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Victor
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 Posted - Mar 29 2006 : 2:57:07 PM
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| I have never experienced any heartbeat irregularities. Doing kechari does seem to channel my breath in a different way as if it takes a more "internal" path but I have not experienced any breath or heart stoppage from kechari so far |
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david_obsidian
USA
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Posted - Mar 29 2006 : 10:47:36 PM
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Alvin,
I did hold the epiglottis closed.
What I meant was the effect of the extreme depth diminished over the days, and eventually I was no longer able to produce these results.
I have never (yet) had considerable sessation of heartbeat. I expect that if I cross further boundaries, my heartbeat will start to slow down too.
-D
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Alvin Chan
Hong Kong
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Posted - Mar 30 2006 : 03:12:29 AM
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What I meant was the effect of the extreme depth diminished over the days, and eventually I was no longer able to produce these results.
As the ability to hold breath for very long is a sign of slow metabolism and deep rest, it seems to mean that you're not having your meditation as deep as those days. How can that be? Is this because of your intensive meditation those days?
The ability to hold breath for 5 minutes or so is rather common for adepts in India. The book Hatha Yoga written by Theos Bernard (published in 1968)contains a description of the experiences of the author, who was a American scholar in the subject. The books is a rather objective and honest record as i see it. After a few years of training, the author can hold his breath for 5 minutes (though he usually hold it only for 3 mins).
By the way, that book is probably the first (1968!!) book in English to contain instructions on snipping/milking of the frenum. |
Edited by - Alvin Chan on Mar 30 2006 04:03:54 AM |
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Mar 30 2006 : 08:15:17 AM
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You can hold your breath for five minutes just by practicing. I used to hold mine almost that much because we had a swimming test where we had to swim the length of the pool underwater, so i practiced holding my breath.
I think i was up to four minutes when it was enough for the test. |
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Alvin Chan
Hong Kong
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Posted - Mar 30 2006 : 09:21:10 AM
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| In you case, Ether, is this done by extending it gradually with at least some strain? Still, i've to say you're rather talent on that to be able to hold it for 4 mins by training: I don't think many people can be trained to hold that long. |
Edited by - Alvin Chan on Mar 30 2006 09:40:14 AM |
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Lavazza
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Posted - Mar 30 2006 : 10:11:15 AM
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| Ether, that's amazing. I think my record was 35 or maybe 40 meters. I think that I could do 25 today, but I have not tried for 15-20 years. |
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david_obsidian
USA
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Posted - Mar 30 2006 : 11:23:43 AM
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Alvin said:
As the ability to hold breath for very long is a sign of slow metabolism and deep rest, it seems to mean that you're not having your meditation as deep as those days. How can that be? Is this because of your intensive meditation those days?
Yes, this kind of phenomenon is worth mentioning.
For a time after a positive transition into Inner Silence ( and/or/= the removal of a blockage ) some active 'karmas' become temporarily dormant and the mind/body often goes into a temporary state of extra-high consciousness. The karmas start to act again and there is a descent from that peak. The effect is like temporarily (in some aspects of yourself) going up ten steps and then down eight. You are left having gone up two, but have a nice preview of what is to come.
'Up and down' are indeed maybe not the best way of looking at it -- Another way of looking at it is the window becomes temporarily extraordinarily clean, then begins to get clouded again. Like looking through a car windscreen which is being wiped by windscreen-wipers in a rainstorm, but in slow motion.
In short, it wasn't that my meditation practice weakened, but rather that I was enjoying a very temporary advance.
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Shanti
USA
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Posted - Mar 30 2006 : 4:46:46 PM
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Hey Near,
Tell us some interesting experiences that you have had 
-Shanti. |
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Mar 30 2006 : 8:05:40 PM
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Alvin wrote:
"In you case, Ether, is this done by extending it gradually with at least some strain? Still, i've to say you're rather talent on that to be able to hold it for 4 mins by training: I don't think many people can be trained to hold that long."
Yes, I can't recommend my method because it might be bad for you, but what I did was hyperventilate first, then lie down and watch the clock while relaxing as much as possible. I could increase the time by maybe 10 seconds every day. At the end my body would start that automatic convulsing, trying to breathe. So I would try to stand that as long as I could also. It really came in handy a couple times when I got caught under turbulent water while trying to body surf huge storm waves.
Lavazza, our pool was no longer than 40 meters. It's just that you have to hold your breath for much longer lying still than when you're swimming because energy uses up the breath. I didn't mean I could swim for four minutes under water! You can usually do about half if you really swim with minimal energy. |
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Alvin Chan
Hong Kong
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Posted - Mar 31 2006 : 02:24:24 AM
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David wrote:
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In short, it wasn't that my meditation practice weakened, but rather that I was enjoying a very temporary advance.
The "up and down" fluctuations is understandable. It is common in other physical endeavors too. But when did you experience that? I don't think it's common to a temporary advance of, say, 2 years!
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I could increase the time by maybe 10 seconds every day.
Amazing!! But even if you or anyone recommend it to me, I won't try. I am worrying about any risk of damaging my brain. With appropriate preparation, I can hold for about 2 mins. But I didn't do it for a year, and I didn't aim for longer. By the way, you progress is considered to be VERY fast. Even 10 sec per week is rather good already.
The scriptures mentioned that when one can hold the breath for a few hours, something extraordinary could happen. Considering the fact that no one on earth can show this in public, I find the claims rather difficult to believe. |
Edited by - Alvin Chan on Mar 31 2006 02:58:54 AM |
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Lavazza
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Posted - Mar 31 2006 : 07:41:26 AM
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2.15 without hyperventaling at my first try here behind the computer after lunch. Not a nice experience, but curiosity got the better of me.
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Lavazza
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Posted - Mar 31 2006 : 07:52:33 AM
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| The world record in underwater swimming on one breath is 164 meters. The world record in underwater breath retention is a bit mor than 7 minutes. |
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Mar 31 2006 : 08:17:17 AM
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Alvin wrote:
"The scriptures mentioned that when one can hold the breath for a few hours, something extraordinary could happen."
Yes, you get to see God in person. Oh, did I mention you won't come back?
just joking, I'm sure Babaji can do that, but it's like all those other accounts of stuff that happens much later. Doesn't mean anything from where we are at now. |
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AYPforum
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Posted - Feb 07 2007 : 09:56:21 AM
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What are your experiences from Yoga?
