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wakeupneo
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yogesh
USA
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 Posted - Jul 23 2011 : 10:48:31 AM
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Ahhh..
The Fallen Bodhisattva with the bad jokes ...
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maheswari
Lebanon
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Posted - Jul 23 2011 : 5:27:36 PM
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Etherfish
USA
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HathaTeacher
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Posted - Jul 25 2011 : 03:36:45 AM
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Here's another 'explicit language warning.' Osho's point seems true even of the non-English speaking world:
http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/austria.asp
("Not so fast please", on the photo, kind of reconnects this thread even to quite serious topics... )
Haven't tasted their H*** yet (well, nevermind a label saying "Ale", but I prefer alcohol free):
www.spiegel.de/international...86305,00.html |
Edited by - HathaTeacher on Jul 25 2011 05:30:07 AM |
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yogesh
USA
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Posted - Jul 25 2011 : 09:27:16 AM
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| Osho was not as enlightened as he wanted people to think IMO, he was not above using people to put it frankly and not a very nice person. |
Edited by - yogesh on Jul 25 2011 1:18:17 PM |
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maheswari
Lebanon
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Posted - Jul 25 2011 : 5:21:31 PM
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he was what he was...his problem ...not my concern or yours
....though it would be better not to judge anyone |
Edited by - maheswari on Jul 25 2011 5:50:13 PM |
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Jul 25 2011 : 6:04:48 PM
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He seems kind of insincere to me, but many people report getting spiritual boosts from him. And who could say that being enlightened turns you into a nice, proper person? If so, I don't want any part of it. I could move to England and learn to be proper faster than meditating twice a day.
It just proves that looking for the perfect teacher or information is not the best route.
Find your inner guru, and who knows what valuable lessons you may learn from unlikely sources? |
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wakeupneo
USA
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Posted - Jul 25 2011 : 9:36:51 PM
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There is a misconception that enlightenment somehow automatically transforms the personality.
Enlightenment is the recognition and existential shift into your true nature. One still functions via the personality and uses the personality as a medium. There were many enlightened masters who were far from being pious.
You have gone to the other shore. You have transcended duality. You have crossed the fields or right doing and wrong doing. You have seen the personality as insubstantial and inherently non-existence. Why bother?
Osho was radical. He did things to smash people's conditioning as any good and true master should. It terrified many as they saw this as an attack to their frail and limiting belief systems, ergo saw it as an attack on them. |
Edited by - wakeupneo on Jul 25 2011 9:40:23 PM |
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yogesh
USA
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Posted - Jul 25 2011 : 10:17:40 PM
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Originally posted by maheswari
he was what he was...his problem ...not my concern or yours
....though it would be better not to judge anyone
Osho was more judgmental
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yogesh
USA
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Posted - Jul 25 2011 : 11:31:41 PM
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Originally posted by wakeupneo
There is a misconception that enlightenment somehow automatically transforms the personality.
Enlightenment is the recognition and existential shift into your true nature. One still functions via the personality and uses the personality as a medium. There were many enlightened masters who were far from being pious.
You have gone to the other shore. You have transcended duality. You have crossed the fields or right doing and wrong doing. You have seen the personality as insubstantial and inherently non-existence. Why bother?
Osho radical. He did things to smash people's conditioning as any good and true master should. It terrified many as they saw this as an attack to their frail and limiting belief systems, ergo saw it as an attack on them.
yea that was Osho's 'Sthick', the shock jock guru, it got boring to some of us after a while...
FYI: He borrowed quite a bit from J Krishnamurti and Alan Watts and spiced things up a bit with his own techniques that he claimed were better for mankind 'cough cough'
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maheswari
Lebanon
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Posted - Jul 26 2011 : 03:01:55 AM
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There is a misconception that enlightenment somehow automatically transforms the personality.
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And who could say that being enlightened turns you into a nice, proper person?
very well said wakeupneo and ether |
Edited by - maheswari on Jul 26 2011 03:02:34 AM |
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maheswari
Lebanon
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yogesh
USA
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Posted - Jul 26 2011 : 09:03:37 AM
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Originally posted by maheswari
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There is a misconception that enlightenment somehow automatically transforms the personality.
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And who could say that being enlightened turns you into a nice, proper person?
very well said wakeupneo and ether
very well, however enlightenment should not turn you into a 'nasty' person...
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yogesh
USA
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Posted - Jul 26 2011 : 09:04:52 AM
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sorry I was an Osho Sannyasin for years and just dont buy it anymore...
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yogesh
USA
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Posted - Jul 26 2011 : 09:12:11 AM
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I prefer Yoganis approach in teaching and not putting himself above all other traditions and teachers or making outlandish claims about his own enlightenment or who he is...
to not be ensnared in a personality cult is important for spiritual progress IMO
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maheswari
Lebanon
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Posted - Jul 26 2011 : 2:11:46 PM
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to not be ensnared in a personality cult is important for spiritual progress IMO
totally agree with that
plus the most important thing is that one is comfortable with him/her self
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maheswari
Lebanon
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Posted - Jul 26 2011 : 3:42:37 PM
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dont fall into that trap as indicated by Yogani
"Acolytes will defend the imperfections of the guru as being part of the perfect plan, while those prone to judgment will run the other way. Neither is right."(AYP Lesson 260)
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Peace
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yogesh
USA
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Posted - Jul 26 2011 : 5:01:48 PM
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Originally posted by maheswari
dont fall into that trap as indicated by Yogani
"Acolytes will defend the imperfections of the guru as being part of the perfect plan, while those prone to judgment will run the other way. Neither is right."(AYP Lesson 260)
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Peace
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I agree with Yogani, however I dont consider Osho a Guru nor did he himself.
namaskar
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yogesh
USA
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Posted - Jul 26 2011 : 5:13:03 PM
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anyway, I am not here on this forum to speak out against Osho...
sorry my opinion is somewhat jaded, I'll leave it at that and wish you all well who like him.
peace
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Etherfish
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Posted - Jul 26 2011 : 6:44:07 PM
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yogesh wrote:
"very well, however enlightenment should not turn you into a 'nasty' person..."
If it does, it probably uncovered something that you were hiding. . .but I agree; the path has made it easier for me to get along with people because I understand them and myself better. Oh, I just realized aging does that too. Well, i'd like to think meditation has enhanced it, if for no other reason than less stress while communicating.
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"I prefer Yoganis approach in teaching and not putting himself above all other traditions and teachers or making outlandish claims about his own enlightenment or who he is..."
I agree, and that's what makes him the BEST guru of all time . . . |
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