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Yogaman
USA
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 Posted - Apr 11 2013 : 02:35:14 AM
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You may want to check out http://yourbrainrebalanced.com, there are forums there specifically for guys trying to do what you're working towards. I've read up quite a bit on YBOP.com since discovering it randomly via Twitter. To help clear up some misconceptions in this thread:
- masturbation isn't the real issue, it's excessive porn. Particularly the instant, overwhelming availability of it via the Internet.
- unfortunately a lot of guys experience ED for real partners, but not for porn. The theory is that they have "re-wired" the reward systems of the brain to overload levels of dopamine release that is linked to porn. Real partners can't compete. It leads to a general lowering of pleasure for normally pleasurable activities, and can lead to depression and social withdrawal.
- the idea here is that this is an addiction as real as a cocaine addiction. Hijacked dopamine release, linked in the brain to needing more and more stimulation (new, different, more).
- the goal is to remove the porn from the equation, but for those "hooked", masturbation without porn isn't possible. The brain also needs about 60 days before the chemicals that keep you hooked leave the system. Most guys who report success suggest abstaining from masturbation, but also any form of "edging" and even sex. At least for the 60-90 days. The success stories are very positive for the most part.
- most success stories involve meditation, so a lot of the guys take up the practice.
I'd highly recommend reading the YBOP.com site for lots more in-depth info. It's fascinating, and applies to more than just porn. Facebook, the Internet in general and video games all can cause this hijacking of the dopamine system.
As Jack mentioned, he does have ED, but he suspects its PIED ( porn-induced ED). The 90 days of abstaining are a way to allow the body to rebalance to normal operating conditions, and eliminating masturbation during that time has been reported to help significantly. |
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Holy
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Posted - Apr 11 2013 : 1:45:34 PM
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What worked here for the last 8 years:
- Remaining preorgasmic + the blocking technique.
- Good amounts of SBP twice daily + DM or equivalent.
SBP opens the channels for the sexual transformation to happen faster.
There were some years with 3-4 masturbations at all without any need or wish for more.
For 2-3 years here ejaculation physically is sometimes not even possible anymore. The whole amount of sexual energy just flows into the whole body and just some dry pumping happens. Only if practice amounts go down the road for some time the sexual energies concentrate more and ejaculation can happen (where the blocking technique works again =P)
Sex with a partner is a little different, her energies are more wild, the mixture is more chaotic and uncontrolled, so dry ejaculation or instant transformation of the huge amounts of sexual energies does not happen like without a partner. But there is also the same tendency of endless durability if you so want.
Therefor the hint in the first post was, add SBP to DM and continue the practices! :)
Transform the semen friends,
the result is joy radiance.
The primary force in this transformation is the spiritual practice done daily, while holding back and blocking and co are just practical hints for the beginning years of practice.
Surely just watching porn and blocking the semen-outflow will not help in this process if no practices are done at other times in the day. Practicing SBP+DM twice daily and loosing semen will still transform earlier or later into ecstatic bliss radiance with the automatic transformation of the sexual energies even without the hold-back-method or blocking method. After some years to decades this new internal functioning will just be.
Regarding masturbation and behaviours related to it as an addiction is the only problem. It is natural, the body has this tendency. There is no solution in thinking or behaving, just change this tendendy of sexual flow into new pathways within the bodymind (SBP) and offer it to stilness again and again (DM and Co.) and all is good.
An insightful partner would be nice, not all of us have the luck, so some partners want your semen without any good for her or him. For some time this may go ok for the male, but the inner call may change this situation sooner or later. Latest when no semen comes out anymore, no woman can argue :D Except for babytime, then the godly grace may grant some godly drops :P
Happy practicing and enjoy :) |
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Jack
United Kingdom
305 Posts |
Posted - Apr 11 2013 : 8:48:15 PM
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Everyone, thank you for questions.
Yogaman, thank you for explaining what I cannot explain so fluently to the others members here. Yes, I have an account on YBR and post there regularly.
Holy - I appreciate your contribution and find it inspiring me towards regular AYP practice. I just have to question whether your methods helped you in overcoming porn-related erectile dysfunction, which seems to require a specific approach to overcome?
EMC - Yes there are other issues as well.. anxiety/fear around intimacy.. emotional healing needed.. etc.
Peace all 
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Yogaman
USA
295 Posts |
Posted - Apr 11 2013 : 11:17:49 PM
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| @Jack: glad to help. Good luck! Wish I had something more to offer. |
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Jack
United Kingdom
305 Posts |
Posted - Apr 12 2013 : 10:14:02 AM
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I decided to sit for longer than usual today - 5 minutes Spinal Breathing Pranayama, 15 minutes Deep Meditation.
Interesting to note were the orgasmic sensations that came up half-way through the DM - accompanied by rapid abdominal breathing/panting, orgasmic groans and the like - but no external erection/ejaculation.. it felt like the sexual energy was finding other forms of expression.. NICE.! lol.
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Wafu
United Kingdom
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Posted - Apr 18 2013 : 5:03:43 PM
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Sounds good Jack
Since I began to abstain from all forms of sexual activity earlier at the start of this month, I have experienced some good progress in the results of my practices (SBP,yoni mudra, DM and samyama).
Sexual sensations also seem reduced in practices. Previously I would experience these quite a bit. I have felt more ease and joy in life also, and a stronger connection to fellow beings. Things are good
Thanks for sharing your experience holy. Keep the transformation going  |
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Jack
United Kingdom
305 Posts |
Posted - Apr 19 2013 : 2:03:20 PM
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Still watching porn and masturbating.. just occasionally.. and quick sessions..
I am tired of this addiction.
I have been working night-shifts as well, I am an insomniac in recent days, which set it all off... lying in bed unable to sleep for five hours can lead to the mind wandering.
Tired.. |
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Will Power
Spain
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Posted - Apr 19 2013 : 3:13:17 PM
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To sleep well: think in the body:
100
deeper
99
deeper
98
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if you reach 0, then restart.
Also Maha Mudra helps me to sleep.
If you are in a deep hole, be glad: Now you know the path of your ascent, and the time is now.
Use k9 settings in all your devices to block porn and someone to set a password or set it yourself randomly without looking if you are willing to allow yourself to be free.
This is one of the most epic encouraging scenes of all times for me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZmvQ5Qc9Rs
Rise again!
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ak33
Canada
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Posted - Apr 19 2013 : 4:12:03 PM
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| I know how you feel man, Id go at it 3, sometimes even 4or 5 times every single day. I stopped watching porn but I was still addicted to masturbation, that being the orgasm. I'd say just stick to it man, I've only masturbated twice in the last 60 days (how healthy this is for an 18 year old boy, I dont know), but with practices the urge is much much less. I'd say even tantric masturbation is fairly dangerous as I used to go too far sometimes :p |
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Yogaman
USA
295 Posts |
Posted - Apr 20 2013 : 02:51:01 AM
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Ak33: there is zero health risk for abstaining of you so choose. At least from the science I've read. The body just breaks it down and reabsorbs it. No buildup dangers.
You show considerable willpower for an 18 year old man, kudos! |
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Jack
United Kingdom
305 Posts |
Posted - Apr 21 2013 : 01:11:19 AM
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These are all encouraging posts, thank you.
Will Power - I will re-write the password, this time randomly generate it, write it down on paper, take it work and place it in my file. That means getting it would involve a 50-minute round trip on my bike, and talking to colleagues to explain *why* I am there at that hour.
This idea came to place after reading your post, so thank you very much.
Good video, don't believe I ever saw Dark Knight Rises, may be worth checking out. |
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Wafu
United Kingdom
76 Posts |
Posted - Apr 21 2013 : 07:18:17 AM
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I will re-write the password, this time randomly generate it, write it down on paper, take it work and place it in my file. That means getting it would involve a 50-minute round trip on my bike, and talking to colleagues to explain *why* I am there at that hour.
This sounds like a good idea to me! I wonder how the addiction will respond to this new challenge. Could be tough.. But it may make all the difference.
All the best my friend!
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Ayamer
Brazil
78 Posts |
Posted - Apr 22 2013 : 3:40:19 PM
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Hello I would like to read the book TANTRA
how can I get this book? |
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Jack
United Kingdom
305 Posts |
Posted - Apr 25 2013 : 05:22:18 AM
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Ayamer - http://www.aypsite.org/books.html#tantra
So I created a random password, set that on my k9 web filters, wrote the password down and left it at work. Also practicing SBP and moola bhanda alongside meditation.. |
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ishmael
Italy
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Posted - Apr 26 2013 : 11:11:10 AM
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Hi everybody,
Sorry to hijack the thread, but my question is very much on topic with Jack's. I am also a 26 year old male who wishes to control his ejaculation, and I thought that posting here would be preferable than opening a new thread.
I currently ejaculate 2-3 times a week. I am not concerned with porn or masturbation addiction (I watch porn and I'm proud! ;). Instead, I have noticed that ejaculating makes me quite tired, sometimes for a full day afterward; even when I don't ejaculate, I end up wasting a lot of time masturbating to porn when I could be doing something more productive.
My objective is to transmute my sexual energy into productivity toward my goals and my purpose instead of dispersing it by masturbating and ejaculating. I also wish to build stamina for bedroom fun.
A couple weeks ago I started with Zen meditation, pelvic floor exercises and spinal breathing. Do you believe it would be helpful if I only ejaculated once a week instead of 2-3 times? Would blocking ejaculation and mulabandha also be helpful? Any other tips?
Thank you!  |
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ak33
Canada
229 Posts |
Posted - Apr 26 2013 : 1:49:10 PM
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Originally posted by ishmael
Hi everybody,
Sorry to hijack the thread, but my question is very much on topic with Jack's. I am also a 26 year old male who wishes to control his ejaculation, and I thought that posting here would be preferable than opening a new thread.
I currently ejaculate 2-3 times a week. I am not concerned with porn or masturbation addiction (I watch porn and I'm proud! ;). Instead, I have noticed that ejaculating makes me quite tired, sometimes for a full day afterward; even when I don't ejaculate, I end up wasting a lot of time masturbating to porn when I could be doing something more productive.
My objective is to transmute my sexual energy into productivity toward my goals and my purpose instead of dispersing it by masturbating and ejaculating. I also wish to build stamina for bedroom fun.
A couple weeks ago I started with Zen meditation, pelvic floor exercises and spinal breathing. Do you believe it would be helpful if I only ejaculated once a week instead of 2-3 times? Would blocking ejaculation and mulabandha also be helpful? Any other tips?
Thank you!
Hi Ishmael,
Yes, I would advise to cut down your masturbation. This is my experience, but I feel holdback and blocking method are risky in terms of going over the edge, as sometimes you go too far. Better to not masturbate at all, the urges die down after few weeks. |
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woosa
United Kingdom
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Posted - Apr 27 2013 : 10:06:47 AM
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Hi Ishmael
Everything in moderation. As you have said you want to preserve and cultivate your sexual energy. So to do so you can either be celibate http://www.aypsite.org/T9.html or use the holdback and blocking which are in the tantra section http://www.aypsite.org/TantraDirectory.html We are all individuals so you will only know for yourself when you are doing too much. Once a week might be right or two weeks, a month.... etc.
Blocking is the 'training wheels' when you have gone too far. It helps because it encourages vajroli. http://www.aypsite.org/T30.html You might as well try it rather than ejaculating the traditional way. You might still feel the effects of blocking; i.e. fatigue etc but they may not be as pronounced. Still, doing too much of that could have a negative effect. You'll only know for yourself.
All the best!
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ishmael
Italy
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Posted - Apr 29 2013 : 08:26:01 AM
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Originally posted by woosa
We are all individuals so you will only know for yourself when you are doing too much. Once a week might be right or two weeks, a month.... etc.
Thank you woosa and ak33. I just have a few more questions, if you'll be kind enough to answer, and then I'll stop hijacking this thread.
How will I know when I'm doing too much? Will I experience a drop in energy, or will the sexual energy become "too much" for me to recycle it, to the point where sexual thoughts start distracting me too much?
Also, should I try to gradually stretch the periods longer and longer? I last ejaculated 8 days ago and I'm feeling more confident and more focused (I believe it's thanks to spinal breathing). I don't feel an urge now, and if I do usually a few deep breaths help, but it is slowly getting a bit more challenging.
Should my aim to ejaculate as rarely as possible, within reason (e.g. without going crazy)?
Thank you! |
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woosa
United Kingdom
382 Posts |
Posted - Apr 29 2013 : 09:01:46 AM
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Hi Ishmael
When ecstatic conductivity kicks in you will be more aware of what affects it. From there you will probably not want to put a damper on it by excessive ejaculations, as they can have quite an effect on it. So it's up to you what you do to support your practice.
It sounds like you are happy abstaining for 8 days. If you are happy to continue carry on. It's entirely up to you. As I say, when you progress with your practice you will know how best to support it.
I wouldn't worry about *having* to masturbate - nothing will 'back up' and make anything untoward happening like your head exploding  . But if you are going crazy then you know what to do...  . You'll know yourself how often is best for you.
All the best!
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ak33
Canada
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Posted - Apr 29 2013 : 4:08:06 PM
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| I agree with woosa. Don't force yourself (for anything really). I abstain because I don't mind it. If abstaining for an excessive period of time is causing you discomfort, obviously theres only one way to fix it. By going too far I meant orgasm. |
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