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alwayson2
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 Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 2:15:51 PM
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Has anyone noticed that for EVERY single thought, there is either affinity or aversion?
let me know if I am wrong |
Edited by - alwayson2 on Oct 26 2009 2:22:33 PM |
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standingstone
USA
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Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 3:35:46 PM
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If your saying each is positive or negative, what about neutral?
the thought: "I have to go to the store and get some eggs"
could have no major positive attraction or negative revulsion, it's just there. actually of the 50,000 thoughts the average person has each day, most are probably neutral
Im pretty sure 50,000 was an National Science Foundation statistic from a few years ago. |
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Konchok Ösel Dorje
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Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 6:16:36 PM
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| Sensations, thoughts, and feelings are either pleasant, neutral or painful. The mind responds to objects corresponding to these three: there are three modes the mind takes with respect to any object, attachment, aversion or confusion. The practice of meditation is to neither incline toward nor away from any..., By not so inclining one destroys attachment and aversion, gathers the mind and then makes a penetrative stab at confusion, and uproot the root of all affliction. |
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Jim and His Karma
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Posted - Oct 29 2009 : 1:15:19 PM
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Originally posted by alwayson2
Has anyone noticed that for EVERY single thought, there is either affinity or aversion?
let me know if I am wrong
It's a great observation. But the more useful one is to turn it around: where is affinity or aversion in the absence of thought? |
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Konchok Ösel Dorje
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Posted - Oct 29 2009 : 3:30:00 PM
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| Thought is always there. It is more useful to notice the phenomena as they are. |
Edited by - Konchok Ösel Dorje on Oct 29 2009 3:43:28 PM |
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alwayson2
USA
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Posted - Oct 29 2009 : 4:16:36 PM
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Originally posted by Jim and His Karma
quote:
Originally posted by alwayson2
Has anyone noticed that for EVERY single thought, there is either affinity or aversion?
let me know if I am wrong
It's a great observation. But the more useful one is to turn it around: where is affinity or aversion in the absence of thought?
Well MY understanding of Dzogchen (not official obviously) is that thoughts are not to be avoided.
Its about being centered in the NOW to such a degree (which is already and always "accomplished"), that thoughts sort of bounce off you without any affinity or aversion. |
Edited by - alwayson2 on Oct 29 2009 4:21:08 PM |
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Konchok Ösel Dorje
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Posted - Oct 29 2009 : 4:28:52 PM
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Stay with it.
When your mind neither grasps nor rejects, thoughts have no effect. Avoiding them is anti-meditation. Accepting them is anti-meditation. However, when in meditation, the thoughts dissolve. And one does rest in a thoughtless state. It is just wrong to be attached to this state and feel that it must be maintained. No grasping. |
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Jim and His Karma
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Posted - Oct 29 2009 : 8:10:54 PM
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Originally posted by Konchok Ösel Dorje
Thought is always there. It is more useful to notice the phenomena as they are.
I guess you read my posting as meaning "stop your mind and then see if you experience affinity or aversion".
That's not what I meant. I'm suggesting a classic self-inquiry. |
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Konchok Ösel Dorje
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Posted - Oct 30 2009 : 12:00:54 PM
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alwayson2
USA
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Posted - Oct 30 2009 : 3:55:28 PM
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Self-inquiry works, only in hindsight i.e. after you have realized non-duality.
I realized the non-dual, but I won't claim to have realized Dzogchen since I am not a Dzogchen practitioner. |
Edited by - alwayson2 on Oct 30 2009 6:41:33 PM |
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Jim and His Karma
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Posted - Oct 30 2009 : 7:28:05 PM
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Originally posted by Konchok Ösel Dorje
I am rejecting classic self-inquiry.
Duly noted. |
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Konchok Ösel Dorje
USA
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Posted - Oct 31 2009 : 11:16:16 AM
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The master asked, "Why?"
"What are you talking about?" replied disciple.
"There is nothing. Do you understand?"
Disciple responds, "Yes."
"No you don't." |
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