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Go deep into the sense of 'I am'

and you will find.

How do you find a thing

you have mislaid or forgotten?

You keep it in your mind

until you recall it.

The sense of being,

of 'I am' is the first to emerge.

Ask yourself whence it comes,

or just watch it quietly.

When the mind stays in the 'I am',

without moving,

you enter a state which cannot be verbalized

but can be experienced.

All you need to do is to try and try again."

-Nisargadatta Maharaj from I AM THAT

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Originally posted by alwayson2

Just reading my method won't do anything. You have to actually do it.

That insight is important...not the method. There is zero insight from just reading my post on an internet forum. Thats why people think it is some sort of mindfulness exercise, when its not.

IMO, what I have outlined is the quickest path to what they call self-realization in neo-Advaita/neo-Zen

This is my method not Dzogchen point of view. I am not a Dzogchen practitioner.

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Originally posted by alwayson2

No way did he discover this practice alone. Did you even read his book "THE MOST DIRECT MEANS TO ETERNAL BLISS"?

The whole AWA was dumbed down for him so he could understand.

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Originally posted by AnEternalNow

The AWA method is certainly a powerful way to true spiritual experience. There is a problem with it however, nevertheless I'm not discouraging it's practice up till certain phase. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQMhKJ_nPMk

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The AWA method is certainly a powerful way to true spiritual experience. There is a problem with it however, nevertheless I'm not discouraging it's practice up till certain phase. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQMhKJ_nPMk

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The first stage of experiencing awareness face to face is like a point on a sphere which you called it the center. You marked it.

Then later you realised that when you marked other points on the surface of a sphere, they have the same characteristics. This is the initial experience of non-dual. (but due to our dualistic momentum, there is still no clarity even if there is the experience non-duality)

Ken Wilber: While you are resting in that state (of the Witness), and “sensing” this Witness as a great expanse, if you then look at, say, a mountain, you might begin to notice that the sensation of the Witness and the sensation of the mountain are the same sensation. When you “feel” your pure Self and you “feel” the mountain, they are absolutely the same feeling.

When you are asked to find another point on the surface of the sphere, you won't be sure but you are still very careful.

Once the insight of No-Self is stabilized, you just freely point to any point on the surface of the sphere -- all points are a center, hence there is no 'the' center. 'The' center does not exist: all points are a center.

When you say 'the center', you are marking a point and claim that it is the only point that has the characteristic of a 'center'. The intensity of the pure beingness is itself a manifestation. It is needless to divide into inner and outer as there will also come a point where high intensity of clarity will be experienced for all sensations. So not to let the 'intensity' create the layering of inner and outer.

Now when we do not know what is a sphere, we do not know that all the points are the same. So when a person first experiences non-duality with the propensities still in action, we cannot fully experience the mind/body dissolution and the experience isn't clear. Nevertheless we are still careful of our experience and we try to be non-dual.

But when the realisation is clear and sank deep into our inmost consciousness, it is really effortless. Not because it is a routine but because there is nothing need be done, just allowing expanse of consciousness naturally.

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Originally posted by AnEternalNow
I have also conversed with alwayson over a year ago in another forum.

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Even though this is an important insight and paves the way to the unfolding of various insights of our nature, however as Vishrant said, this is only the first day in kindergarten, that glimpse alone is far from the end of the journey. However, practicing AWA repeatedly many hours a day alone will not lead to a deeper realisation of non-duality. Practicing AWA for prolonged periods everyday will lead to the ability to remain in absorption in pure consciousness, until one is able to sustain this absorption in our life and be able to enter into total samadhi at a moment's will (not all so called "enlightened persons" are able to achieve this, I believe people like Michael Langford or Ramana Maharshi are clearly there since they are known to be able to enter absorptions for prolonged periods at will. In other words having more insights does not equate to strength of absorption, but the strength of absorption does not necessarily mean the depth of insight)

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This means instead of dissociating, one experiences that there is no one experiencing those experiences -- rather all appearances are simply the dynamic manifestations of Consciousness itself, and there is totally no distance -- no distance between you and the scenery, you and the pain, you and the sound -- there is no subject object divisions, just Suchness of the music, the sensation, the scene. No seer, scenery sees. No hearer, sound hears. Consciousness is not a behind Witness, rather it is manifestation AS all appearances. There is no attempt to sink back to a background space, a center, a witness, because it is realised the non-dual witnessing is simply Wholeness and Totality itself, awareness is pervading and is not other than the universe. Since everything is equally Awareness, there is no choosing, there is no dissociating from anything to abide in a purest state, for what manifests is already IT, all manifestation is the Source.

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Originally posted by Scott

Awesome post AnEternalNow. Are you Xabir from taobums?

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I agree with most of what you say, except "...but that the method itself will only bring one this far." That isn't true at all.

In the method, people aren't sinking back into a void, in an objectless realm. I know many beginners view it that way, but it's not the case. For those who actually practice this, there are perceptual shifts that occur, which enable one to get past this "stage".

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