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Reno2233
USA
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 Posted - Jan 04 2025 : 09:02:43 AM
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Hello Fellow AYPers!
I have a couple questions regarding Yoni Mudra Kumbhaka. I've been practicing daily with spinal breathing pranayama and deep meditation. This has been the case for a couple years now. I've added in YM Kumbhaka to my practices recently and have done so for a few weeks up to this point.
My first question is, does the practice of Yoni Mudra Kumbhaka aid in managing sexual urges and/or decreasing obsession for ejaculation (orgasm)? In the lessons Yogani says the practice of Kumbhaka is a major purifier of the nervous system, and can help raise sexual energy. Does this raising of sexual energy higher up have any effect on sexual urges and lust in general?
Also, I've heard YM Kumbhaka has a delayed effect. I have experienced this as well long after sitting practices. However, the effect is along the lines of increased stillness and calm, and greater feelings of peace..But not so much in the feeling of increased pleasure and ecstasy.
My last question is on engaging in YM Kumbhaka during sitting practices. While holding my breath at the point of the third eye, around the 15-20 sec mark I feel very strong feelings of pleasure start to rise. But it only seems to rise when I get to the point of discomfort and sustained breath retention. Once I actually start to feel the pleasure and energy rise, my need to exhale is even greater. So just as something seems to happen, it's as if my body is screaming for me to exhale. Thus I haven't moved much past this point in feeling and experience.
From a seasoned practitioners view and experience, is this normal? Should one "push past" the strong feeling of needing to exhale in order to experience the rising pleasure fully? I haven't had any negative drawbacks or drastic energy imbalances. That being said, I feel very smooth in daily activity but the practice itself still feels rather clunky.
As mentioned, I feel clear and stable after practicing and my energy level seems to be increased, despite the lack of sustained pleasure sensations in my YM Kumbhaka sitting practice. Thanks to all in advance! |
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yogani
USA
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Posted - Jan 04 2025 : 4:40:09 PM
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Hi Reno2233,
Thank you for sharing your experience. Yoni mudra kumbhaka (YMK) is a powerful practice for awakening ecstatic energy (kundalini). And, yes, it can be with delayed effect, so easing into it gently is advised to make sure the results will be as smooth as possible. To your questions:
1. Libido varies from one person to another, as will how it interacts with our inner purification and opening and practices, including YMK. What we can say is that with energy rising resulting from practices over time, the libido will naturally go more in the upward direction. So the fire of sex will gradually transform to be the fire of ecstatic energy rising, and naturally more attractive - shifting from erotic to ecstatic. So if we have sexual obsession, this will gradually shift to be ecstatic obsession. Still an obsession, but more in the direction of our spiritual unfoldment. It is a component of bhakti, the wanting for fullness and completion. Over the long term it all settles down, as our inner silence and ecstatic energies merge into a unified flow in daily living. Much more peaceful and progressive than the life of obsession we knew before. All of this is not an overnight event. It happens in stages, sometimes ecstatically blissful, and sometimes energetically challenging, eventually evolving into what we have called whole body mudra. We seek to keep the process as much in balance as possible. That is what self-pacing is for.
If sexual energy obsession is a concern, it is suggested to review the tantra lessons on methods for preserving and redirecting sexual energy upward. Tantric sexual methods are a more direct way for managing sexual energy, more direct than YMK as a first approach. However, like with YMK, tantric practices rely for effectiveness on abiding inner silence cultivated in deep meditation as the prerequisite. That's why deep meditation and the cultivation of abiding inner silence are first in the AYP approach. Everything else depends on it.
It should be mentioned that mulabandha and siddhasana are particularly effective for awakening the flow of sexual energy upward. YMK is a whole body technique with multiple components, whereas mulabandha and siddhasana are targeted on shifting sexual energy from erotic to ecstatic. See:
https://www.aypsite.org/55.html
https://www.aypsite.org/75.html
https://www.aypsite.org/T16.html
2. Yes, the effects of YMK can be and often are delayed, as is the case with other practices in the AYP tool kit. So taking it easy and being patient are important. Best to avoid an energetic overload. Taking it gradually with practices is actually a faster path, as we can avoid extended recovery time from overdoing and major overload.
3. It is suggested not to strain in breath retention (kumbhaka), not taking it to the point of desperation. The effectiveness over time will be as good, or better, with moderate practice. And also best not to be looking for particular symptoms during practice. That goes for all of the AYP practices. The results will show up on our daily life. Experiences during practice can be anything according to purification and opening that may be going on at the time. Whatever those symptoms, or the lack of them, may be during practice are not an indication of our spiritual progress. How we feel in daily activity is the fruit of our practice. From what you say, it appears your daily activity is good. That is the measure of your practice.
Wishing you all the best as you continue with patience and persistence.
The guru is in you. 
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Dogboy
USA
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Posted - Jan 04 2025 : 11:58:04 PM
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| And just to add to Yogani's advice, in all of yoga I follow the approach of "gently favoring": the mantra, tracing the spine, holding onto a strap, block, or body part in asanas, the mudras and bandas, the attention on the solar center, and employing your intentions. Nothing should be forced or forceful in your approach, for then that becomes what diverts your attention. There is flow and openness in the shushumna when we are gentle with our attention, our actions, and ourselves. |
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interpaul
USA
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Posted - Jan 05 2025 : 8:51:01 PM
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quote:
Nothing should be forced or forceful in your approach, for then that becomes what diverts your attention. There is flow and openness in the shushumna when we are gentle with our attention, our actions, and ourselves. quote:
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Reno2233
USA
17 Posts |
Posted - Jan 05 2025 : 11:21:45 PM
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Hello Yogani!!
Thank you for your time and reply. This is such a treat! I am grateful for your lessons and the willingness in sharing. Your teachings and introduction of the practices have truly changed my life! Still more to come but I am committed to remaining disciplined in my daily practices.
I appreciate the sharing of the lessons on Siddhasana and Mulabanda. I've incorporated both in my practices. Mulabandha for almost two years to this point and siddhasana for a few months. Both have been extremely helpful with good results!
Speaking of which, I do have another related question. Since I've been doing YMK for about a month now, and in turn doing Kechari (but only during YMK). Would I be able to start incorporating Kechari in my regular spinal breathing, or should I only do so during YMK for now?
Dogboy and interpaul, you've helped me in my questions and understanding before as well. Thank you so much it's always good hearing from you. Also, the point of "gentle favoring" is a wonderful reminder! I've found myself micromanaging the aspects of practice in the past, and I'll be sure to keep this in mind.
I hope everyone enjoyed the holidays, looking forward to more progression this year!
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yogani
USA
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Posted - Jan 06 2025 : 12:21:43 AM
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Hi Reno2233,
Good to hear you are familiar with mulabandha and siddhasana.
Yes, doing kechari during spinal breathing is okay. It is suggested to develop the habits of mudras, such as kechari, in spinal breathing. When they become automatic, they will appear naturally without effort or distraction in meditation and other areas of practice. Ultimately, the effectiveness of kechari is dependent on the rise of abiding inner silence and the awakening of ecstatic conductivity, which are cultivated with a range of practices.
All the best!
The guru is in you.
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Reno2233
USA
17 Posts |
Posted - Jan 06 2025 : 10:53:33 PM
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Hello Yogani and Fellow AYPers!
I took the advice and go ahead to proceed with Kechari to heart. Today I implemented Kechari in my regular spinal breathing, and quickly found there is quite a difference between Kechari in YMK vs adopting the Mudra in SBP. After a few rounds tracing the spinal nerve with breath. I started to feel this burning sensation in my lifted tongue. This sensation never occurred during YMK. I held it for a while but decided to let it go with a few minutes of spinal breathing left. I?m only at what could be called Kechari stage 1, where the tongue meets the soft and hard pallets.
Is this burning sensation a sign to back off and wait or should this be happening? |
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yogani
USA
5280 Posts |
Posted - Jan 07 2025 : 4:17:51 PM
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Hi Reno2233,
Signs of purification and opening. The rules of self-pacing always apply. If discomfort is more than we like for longer than we like, then we scale back until we can return. Forcing through discomfort in practices seldom works, as we can end up having to stop practices altogether to recover from overdoing. Best to aim for steady practice with steady results, adjusting as necessary along the way. Good things are happening.
All the best!
The guru is in you.
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yogani
USA
5280 Posts |
Posted - Jan 07 2025 : 4:32:03 PM
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PS: Just for fun, after responding above I asked the NotebookLM AI the same question, drawing on the total content of AYP Plus. While more wordy, pretty much the same response. AI can afford to be more wordy. Not this old yogi. 
Q: What do I do if I get burning sensations on the tongue during kechari stage 1?
A: If you are experiencing a burning sensation on your tongue during kechari stage 1, this is a normal experience that many practitioners report. It is likely due to transitional purification of the nerves and biochemistry involved, and it will not last.
Here are some tips for navigating the situation:
- Don't force it: The most important thing is to not force the practice and to pull away from the intensity of the experience if it becomes too much. This will allow you to continue practicing comfortably and safely.
- It will pass: As your nervous system purifies, these symptoms and perturbations will eventually pass. Be patient and continue with your practices, and the burning sensation should subside.
- Kechari stage 2: Even in kechari stage 2, some practitioners experience stinging or burning sensations, particularly in the early stages. However, as you continue practicing and your nervous system purifies, these sensations should diminish.
- Listen to your body: Always listen to your body and adjust your practice accordingly. If you are experiencing discomfort, it is wise to back off and allow your body to rest and recover. You will be invited back to the practice soon enough.
The sources explain that going into kechari is an important part of the evolution of purification in the nervous system. It is a move toward whole body ecstatic conductivity and enlightenment.
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Reno2233
USA
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Posted - Jan 08 2025 : 03:22:01 AM
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Hello Yogani!
Great news, this is very reassuring. Good to know I am not causing any harm or going about it improperly. I will continue Kechari with easeful intention being sure to self pace as needed. Currently, I am holding Kechari stage 1 for roughly half of Spinal Breathing to ease any discomfort and for balance.
Also, I must let you know any words or insight you have to offer is akin to GOLD! No matter if it's wordy or not . I am so grateful for your time, knowledge and lessons. You honestly deserve much more recognition and acclaim, although I'm certain you are neither in search of or in need of it. Thank you so much!! It is amazing that we can incorporate AI advances along our spiritual track.
I have one last question if I could, then I will give it a rest. In lesson 108 about Kechari and the giant leap for humankind. You stated "Even though we are talking about a journey of a couple of centimeters, kechari is a big undertaking. Not so much physically, though there is some physical challenge, but more so in the psyche and the emotions. Kechari is a big deal. It goes to the core of our spiritual identity. Are we ready to close a neurological switch that will transport us to a higher plane of existence?"
This intrigues me greatly! I somewhat understand the higher spiritual implications of Kechari, you also mention the potential to impact not only on the individual scale, but globally within all others around.
Question is, Is this result and effect experienced after initiating Kechari? Is there any stepping into a higher plane of existence occurring with use of stage 1 or is that later on (stage 3 &4) ?
Very much appreciated!! Thank you in advance.
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yogani
USA
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Posted - Jan 08 2025 : 6:15:37 PM
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Hi Reno2233,
With the awakening of whole body ecstatic conductivity, which is the result of a range of practices, beginning with deep meditation, and moving into spinal breathing, mudras, bandhas, etc., kechari stage 1 will become a more powerful stimulator of higher levels of ecstatic experience and radiance. This is because the ecstatic connection between the "secret spot" on the septum and the upper palate inside the mouth becomes much more conductive. So then kechari stage 1 (tip of tongue back on roof of mouth where hard and soft palates meet) becomes a direct connection to the secret spot and whole body ecstatic conductivity. It is much the same with all the mudras and bandhas, where gradually very little (micro) movements in sambhavi, mulabandha/asvini, uddiyana, kechari stage 1 and so on, will create an amplified effect. It becomes a whole body mudra kind of thing, where the subtle neurobiology stimulates ecstatic bliss in an automatic coordinated way. From there it is natural for it to radiate out into the world as an outpouring of divine love. It sounds very dramatic, but it is quite normal as it becomes a part of daily living. We still go to work, clean the house and take care of whatever there is to take care of in life. We can do all those things better, and joyfully.
All of that said, the end is obviously not where we start, though it is good to keep our bhakti awake with an eye on the prize. It is a gradual process of development. To get to the micro-movement whole body ecstatic stage, it takes time in practice and integrating the results in normal daily activity. There will be plenty of ups and downs, but we keep going. Before we can be ecstatic in kechari stage 1, we may be inclined to go to kechari stages 2&3 for direct stimulation of the secret spot as part of our overall practice, leading eventually to an ecstatic kechari stage 1, which will happen along with the rise of whole body ecstatic awakening. The same goes for other mudras and bandhas, which will refine with less movement needed for effect. So we do more before we can do less with greater effect. In the lessons, it has been called creating a "fly wheel" effect, where ecstatic awakening develops a momentum, so less is required to continue living an increasingly ecstatic life. Eventually, practically no effort is needed to continue the outpouring. We will still practice, but it does not take so much to sustain the quality of life we have come to live. So that is how it evolves over time in practices.
And it all begins, and ends, with deep meditation!
The guru is in you.
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