let them eat a little garlic after about three
> > weeks. They'll say "My God, I had no idea that this was the cause
> of
> > our problems." And this includes the de-skunked garlics, Kyolic,
> some
> > of the other products.
> > Very unpopular, but I've got to tell you the truth.
> >
> > Source: From a lecture by Dr. Robert C Beck, DSc, given at the
> Whole
> > Life Expo, Seattle, WA, USA, in March 1996, Nexus Magazine.
> >
> >
> > http://pwsa.org/sp_garlic.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "azaz932001"
> > <richardchamberlin14@h...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi
> > > I haven't had any problems with specific foods at all. I have
> > > noticed that my meditation is better the less I eat, so I
> suppose
> > the
> > > eat lightly advice works well for me.
> > >
> > > Blessings R.C.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > P.S.
> > > >
> > > > If any other people have found from experience that spices,
> > > garlic,
> > > > onions or mushrooms are detrimental to their yoga, I would
be
> > very
> > > > interested in hearing about their experience. Not just that
> guru
> > > so-
> > > > and-so said it please :) But real experience, if possible
> not
> > > > stimulated by prejudice.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, please discount digestive problems due to excess
> > etc.
> > > > I'm talking about reasonable, balanced consumption of above
> > > > substances.
> > > >
> > > > It would be interesting to see for how many or for what
> fraction
> > of
> > > > people this is true.....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999"
> > <obsidian9999@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Near,
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been an avid yoga practicioner for about twenty years
> > > > (possibly
> > > > > more if you count the spontaneous yoga of my first four
> years
> > of
> > > > life!)
> > > > > and while I have learned tremendous respect for the yoga
> > > > tradition, I
> > > > > have learned to be skeptical at times because I think it is
> not
> > > > always
> > > > > right in its broad proscriptions or prescriptions. I think
> it
> > is
> > > > like
> > > > > Western Medicine in that way, or any body of knowledge.
> > > > >
> > > > > One particular thing is that because of Bio-individuality,
> the
> > > > nature
> > > > > and extent of different peoples reactions to things is
> > > different,
> > > > and
> > > > > even for a particular person, it can vary over time.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have found no negative effect on my meditation from spicy
> > > foods.
> > > > > Neither have I found a negative effect from the much
> maligned
> > > > garlic,
> > > > > onions and mushrooms.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some people do report a downward pull to the senses from
> garlic
> > > in
> > > > > particular, but it is often experienced as positive and
> > > grounding
> > > > > rather than tamasic. I can't say I noticed much from
> garlic,
> > > but
> > > > I am
> > > > > extraordinalarily sensitive to certain other herbs.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't present these ideas to you in a trivial or offhand
> > > manner.
> > > > In
> > > > > fact, as a very young boy, I had an extreme prejudice
> against
> > > > > garlic, onions and mushrooms; asking me to eat them was
> like
> > > > asking
> > > > > me to eat slugs! I thought they were dirty and nasty, as
> if
> > I
> > > > was
> > > > > carrying over a prejudice from a past life as a yogi. But
> time
> > > and
> > > > > experience has taught me that if they are negative in any
> way
> > for
> > > > me,
> > > > > I cannot detect it.
> > > > >
> > > > > In fact I have found a very strong benefit from certain
> > > mushrooms,
> > > > > such as Reishi. By the way, I found Reishi particularly
> > > > interesting
> > > > > because, while it invigorates, it seemed to do it in a
way
> > > which
> > > > did
> > > > > not diminish my mediation to any extent, and may even have
> > > > empowered
> > > > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > > So what do yo think, Near?
> > > > >
> > > > > -David
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "nearoanoke"
> <nearoanoke@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Being from southern part of india, I eat lot of spicy
> food. I
> > > > guess
> > > > > > that can be detrimental to my practices. What is your
> typical
> > > > diet,
> > > > > can
> > > > > > you please post your diets here. AYP suggests light and
> > > > nutritious.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Near
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593 From: Ashwin Sun <ashwinjlsun@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Apr 5, 2005 9:48am
Subject: Re: Re: What do you eat? -- Tamas? ! ashwinjlsun
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One thing to remember about Sattwa, Rajas, and Tamas
is that we NEED ALL of them. We can't go without
Tamas. Without it we wouldn't sleep, have groundedness
in life, and would wander aimlessly without the
ability to think clearly. So the label of onions,
garlic, and mushrooms being Tamasic, isn't a judgement
of them, but a simply property of their nature. They
cause blood flow to increase to the lower chakras, or
more tamasic areas of our body. This is useful in
grounding us, enlivening us for our worldly duties and
for interest in sex. Sometimes too much
meditation/contemplation can leave most of the energy
in the higher brain centers, and then our wife/husband
wants to be sexual with us, but we have no desire, for
our attention is on another plane. This is where the
'usefulness' of tamas, and its food representative
could come in handy, and help us to be willing to
fulfill our partners wish and desire...
We need not avoid Tamasic foods, unless we as
individuals are all ready TOO dull or lack motivation.
Otherwise they will ground us, not turn us into evil
people...hehe :) The three Gunas are a tool!, not a
rule...! We need to experiment for what is right for
each of our unique constitutions and characters...we
shouldn't let fear or judgement make our choices for
us.
FYI
--- victor yj <vic@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I tend to like variety in my diet and have no
> restrictions as such. I do however avoid eating
> garlic and also uncooked onions. These two foods in
> particular seem to bother me and even a little
> garlic in a food can make it very unnapetizing to
> me. I can't really explain why but anyone that is
> close to me knows that I hate eating garlic. Perhaps
> Yogis and vampires have something in common ;)
> I do however have no such problem with mushrooms
> which I love and eat at every possible opportunity.
> I have always taken issue with those who have called
> mushrooms "tamasic" and I have heard mushrooms
> described as having a "low conciousness" which I
> would dispute as would anyone who has experimented
> with the magical and sacred mushrooms that while not
> tasting very good can indeed help ones conciousness
> expand to a new dimention.
>
> nearoanoke <nearoanoke@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi David & RC and others,
>
> Thanks for your responses. I dont feel food can make
> big of a
> difference otherwise yogani would have surely
> mentioned it in AYP.
>
> Lighter food is better can be the guideline to go
> by.
>
> Love,
> Near
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999"
> <obsidian9999@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Source: From a lecture by Dr. Robert C Beck,
> DSc, given at the
> > Whole
> > > Life Expo, Seattle, WA, USA, in March 1996,
> Nexus Magazine.
> > >
> >
> > Thankyou for your response. That lecture seems to
> be more alarmism
> > than quality science.
> >
> > Rather than make such off-hand claims, I'll delve
> into it a
> > little. I'll notice for example the following:
> >
> > The reason garlic is so toxic, the sulphone
> hydroxyl ion
> penetrates
> > > the blood-brain barrier, just like DMSO, and is
> a specific poison
> > for
> > > higher-life forms and brain cells.
> >
> > This seems nasty, but what psychoactive substance
> does not cross
> > the blood-brain barrier? Don't substances in your
> chamomile or
> mint
> > tea do the same, making you sleepy or perking you
> up?
> >
> > The claim that it contains a substance that is a
> poison is dramatic
> > but vague unfortunately. It's one of those things
> that can seem
> > right, but says something wrong. So many
> (probably nearly all)
> > plant substances that have therapeutic properties
> are 'toxins' if
> > you look at them from another angle. A lot
> depends on dose.
> >
> > > We'd have people come back from lunch that
> looked clinically dead
> > on
> > > an encephalograph, which we used to calibrate
> their
> > progress. "Well,
> > > what happened?" "Well, I went to an Italian
> restaurant and there
> > was
> > > some garlic in my salad dressing!"
> >
> > The writer provides two anecdotes and airs a claim
> that
> > garlic 'doubles or triples' your reaction time,
> which would put
> > garlic-users in the category of drunken drivers.
> That does not fly.
> >
> >
> > > Well, we didn't know why for 20 years later,
> until I owned the
> > Alpha-
> > > Metrics Corporation. We were building
> biofeed-back equipment and
> > > found out that garlic usually desynchronises
> your brain waves.
> > > So I funded a study at Stanford and, sure
> enough, they found that
> > > it's a poison.
> >
> > Now, there's where the poor quality of the
> research shows through
> > most clearly. After a strong claim that garlic
> doubles or triples
> > your reaction time, it should be very easy to
> prove this in a
> > laboratory and make a publication splash with it.
> One might think
> > that is what they would have sought to bring out
> in the Stanford
> > study. What does the Stanford study produce? The
> claim that,
> sure
> > enough, it is a poison. Which means nothing,
> for the reasons I
> > said.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "zarembadavid"
> <rudra@g...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Garlic - Toxic Shock !
> > >
> > >
> > > Stop taking garlic. It kills tens of thousands
> of brain cells and
> > de-
> > > synchronises the left and right brains waves.
> > >
> > > The reason garlic is so toxic, the sulphone
> hydroxyl ion
> > penetrates
> > > the blood-brain barrier, just like DMSO, and is
> a specific poison
> > for
> > > higher-life forms and brain cells. We discovered
> this, much to
> our
> > > horror, when I (Bob Beck, DSc) was the world's
> largest
> > manufacturer
> > > of ethical EEG feedback equipment.
> > > We'd have people come back from lunch that
> looked clinically dead
> > on
> > > an encephalograph, which we used to calibrate
> their
> > progress. "Well,
> > > what happened?" "Well, I went to an Italian
> restaurant and there
> > was
> > > some garlic in my salad dressing!" So we had
> them sign things
> that
> > > they wouldn't touch garlic before classes or we
> were wasting
> their
> > > time, their money and my time.
> > >
> > > I guess some of you who are pilots or have been
> in flight
> > tests...I
> > > was in flight test engineering in Doc Hallan's
> group in the
> > 1950's.
> > > The flight surgeon would come around every month
> and remind all
> of
> > > us: "Don't you dare touch any garlic 72 hours
> before you fly one
> > of
> > > our airplanes, because it'll double or triple
> your reaction time.
> > > You're three times slower than you would be if
> you'd not had a
> few
> > > drops of garlic."
> > >
> > > Well, we didn't know why for 20 years later,
> until I owned the
> > Alpha-
> > > Metrics Corporation. We were building
> biofeed-back equipment and
> > > found out that garlic usually desynchronises
> your brain waves.
>
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592 From: Graeme Lloyd <graeme_lloyd@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Tue Apr 5, 2005 7:59am
Subject: Re: Re: What do you eat? -- Any problems with Spices, Garlic, Mushrooms? graeme_lloyd
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Shalom Dear All,
Slightly off topic but still relevant I feel seeing how much milk is praised in Hinduism.
During Lent, I fasted during the day and abstained completely Mon - Fri from any milk products (I am already a vegetarian). Anyway, this was the real first fast I've done and on a Saturday evening, I would eat a 'treat meal', which included milk products of some sort.
To cut a long story short, I found that after every meal, whether it be pasta bake, pizza or Mother's cauliflower cheese, I experienced an outright rejection by my body within half an hour! After the third Saturday, I'd learnt my lesson and no longer eat cheese.
One other thing I did was quit drinking milk because I discovered it made me wheeze more after consuming it and after 25 years of using inhalers, costing hundreds of pounds in subscription fees, countless wheezing nights and many missed P.E. lessons, all I needed to do was quit milk. I have gone from using my inhalers 3 - 4 times a day to not once in a month.
So, here's another big plus point in fasting. I can only conclude that laying off food for a while gives one a chance to have a good clear out and moreover, sensitises the body again enough to give warning signs to the consumer!
How does one reconcile this with the Hindu's love of the bovine nectar? Well, perhaps one of the reasons is that the cow is revered in India, therefore no bad hormones secreted due to to mistreatment, no poor dietry practices for the cow and no drugs injected. It was interesting to read from Dr. Gabriel Cousens that Yogis travelling to the West are relucatant to drink milk. But of you read the mails from Bob Cohen www.notmilk.com, you'd think milk was bad for you anyway.
Anybody else has similar experiences?
Namaste,
Graeme
obsidian9999 <obsidian9999@yahoo.com> wrote:
P.S.
If any other people have found from experience that spices, garlic,
onions or mushrooms are detrimental to their yoga, I would be very
interested in hearing about their experience. Not just that guru so-
and-so said it please :) But real experience, if possible not
stimulated by prejudice.
Of course, please discount digestive problems due to excess etc.
I'm talking about reasonable, balanced consumption of above
substances.
It would be interesting to see for how many or for what fraction of
people this is true.....
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello Near,
>
> I've been an avid yoga practicioner for about twenty years
(possibly
> more if you count the spontaneous yoga of my first four years of
life!)
> and while I have learned tremendous respect for the yoga
tradition, I
> have learned to be skeptical at times because I think it is not
always
> right in its broad proscriptions or prescriptions. I think it is
like
> Western Medicine in that way, or any body of knowledge.
>
> One particular thing is that because of Bio-individuality, the
nature
> and extent of different peoples reactions to things is different,
and
> even for a particular person, it can vary over time.
>
> I have found no negative effect on my meditation from spicy foods.
> Neither have I found a negative effect from the much maligned
garlic,
> onions and mushrooms.
>
> Some people do report a downward pull to the senses from garlic in
> particular, but it is often experienced as positive and grounding
> rather than tamasic. I can't say I noticed much from garlic, but
I am
> extraordinalarily sensitive to certain other herbs.
>
> I don't present these ideas to you in a trivial or offhand manner.
In
> fact, as a very young boy, I had an extreme prejudice against
> garlic, onions and mushrooms; asking me to eat them was like
asking
> me to eat slugs! I thought they were dirty and nasty, as if I
was
> carrying over a prejudice from a past life as a yogi. But time and
> experience has taught me that if they are negative in any way for
me,
> I cannot detect it.
>
> In fact I have found a very strong benefit from certain mushrooms,
> such as Reishi. By the way, I found Reishi particularly
interesting
> because, while it invigorates, it seemed to do it in a way which
did
> not diminish my mediation to any extent, and may even have
empowered
> it.
>
> So what do yo think, Near?
>
> -David
>
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "nearoanoke" <nearoanoke@y...>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Being from southern part of india, I eat lot of spicy food. I
guess
> > that can be detrimental to my practices. What is your typical
diet,
> can
> > you please post your diets here. AYP suggests light and
nutritious.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Near
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594 From: Ashwin Sun <ashwinjlsun@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Apr 5, 2005 9:40am
Subject: Re: Re: What do you eat? -- MILK ashwinjlsun
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Dear Graeme,
There is one HUGE difference between the Hindu milk of
days gone by, and Western milk of today. Firstly, from
the Ayurvedic perspective, milk was used fresh from
the cow, without being pastuerized OR homogenized. And
in Ayurveda milk is considered a nectar, were as cold
milk a poison...
There is only one company I have found that produces
organic milk that isn't homoginized, and that is
Strauss dairy out of California. It is much better,
and better for us.
So the 'nature' of milk's real power has been crippled
by the processing factor, not to mention that Hindu
cows are of a different type of cow than dairy cows in
america...
FYI
--- Graeme Lloyd <graeme_lloyd@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Shalom Dear All,
>
> Slightly off topic but still relevant I feel seeing
> how much milk is praised in Hinduism.
>
> During Lent, I fasted during the day and abstained
> completely Mon - Fri from any milk products (I am
> already a vegetarian). Anyway, this was the real
> first fast I've done and on a Saturday evening, I
> would eat a 'treat meal', which included milk
> products of some sort.
>
> To cut a long story short, I found that after every
> meal, whether it be pasta bake, pizza or Mother's
> cauliflower cheese, I experienced an outright
> rejection by my body within half an hour! After the
> third Saturday, I'd learnt my lesson and no longer
> eat cheese.
>
> One other thing I did was quit drinking milk because
> I discovered it made me wheeze more after consuming
> it and after 25 years of using inhalers, costing
> hundreds of pounds in subscription fees, countless
> wheezing nights and many missed P.E. lessons, all I
> needed to do was quit milk. I have gone from using
> my inhalers 3 - 4 times a day to not once in a
> month.
>
> So, here's another big plus point in fasting. I can
> only conclude that laying off food for a while gives
> one a chance to have a good clear out and moreover,
> sensitises the body again enough to give warning
> signs to the consumer!
>
> How does one reconcile this with the Hindu's love of
> the bovine nectar? Well, perhaps one of the reasons
> is that the cow is revered in India, therefore no
> bad hormones secreted due to to mistreatment, no
> poor dietry practices for the cow and no drugs
> injected. It was interesting to read from Dr.
> Gabriel Cousens that Yogis travelling to the West
> are relucatant to drink milk. But of you read the
> mails from Bob Cohen www.notmilk.com, you'd think
> milk was bad for you anyway.
>
> Anybody else has similar experiences?
>
> Namaste,
> Graeme
>
> obsidian9999 <obsidian9999@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> P.S.
>
> If any other people have found from experience that
> spices, garlic,
> onions or mushrooms are detrimental to their yoga,
> I would be very
> interested in hearing about their experience. Not
> just that guru so-
> and-so said it please :) But real experience, if
> possible not
> stimulated by prejudice.
>
> Of course, please discount digestive problems due
> to excess etc.
> I'm talking about reasonable, balanced consumption
> of above
> substances.
>
> It would be interesting to see for how many or for
> what fraction of
> people this is true.....
>
>
>
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999"
> <obsidian9999@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello Near,
> >
> > I've been an avid yoga practicioner for about
> twenty years
> (possibly
> > more if you count the spontaneous yoga of my first
> four years of
> life!)
> > and while I have learned tremendous respect for
> the yoga
> tradition, I
> > have learned to be skeptical at times because I
> think it is not
> always
> > right in its broad proscriptions or prescriptions.
> I think it is
> like
> > Western Medicine in that way, or any body of
> knowledge.
> >
> > One particular thing is that because of
> Bio-individuality, the
> nature
> > and extent of different peoples reactions to
> things is different,
> and
> > even for a particular person, it can vary over
> time.
> >
> > I have found no negative effect on my meditation
> from spicy foods.
> > Neither have I found a negative effect from the
> much maligned
> garlic,
> > onions and mushrooms.
> >
> > Some people do report a downward pull to the
> senses from garlic in
> > particular, but it is often experienced as
> positive and grounding
> > rather than tamasic. I can't say I noticed much
> from garlic, but
> I am
> > extraordinalarily sensitive to certain other
> herbs.
> >
> > I don't present these ideas to you in a trivial or
> offhand manner.
> In
> > fact, as a very young boy, I had an extreme
> prejudice against
> > garlic, onions and mushrooms; asking me to eat
> them was like
> asking
> > me to eat slugs! I thought they were dirty and
> nasty, as if I
> was
> > carrying over a prejudice from a past life as a
> yogi. But time and
> > experience has taught me that if they are negative
> in any way for
> me,
> > I cannot detect it.
> >
> > In fact I have found a very strong benefit from
> certain mushrooms,
> > such as Reishi. By the way, I found Reishi
> particularly
> interesting
> > because, while it invigorates, it seemed to do
> it in a way which
> did
> > not diminish my mediation to any extent, and may
> even have
> empowered
> > it.
> >
> > So what do yo think, Near?
> >
> > -David
> >
> >
> > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "nearoanoke"
> <nearoanoke@y...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Being from southern part of india, I eat lot of
> spicy food. I
> guess
> > > that can be detrimental to my practices. What is
> your typical
> diet,
> > can
> > > you please post your diets here. AYP suggests
> light and
> nutritious.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Near
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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596 From: victor yj <vic@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Apr 5, 2005 0:38pm
Subject: Re: Re: What do you eat? -- Any problems with Spices, Garlic, Mushrooms? vic
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Some people are able to digest milk, others can't. I would try to avoid making a food "bad" just because your body doen't deal with it well.
Graeme Lloyd <graeme_lloyd@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Shalom Dear All,
Slightly off topic but still relevant I feel seeing how much milk is praised in Hinduism.
During Lent, I fasted during the day and abstained completely Mon - Fri from any milk products (I am already a vegetarian). Anyway, this was the real first fast I've done and on a Saturday evening, I would eat a 'treat meal', which included milk products of some sort.
To cut a long story short, I found that after every meal, whether it be pasta bake, pizza or Mother's cauliflower cheese, I experienced an outright rejection by my body within half an hour! After the third Saturday, I'd learnt my lesson and no longer eat cheese.
One other thing I did was quit drinking milk because I discovered it made me wheeze more after consuming it and after 25 years of using inhalers, costing hundreds of pounds in subscription fees, countless wheezing nights and many missed P.E. lessons, all I needed to do was quit milk. I have gone from using my inhalers 3 - 4 times a day to not once in a month.
So, here's another big plus point in fasting. I can only conclude that laying off food for a while gives one a chance to have a good clear out and moreover, sensitises the body again enough to give warning signs to the consumer!
How does one reconcile this with the Hindu's love of the bovine nectar? Well, perhaps one of the reasons is that the cow is revered in India, therefore no bad hormones secreted due to to mistreatment, no poor dietry practices for the cow and no drugs injected. It was interesting to read from Dr. Gabriel Cousens that Yogis travelling to the West are relucatant to drink milk. But of you read the mails from Bob Cohen www.notmilk.com, you'd think milk was bad for you anyway.
Anybody else has similar experiences?
Namaste,
Graeme
obsidian9999 <obsidian9999@yahoo.com> wrote:
P.S.
If any other people have found from experience that spices, garlic,
onions or mushrooms are detrimental to their yoga, I would be very
interested in hearing about their experience. Not just that guru so-
and-so said it please :) But real experience, if possible not
stimulated by prejudice.
Of course, please discount digestive problems due to excess etc.
I'm talking about reasonable, balanced consumption of above
substances.
It would be interesting to see for how many or for what fraction of
people this is true.....
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello Near,
>
> I've been an avid yoga practicioner for about twenty years
(possibly
> more if you count the spontaneous yoga of my first four years of
life!)
> and while I have learned tremendous respect for the yoga
tradition, I
> have learned to be skeptical at times because I think it is not
always
> right in its broad proscriptions or prescriptions. I think it is
like
> Western Medicine in that way, or any body of knowledge.
>
> One particular thing is that because of Bio-individuality, the
nature
> and extent of different peoples reactions to things is different,
and
> even for a particular person, it can vary over time.
>
> I have found no negative effect on my meditation from spicy foods.
> Neither have I found a negative effect from the much maligned
garlic,
> onions and mushrooms.
>
> Some people do report a downward pull to the senses from garlic in
> particular, but it is often experienced as positive and grounding
> rather than tamasic. I can't say I noticed much from garlic, but
I am
> extraordinalarily sensitive to certain other herbs.
>
> I don't present these ideas to you in a trivial or offhand manner.
In
> fact, as a very young boy, I had an extreme prejudice against
> garlic, onions and mushrooms; asking me to eat them was like
asking
> me to eat slugs! I thought they were dirty and nasty, as if I
was
> carrying over a prejudice from a past life as a yogi. But time and
> experience has taught me that if they are negative in any way for
me,
> I cannot detect it.
>
> In fact I have found a very strong benefit from certain mushrooms,
> such as Reishi. By the way, I found Reishi particularly
interesting
> because, while it invigorates, it seemed to do it in a way which
did
> not diminish my mediation to any extent, and may even have
empowered
> it.
>
> So what do yo think, Near?
>
> -David
>
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "nearoanoke" <nearoanoke@y...>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Being from southern part of india, I eat lot of spicy food. I
guess
> > that can be detrimental to my practices. What is your typical
diet,
> can
> > you please post your diets here. AYP suggests light and
nutritious.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Near
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604 From: jeff hartman <climbzen@iximd.com>
Date: Wed Apr 6, 2005 0:39am
Subject: Re: Re: What do you eat? -- Any problems with Spices, Garlic, Mushrooms? climbzen@iximd.com
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victor yj wrote:
>
> Some people are able to digest milk, others can't. I would try to avoid making a food "bad" just because your body doen't deal with it well.
hey there,
just to throw a spin on this, what of the karma accociatied with
eating dairy, not to mention other animal products? i would believe that
condoning torture, rape, and murder, even of another species builds lots
of negative karma.
peace
jeff
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