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kevincann
USA
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 Posted - May 07 2011 : 9:33:27 PM
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In my travels, the most effective people I have ever met, whether
"spiritual" or "non-spiritual" are those who have heavily practiced
some from of self-confrontation.
Now obviously, you cannot teach that on the internet. There are some
who would say it is a barbaric practice, that the silence is enough.
However the world is filled with people who rave about the silence,
but who do not necessarily show any courage.
An "evolved" person, who does not eventually radiate courage by
the bucket-full, is a bliss junkie, in my opinion. In fact, I have
met other practictioners who call bliss junkies "posers". Now I do
not necessarily believe this.. but the subject has recently been
brought to my attention again.
I myself do self-confronation on a moment by moment basis. I have
for 45 years non-stop. Now whether this is a good practice, or
whether it is in fact part of my karma so to speak.. that it is in
fact harmful if done to excess.. I'm interested in feedback.
Can anyone educate me about their own experience with this
method, and about any traditions which promote it? I'm not talking
about teachers or gurus or "masters" cutting down students. I'm
talking about examining oneself, lovingly but without quarter.
Anything suboptimal is not accepted; immediate corrective actions
must be taken. Whether that is indeed, just doing more meditaton
or whatever it takes, the point is to not just to make the
stillness crack coccaine, but to use the spiritual discernment
to confront yourself thoroughly.. not to just receive
rose-colored glasses type of self-masturbatory pats on the back.
Really, I call this having integrity. But the whole concept of
integrity seems to be lost to the modern world, whether in
spiritual practices, or out of spiritual practices. Perhaps
something like this is part of AYP, and I haven't read it yet..
Or perhaps it isn't, for a very valid reason. I don't know.
I thank anyone brave enough to discuss this with me. It is a
touchy stubject in our world.
-Kevin Cann
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Yaming
Switzerland
112 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2011 : 02:36:28 AM
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In my travels, the most effective people I have ever met, whether
"spiritual" or "non-spiritual" are those who have heavily practiced
some from of self-confrontation.
hm I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean with "effective". Effective at work? Effective in developing?
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However the world is filled with people who rave about the silence,
but who do not necessarily show any courage.
wait, why should silence lead to courage? The idea of AYP, at least that's what I understand so far, is to transcendent yourself, the mind...everything. No super willpower or courage needed. The desire to evolve will lead the path. but maybe i got that all wrong 
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I myself do self-confronation on a moment by moment basis. I have
for 45 years non-stop
I have no idea how you do that. Like when you eat a meal or just go for a walk... hm how do you enjoy something if you all the time bothered by confronting yourself? Maybe I'm just totally not getting the point.
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Anything suboptimal is not accepted; immediate corrective actions
must be taken. Whether that is indeed, just doing more meditaton
or whatever it takes, the point is to not just to make the
stillness crack coccaine, but to use the spiritual discernment
to confront yourself thoroughly..
who will say that something is "subotimal"? Who decides that corrective actions need to be taken? Isn't that the mind that is judging it and takes the action? Because if you are just aware of it, you will not say it is suboptimal. The judging into positiv negativ etc. happens all in the mind. Without mind no good or evil.
You might read something in the self inquiry book about your topic(?) I didn't read it so far. I have still a looong way to go 
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Ananda
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Posted - May 08 2011 : 04:57:12 AM
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I use the term Self understanding instead of Self confrontation.
I wonder if you have read the works of Anthony De Mello, the book Awareness have been like a big waking up call and a slap in the face for me.
It's available for free, maybe you'd like to check it out:
http://www.awareness.tk/images/Awareness.pdf
Love,
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maheswari
Lebanon
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Posted - May 08 2011 : 10:46:46 AM
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| like Ananda said it is more about understanding ,,,what you confront and fight with comes back to you stronger...understanding leads to clarity and gentle persuasion which leads to change in due time.....but off course to get a genuine understanding one should have integrity vis a vis him/her self |
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kevincann
USA
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Posted - May 08 2011 : 11:01:09 AM
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What I call "self-confrontation" was indeed noisy back 40+ years ago.
Now it is simply a standard of zero-tolerance, that involves no thought or emotion.
It has become an instinct in my body.
Action is required? My body acts.
Thanks for the link Ananda. I will check it.
-Kev |
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