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Katrine
Norway
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 Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 07:53:32 AM
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Hi Miguel
Are you doing Spinal Breathing Pranayama? |
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Etherfish
USA
3615 Posts |
Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 09:28:00 AM
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yes about leaving your environment;
For years I tried that, leaving family behind and losing contact, moving, changing jobs, changing friends etc. Everything seemed to stay the same!
But when I changed things inside through meditation, the whole world seemed to change, and with very little effort!
The power is in doing practices consistently over a long period of time.
Castaneda wrote about this. Remember Don Juan saying there were aliens who live in a different time frame than us? And that a year to us is only an hour to them, or something like that. And those consciousnesses are not aware of us unless we do something consistently and for a long time.
Daily practices is what he was talking about. It doesn't matter if you have trouble doing them, and if five minutes twice a day is all you can do that's OK. But be consistent. And do grounding activities if the energy is too much, like exercise, digging, planting, helping people worse off than yourself. |
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miguel
Spain
1197 Posts |
Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 10:07:21 AM
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Hi Katrine.
No,im not doing pranayama.Only DM or breathing meditation (some days).5 mtes twice a day.I was stable one month with 5 mtes dm,but not totally stable,i felt a little disconfort very much days,only a little.Good sleeping in the night,without bad dreams,no energy highs...
But maybe i must do 5 mtes once a day dm.dont know...
I have been only two days 10 mtes 2 a day and inmediatly energy highs,bad feelings,lot of strange dreams at night,very tired along the day.I have stopped.Ill return to 5 mtes next saturday or sunday.I m not doing yoga now (since yesterday).
Maybe im not prepared for yoga...can i advance with only 5 mtes??¿
I think a slow develop,dont you think?people here who does 20 mtes twice a day have a more fast advance,dont you think its logical?
Why some persons are too sensitive to practices???
When i began 2 years ago with yoga i hadnt this sensitive to practices,it seems the more time pass in my path,the more sensitive i get...
Maybe im paying for mistakes in the past?before starting ayp i was in kriya yoga doing very,very much sadhanna (pranayama,mantras,meditation...)ignorance about self pacing...
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Edited by - miguel on Apr 17 2009 10:11:59 AM |
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miguel
Spain
1197 Posts |
Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 10:16:48 AM
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Yes ether,and thanks.I have lot of grounding i think:job,helping my family at home,jogging,walking,some teathre,studying english for CFE...i know i could have more grounding,but one year and a half i returned to the city where i grew up,with my family after 5 years studying in Madrid,spain...im in a readaptation prcess,i left my life in madrid and now im trying to rebuild my life here...not easy...
Thanks,
daily practice over long term sounds good to me,i have been one month stable with 5 mtes twice a day.Practicing every day.spiritual path is very important for me,because i only dont see changes in me,i see changes in the people around too.Im a better person each day,now daily effort have a sense for me,i give more from me to others,more reponsability,less egoism,.This happens over the long term
I think when you leave your world,problem go with you,they follow you,because are you who are suffering,and life is teaching you that lessons.You cant avoid life.
I went away from my own city to madrid for studying,but at the same time for leaving my problems in my old city.Over five years,the old problems i was trying to forget,appeared in madrid,with other faces,other persons,other circunstances...you cant scape from your self.I learned that.
I asked god about the suffering in my life and its sense,and he answered showing me other persons that suffer more than me. (not mine this quote,but has lot of sense for me) |
Edited by - miguel on Apr 17 2009 10:32:31 AM |
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Jack
United Kingdom
305 Posts |
Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 12:45:30 PM
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Hey miguel,
Haha, suspected that might click with you at some level. You appear to be very similar to me.
"Could you help me with father,males and my own power?any advice?"
I would suggest reading the book, "No More Mr. Nice Guy", by Dr. Robert Glover.
Despite the garish, in-your-face title, this book is filled with mature insight, advice, and exercises that may help you if you are anything at all like me.
If you don't want to fork out for the book, I will share a couple of the exercises from it - but it is well worth the investment.
Until then, just rememer that all people possess all qualities. Some we identify with, some we repress - but we do indeed contain all.
A bully might identify with aggression and repress his inner child and his vulnerability. His labels others who display these qualities as weak, pussies, etc., He may have trouble with intimacy and relationships.
A 'sensitive new age man' might identify with light & love & peace, but be at odds with his passion, his power, his force. Then he sees other men as unruly, barbaric, and selfish because he does not understand, allow, and channel these energies in himself. He may have trouble with working with other men, maintaining sexual attraction, and plotting his course through life.
Psychological integration is always appropriate. This was a tough lesson for me to swallow, and I'm still working on it.
Be well,
Jack |
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miguel
Spain
1197 Posts |
Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 1:07:28 PM
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Thanks Jack.Now,i remember you talked to me about that book.Now im more interested in it.Here in spain is difficult to buy it.Ill look for e book in internet.
thanks,what you are talking about have lot of sense for me. |
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Konchok Ösel Dorje
USA
545 Posts |
Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 2:42:45 PM
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Originally posted by stevenbhow
Hello Konchok Osel Dorje,
What is your opinion on the many householder Tibetan yogins? There seems to be a very long tradition of this in Tibet. Though they all did meditation retreats of various lengths many of them were also husbands and fathers through out their lives. Just curious what you think since you obviously have a lot of knowledge and experience with Tibetan Buddhism.
Hi you can call me Ösel. Of course Marpa was a householder buddha. I don't mean leave the house, like reside in a mountain. I'm advising Miguel to get out from daddy's house and be his own man.
Simply laying around daddy's casa, watching porn and masturbating before "I AM" practice is not going to do anything beneficial.
Attachment is merely a mental construct. A figment of the mind. In fact, there is nothing to attach to, and no one holding the clasp.
True meditation is resting in the natural state of the mind without hope. You can do that when you are meditating; or you can do that at a sidewalk cafe. Or you can do that while facing down death. There is no pre-set condition when these practices must be done.
The great Yogis of any sort must have experience with the natural state. So they do retreats. Once one has a clear view, then meditation can happen in any condition. Society provides ample supply of situations which generate strong energy for use in a meditation practice.
This is something I'm only now learning to utilize. I myself have a dangerous and high pressure profession. In my daily life, I experience powerful emotional states, like wrath and terror.
My lama has taught me to examine my mind in these states, to stay with the energy. My limited experience with this method has proven to me that situations provide ample fuel to enhance one's wisdom awareness, meaning intuition and siddhis.
In other words, one one has a little experience in meditation, society can be a boon to higher accomplishments. So coming into a clear view of the nature of mind should be a high priority for anyone seeking high level of accomplishment.
This is not for the weak hearted, really. If your mind simply wants peace and bliss, then stay with that. For me it's just starting to register how arduous the bodhisattva path really is.
It's something people have to really want and seek out from even their past lives. I understand why the high lamas are so hesitant to take students. Powerful wisdom energies, dakinis and deities come into your midst and change your life, except that its you channelling and choosing them.
It's like "oh you want to volunteer? Okay here's your first mission."
It's a huge challenge. But so awe inspiring at the same time.
Love you all... |
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miguel
Spain
1197 Posts |
Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 2:53:05 PM
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"Simply laying around daddy's casa, watching porn and masturbating before "I AM" practice is not going to do anything beneficial."
hahahahaha Osel,that sentence was great haha you are a genious
Tonight ill take the first step after two years: going out with friends.I have decided coming back to the world.Ill continue with ayp from this new perspective on earth and my sadhanna will be better ans smoothly.They are new friends,and have an open mind,i think,i talked to them about spirituality and they liked the conversation,they were interested.It surprised me...life gives me all i need in every moment...its great
Aum.
PS:Daddys casa? casa is a spanish word!why did you use it?
Im glad about your presence in this forum,and your advices are interesting, i think.Thanks. |
Edited by - miguel on Apr 17 2009 3:09:30 PM |
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Jack
United Kingdom
305 Posts |
Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 6:32:03 PM
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Yeah, Konchok Ösel Dorje advice is true.
I am indeed a 'samsaric being' - take or leave my advice as you will.
If you wish to investigate this aspect of life and deal with it in a worldly way, feel free to chat!
If it is your time to cut straight to the source and follow the holy life, by all means ignore me and talk with our friend Konchok Ösel Dorje here.
In my case, I was very keen to chase the latter whilst still having unresolved issues from the former, something I am now learning to deal with.
Best,
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karl
United Kingdom
1812 Posts |
Posted - Apr 18 2009 : 05:28:55 AM
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Originally posted by Konchok Ösel Dorje
quote:
Originally posted by stevenbhow
Hello Konchok Osel Dorje,
What is your opinion on the many householder Tibetan yogins? There seems to be a very long tradition of this in Tibet. Though they all did meditation retreats of various lengths many of them were also husbands and fathers through out their lives. Just curious what you think since you obviously have a lot of knowledge and experience with Tibetan Buddhism.
Hi you can call me Ösel. Of course Marpa was a householder buddha. I don't mean leave the house, like reside in a mountain. I'm advising Miguel to get out from daddy's house and be his own man.
Simply laying around daddy's casa, watching porn and masturbating before "I AM" practice is not going to do anything beneficial.
Attachment is merely a mental construct. A figment of the mind. In fact, there is nothing to attach to, and no one holding the clasp.
True meditation is resting in the natural state of the mind without hope. You can do that when you are meditating; or you can do that at a sidewalk cafe. Or you can do that while facing down death. There is no pre-set condition when these practices must be done.
The great Yogis of any sort must have experience with the natural state. So they do retreats. Once one has a clear view, then meditation can happen in any condition. Society provides ample supply of situations which generate strong energy for use in a meditation practice.
This is something I'm only now learning to utilize. I myself have a dangerous and high pressure profession. In my daily life, I experience powerful emotional states, like wrath and terror.
My lama has taught me to examine my mind in these states, to stay with the energy. My limited experience with this method has proven to me that situations provide ample fuel to enhance one's wisdom awareness, meaning intuition and siddhis.
In other words, one one has a little experience in meditation, society can be a boon to higher accomplishments. So coming into a clear view of the nature of mind should be a high priority for anyone seeking high level of accomplishment.
This is not for the weak hearted, really. If your mind simply wants peace and bliss, then stay with that. For me it's just starting to register how arduous the bodhisattva path really is.
It's something people have to really want and seek out from even their past lives. I understand why the high lamas are so hesitant to take students. Powerful wisdom energies, dakinis and deities come into your midst and change your life, except that its you channelling and choosing them.
It's like "oh you want to volunteer? Okay here's your first mission."
It's a huge challenge. But so awe inspiring at the same time.
Love you all...
Hi Konchok Ösel Dorje,
I read and want to understand more about where you are coming from and too ?
High pressure/dangerous job......was it this that prompted you to follow a path ?
I want to know what you mean by the statement about volunteering and why you consider it a hard route, what brings you to those conclusions.
Your post indicates a lot of mystical parts, something I have found has reduced with DM. At first the experience was mind blowing and now it is just peaceful like sitting under a shady tree in the sun.
I personally do not seek a particular direction in this, other than to graduate from where I am at any point, even if I cannot perceive a change. I have never considered that it might lead to anything in my lifetime, although it might be helpful in dealing with things on a day to day basis and give deeper insights. Your post suggest that it is 'other' than that for you, something far more specific ? |
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