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yogani
USA
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 Posted - May 12 2006 : 10:00:38 AM
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Hi All:
Here is an interesting one from my email on the energetic aspects of higher stages of kechari:
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Q: I have a question about Kechari Mudra... I have been practicing Kechari for about 4 years and I have a few questions that I am hoping you can answer...
First, I can only get my tongue past the septum and into either of the nasal holes about 1/4 inch; as I keep reaching further, what will I feel inside and where should the tongue finally reach to or rest at?
Second, when I run my tongue up the backside of the septum looking for the "secret spot", I do not find a protrusion half way up; however, I do have a small bump (it actually seems to me like more of a very tiny roll of skin or membrane) about 3/4 or 7/8ths of the way up, almost where the top of the septum reaches the top of the inside of the nasopharynx (where the tongue reaches a dead end when pointed up and forward in the nasopharynx)... Is this the "secret spot" or am I missing something? I don't feel any increase of "spiritual pleasure" at that spot as opposed to elsewhere on the septum so I'm not sure; also, possibly my "secret spot" is higher than average and/or I am not sensitive enough yet?
Could you please clarify and give your experienced opinion?
A: The "secret spot" is more about ecstatic sensation than a physical feature on the septum. It is the same thing with sambhavi. When the sensation is there, it cannot be missed and the physical positioning and movement will follow the sensation rather than the anatomy. Kechari by itself may or may not bring up the sensation. It is part of ecstatic conductivity, which is a whole body phenomenon. Perhaps you have run across the discussions on ecstatic conductivity in the lessons? It also comes under the common term "kundalini."
So, your progress in kechari sensitivity is probably related more toward your meditation, spinal breathing, mudras, bandhas, kumbhaka, tantric methods, etc, than to kechari itself. All of these things work together in the process of over all purification and opening.
Regarding the tongue and nasal passages, if you use the "roll/twist" of the tongue toward the center as described in Lesson 108, that will likely give you the maximum penetration, in and upward. Also check the Secrets of Wilder novel for a personal-style account of entering the nasal passages over time, and many other things discovered along the path. However far you penetrate is far enough. We each have our own natural limit, so there is no standard to be attained in that. The inner nasal openings are not likely to increase in size, as they are surrounded by bone (the septum is bone also). Neither is the tongue going to change much in thickness, except by radical means such as surgery which I strongly advise against. Some advanced yogis can't enter the nasal passages at all due to anatomy, and that does not hold them back.
In your case, it might be that your over all practice, including all of its components, needs some time. That will enhance whole body ecstatic conductivity and then kechari will come into full participation in that. When that happens, the septum is the place to be, so you are ready! 
Obviously, you have been doing kechari for some time, since before AYP came along. It is really a question of what else you have been doing in practices over the years, and how you decide to manage it going forward. If you are not doing a twice daily routine of deep meditation preceded by spinal breathing, I suggest you consider going in that direction. Then consider the mudras, bandhas and other methods discussed in the lessons, taking the whole thing in sequence one step at a time. That can do wonders for activating the secret spot and everything else in the nervous system.
All the best on your path!
The guru is in you.
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david_obsidian
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Posted - May 12 2006 : 11:28:34 AM
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Thanks Yogani.
I do not find a protrusion half way up; however, I do have a small bump (it actually seems to me like more of a very tiny roll of skin or membrane) about 3/4 or 7/8ths of the way up, almost where the top of the septum reaches the top of the inside of the nasopharynx
This is the same for me. I chalked it up to bio-individuality, and thought of asking Yogani about it, but I suppose I didn't doubt that this was my 'secret spot' sufficiently to get around to asking the question.
Any comments?
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alan
USA
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Posted - May 12 2006 : 11:49:10 AM
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That's my experience as well. I have the same described "bump". I've gone about as far as I can up the nasal passages. I too was wondering why I haven't experienced rolling waves of bliss with kechari. Thanks for putting it all in perspective yogani. I had pretty much figured that since I was "premature" with kechari and hadn't even begun spinal breathing or deep meditation that I needed to mature those practices to produce a "living movement" within. Which reminds me, it's time to practice |
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Kyman
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Posted - Oct 07 2006 : 10:49:34 PM
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My tongue is in self pace mode. Its been a few months of consistent daily practice. My tongue feel less ecstatic, but it can reach beyong the uvula and occasionally push through the slip without finger help. The tongue feels longer and the frenum is stretched.
Occasionally I will go into kechari and just rest, where the energy doesn't pull it up. This is fine. Feel comfortable.
My question is to yogani, or anyone else who has insight into this, 'once the tip of the tongue closes off both nostrils, does it continue to move further? |
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technoyogi
Canada
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Posted - Mar 29 2015 : 4:34:50 PM
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So I had my first bit of distinct ecstatic conductivity with what I think was my first real touch of the secret spot.
For me, like for David and the person who posed this question, it seemed to be higher up than I expected, something like that 3/4 or 7/8th of the way up to the top.
Also, it felt like a cross between a slight stinging and a mild electric shock that was pleasant. Does that sounds like what anyone else has experienced?
If not for self pacing I would have held it there. Instead after I realized the newness of this sensation I noted it and the place for future reference, and stopped after just a few seconds. |
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Charliedog
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Posted - Mar 30 2015 : 07:51:14 AM
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Originally posted by yogani
Hi All:
Kechari by itself may or may not bring up the sensation. It is part of ecstatic conductivity, which is a whole body phenomenon. Perhaps you have run across the discussions on ecstatic conductivity in the lessons? It also comes under the common term "kundalini."
So, your progress in kechari sensitivity is probably related more toward your meditation, spinal breathing, mudras, bandhas, kumbhaka, tantric methods, etc, than to kechari itself. All of these things work together in the process of over all purification and opening.
The guru is in you.
Thank you Yogani, Imho that is true, ecstatic conductivity is first and kechari follows by itself, not the other way around.....
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technoyogi
Canada
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Posted - Mar 30 2015 : 1:21:52 PM
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I think where I am with Kechari right now is the "chicken and egg", cause and effect stage Yogani has described:
"Success with mudras like kechari is a chicken and egg thing. They foster what we call in AYP, "ecstatic conductivity" in the nervous system. That is, a mudra like kechari is both cause and effect. When we are moving into effect mode (and further cause) we will know beyond any doubt that the "secret spot" in about half way up the edge of the back edge of the septum inside our nasal pharynx -- that is the divider between left and right nasal passages. We need go no further than that (stage 2 kechari) to achieve a good connection, and it is very easy to be there once we have gone above the soft palate. The rest after that (stages 3 & 4...) is icing on the cake. Check AYP Lesson #108 for details (diagrams included there).
But how to get that chicken and egg ecstatic conductivity going? It begins with deep meditation, and that is where I recommend you start, just as the AYP lessons suggest if you take them in order. Then there can be a logical buildup from there into spinal breathing pranayama, mudras, bandhas, samyama, tantra, etc. In this approach, it goes from inner silence to ecstatic conductivity and onward to the unity of outpouring divine love, which is working from the inside out instead of the other way around (beginning with physical techniques), which can be problematic."
The way I interpret that is that as long as I am doing all the other practices in conjunction, and only starting to get the early stages of Kechari conductivity that I asked about in my question above, then Kechari, while not being the full cause of it, can still be a partial cause, again assuming it is part of the integrated base practices
The ideal way is probably that one never even thinks about kechari and then the inner conductivity just happens and kechari occurs as an automatic yoga. For me the genie is out of the bottle though and I have not been able to resist exploring and hoping that it quickens my path a little bit within the confines of self pacing...
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Edited by - technoyogi on Mar 30 2015 1:41:57 PM |
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