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broken heart
India
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 Posted - Feb 27 2012 : 02:10:16 AM
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| I believe many of you who have so good ecstatic experiences and opened crown be in co-union with the universal mind. Can't you be able to predict terror attacks, murder, bus/airplace/train accidents etc and go and get them stopped? People who say these things are part of the play please try to stay away, for that will get into a never ending debate. |
Edited by - broken heart on Feb 27 2012 02:39:36 AM |
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Feb 27 2012 : 07:08:16 AM
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Those things happen because of people's karma from the past, or people making evil decisions. As more of mankind becomes enlightened, it helps those things in general, but won't specifically stop a certain incident.
However, if an enlightened person is present and involved when some of those things happen it can make a difference. Those incidents are not publicized much because it doesn't sell "news" when something almost happens, and is defused. One doesn't need to be enlightened to stop these things. There are courses taken by police and negotiators to learn how to stop people from doing bad things.
The accidents can only be helped by the general population clearing their karma over time. |
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broken heart
India
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Posted - Feb 27 2012 : 1:27:57 PM
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Originally posted by Etherfish
Those things happen because of people's karma from the past, or people making evil decisions.
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The accidents can only be helped by the general population clearing their karma over time.
If a bus driver falls asleep for a second at the wheel and plunges the bus into a river, all the 50 people in the bus definitely deserves it due to their bad karma?
There is a certain degree of chaos in the world, not everything is governed by personal karma. But then again, having born in itself is an act (karma) and having chosen to be born in the material world (every birth is due to a failure of previous birth) that definetely has a degree of chaos can be considered a bad karma in itself and hence they are punished for that. But if karma's definition be extended this much, then it might be just as well to drop the concept of karma and explain everything using chaos alone, and it all the more calls for all the possible help including from yogis, to sort out the chaos. |
Edited by - broken heart on Feb 27 2012 1:50:39 PM |
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Christi
United Kingdom
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Posted - Feb 27 2012 : 1:38:50 PM
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Hi Broken Heart,
Dying isn't a punishment for bad things that you did in the past. Dying is simply an inevitable part of life, for everyone.
As for chaos, there is no chaos in the universe. Every single event that happens has a cause, and a future effect on other events. This is what karma is. And as long as we are involved on the level of events, everything that happens to us has a cause, and an effect on future events.
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broken heart
India
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Posted - Feb 27 2012 : 1:55:54 PM
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Originally posted by Christi
Hi Broken Heart,
Dying isn't a punishment for bad things that you did in the past. Dying is simply an inevitable part of life, for everyone.
As for chaos, there is no chaos in the universe. Every single event that happens has a cause, and a future effect on other events. This is what karma is. And as long as we are involved on the level of events, everything that happens to us has a cause, and an effect on future events.
Christi
Dying is unnaturual and a failure, and a premature end without realizing full potential of the divine within. Yoga is for achieving the opposite of it, an unending continuity of consciousness, one with nature's lifeforce.
If there is no chaos, how do you explain the bus driver's negligence killing 50 school children? This thread has already entered into a back and forth arguments which doesn't serve much purpose. |
Edited by - broken heart on Feb 27 2012 2:02:02 PM |
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Christi
United Kingdom
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Posted - Feb 27 2012 : 2:48:20 PM
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Hi Broken Heart,
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Dying is unnaturual and a failure, and a premature end without realizing full potential of the divine within.
Death could be seen like that by one person, but seen a completely different way by another. It depends on their karma. Karma isn't what happens to you, it's how you respond to it.
As for the hypothetical bus driver: Everything that is born dies, without fail. There is no need to explain that, it's just an obvious truth. If it appears to happen chaotically when compared with a model of how life should unfold, then all we have to do is remember that we made up the model. When we stop making up models of how life should be, that is the point at which karma ends, and yoga begins.
All the best,
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karl
United Kingdom
1812 Posts |
Posted - Feb 27 2012 : 3:28:24 PM
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Change comes from within. As Ghandi said "be the change you wish to see in the world". That means the effort should best into changing your internal perspective.
If you are at war internally, you will see war externally.
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tonightsthenight
846 Posts |
Posted - Feb 27 2012 : 5:53:41 PM
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broken heart,
no one here has that kind of power. frankly, i don't know what kind of power people are capable of, but i don't think it's likely that someone could stop tornadoes or bus accidents.
if there is a way to stop such things, it would be a long term process of resolving humanity's karma in my opinion. |
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brother neil
USA
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Posted - Feb 27 2012 : 6:09:53 PM
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the example of the bus could be a good example of karma, how much do we as humans kill plants and animals to build roads and busses, computers, and other machines, etc.... Cars are dangerous, a lot of modern socioty is dangerous and often times we as people necglect what is meaningful and put importance on what is not meaningful.
some say the only truth is the absolute, God, whatever name. Buddha said, "chaos is inherent in all compounded things, strive on with diligence." A set in stone law of karma would mean A+B=C always, personally i dont belive that completely, however in a general sense it makes sense that if you are nice to people they will be nice to you, unless they are bad people and therefore your reason to be nice is because you know it is what is best for you to do. |
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FutureHumanDestiny
USA
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Posted - Feb 27 2012 : 6:41:29 PM
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for one thing, predicting horrible events is easy. they have happened non stop for all of known (and most of the unknown) human history.
my question is this: if you predicted something real, before it happened, how would you stop it? how would you interfere with the wicked and evil people? |
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Etherfish
USA
3615 Posts |
Posted - Feb 27 2012 : 11:56:36 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by broken heart
quote:
Originally posted by Etherfish
Those things happen because of people's karma from the past, or people making evil decisions.
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The accidents can only be helped by the general population clearing their karma over time.
If a bus driver falls asleep for a second at the wheel and plunges the bus into a river, all the 50 people in the bus definitely deserves it due to their bad karma?. . . .
Probably, yes. But it is not punishment; it is learning. |
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maheswari
Lebanon
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Posted - Feb 28 2012 : 02:07:28 AM
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| totally agree with Ether and Christi |
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SeySorciere
Seychelles
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Posted - Feb 28 2012 : 03:37:23 AM
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From all sources it would appear that the moment a "Master" /enlightened person has reached a level where S/He can stop these undesirable events, they stop wanting to change them. There must be a reason.
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Etherfish
USA
3615 Posts |
Posted - Feb 28 2012 : 07:44:28 AM
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I think it is because changing "bad" events doesn't change anything.
It's kinda like the movie "Final Destination"; a guy gets a premonition of how he and his friends will die, and he changes events so it can't happen. Then they die one by one in a different way.
Of course, the forces behind things are much more benevolent than in that horror film. The film is built around their deaths, while reality is built around our enlightenment. So instead of all bad stuff happening, there is good mixed in with it, making life more interesting and not so obvious.
Helping people become enlightened is the only pursuit that makes a difference in the long run. That is why some gurus say "everything is illusion".
I will usually disagree with that whenever people try to use it to relieve themselves of responsibility,
but the concept is correct that things are not what they seem.
So I think what Sey said above is true because the "master" sees he can predict bad events and stop them, but nothing really changes. So instead he helps people along the path of enlightenment because it is the only thing that really makes a difference. |
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Holy
796 Posts |
Posted - Mar 10 2012 : 7:09:11 PM
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God loves action movies :) And you too. God also loves comedy, drama, music, everything. And you too. And yet, only if the suffering gets intense in the movie, you start trying not to look at it anymore or to change the content.
Friend of love, why not looking at your self? Who are you seeing the movies. This is the direction the suffering movie wants you to look.
Obviously, if the movie is too funny, you will look at it forever and miss what is the best, beyond all movies. |
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delta33
Canada
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Posted - Mar 13 2012 : 12:33:30 AM
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Originally posted by broken heart
If a bus driver falls asleep for a second at the wheel and plunges the bus into a river, all the 50 people in the bus definitely deserves it due to their bad karma?
there are lots of quick and easy mass check-out options:
- planes
- trains
- carnival boats
- earthquake
- tsunami
- tornado
- freeway pileup in a blizzard
- etc
they might even be pre-planned..
yes, let's visit earth, circa 2nd millennium, let's be rich/poor, have these experiences and then after xx years some pre-arranged death
"earth tours in human suits for 25 galactic credits..
..one play lasts 1 standard moment but seems like a lifetime!"
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