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Neptune
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 Posted - Jan 29 2009 : 2:26:03 PM
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Just thought I'd drop you a line on other practices that might be of some interest outside of the core Yogani-recommended practices.
We get lots of posts from kundalini active people who need no further enhancements beyond their core practices. But I suspect we have lots of visitors to this websit who do not experience noticable energetic kundalini effects with the basic practices for whatever reason, and for them, there are other modalities that could work. Many of these ideas are known to most folks around this website. Here are a few areas from my practice that could be beneficial. I came upon these by trial and error over the last ten years since a spontaneous awakening out of the blue.
1. Trataka: stare at each of Dr. Jonn Mumford's Tattwa cards until your eyes water, then close the eyes and rest in the akashic space which is a virtual space extending out within your field of inner vision. See fleeting landscapes. This will be very energetic eventually. These are called "Magic Tattwa Cards" and available on Amazon.com
2. Bija petal mantras of the chakras. These can be recited aloud while laying flat on your bed. These fifty sounds are recited in sequence once or twice daily. Each time takes roughly 10 minutes.
Harish Johari published an audio CD of these sounds and you can learn them off the CD. Also available at Amazon.com
3. Gayatri mantra. India Times has a nice CD of this mantra being chanted 100 times. This is a good way to learn this mantra, and can be chanted 50 times in about twenty minutes as a basic module of practice. This is also available at Amazon.com
I get the feeling that kundalini inactive folks, and there must be many, try the Yogani program and maybe don't get any tangible results and maybe then go away from any practices out of frustration. I think older individuals experience a gradual and natural decrease in energetic flows due to the gradual dying process that we are all experiencing, and might benefit from a little boost compared to the average young Yogani program practitioner who is just seething with sexuality and hormonal activity. The latter folks probably walk around with erections all day like we all remember doing when we were young. Those people don't need this yogic viagra of which I am speaking.
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scottfitzgerald
USA
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Posted - Jan 29 2009 : 5:44:34 PM
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Neptune-
All good things to consider adding at times. I would look at those additions as going under the hood and adding a larger fuel intake, a four barrel, and maybe even changing the gear ratio of the car itself. Never read about reciting the petal seeds, but the other two are sure oft mentioned. Perhaps the reason they are not part of the basic AYP routine is they either add too much energy into the mix, or they are covered by other practices.
I know I have spent many periods pushing harder than prudent self pacing would call for, and have paid for it, primarily in my emotional life. During those times I perhaps would have enjoyed the danger I could create for myself with those additions...Gayatri especially. However, I have found a growing sense of "no big deal" with practices. Kind of Jim and His Karma brushing his teeth feeling. That detachment, with the simple but powerful practices here are more than enough now.
We may all be in the dying process, and there may be a natural drop off in the Hormonal Frenzy, but I have found the practices have created a better balance with the hormones. They are certainly there, but used for a higher purpose (most of the time) and the sex drive gets transmuted to a life-drive.
And I would bet we are not all young, full of piss and vinegar types here. I am 42. There, I put it in print and admitted it. I'm maturing. Guess I should consider getting new pajamas now--ones without self contained socks and Spiderman prints on them. |
Edited by - scottfitzgerald on Jan 29 2009 5:45:55 PM |
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Neptune
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Posted - Jan 29 2009 : 7:27:27 PM
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Hi Fitz,
Am not surprised by your comments above this, which are the usual position taken here with regards other practices outside what Mr. Yogani has wrapped up in his program.
I realize your comments are directed more at the readership which may include beginners, in order to warn them away from other practices which could somehow lead them away from your "core practices".
With your car analogy of turbochargers and dual carbs, you seem to make me sound (and feel) like Frankenstein, with his head under the hood (where it should not be according to your implications). I must admit that the chakras, all the way on up to and including cosmic consciousness, all in all, are the most astounding and spectacular investigation of humanity and beyond. I love all of that.
To suggest that all of that should remain off limits deprives one of the particulars of classic mysticism. Too bad for those who follow that admonition, out of fear of the unknown.
What concerns me the most about your comments however, is that you suggest that Gayatri, a highly devotional, ancient, and time honored practice, could be "dangerous". That is a totally preposterous idea that I have been told here before. Perhaps the "danger" is in finding how devotional it is despite being "Other Systems of Spiritual Practice".
Nevertheless, let's agree to disagree on all of this. We just want each other to do well in their quest, and to benefit all of humanity directly and indirectly in our lives and pursuits.
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Edited by - Neptune on Jan 30 2009 4:55:52 PM |
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anthony574
USA
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Posted - Jan 31 2009 : 11:04:09 AM
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I think that it depends on the individual, something that yogani has recently addressed in his thread about AYP modifications. Some people are suited MORE to the AYP fundamental approach to not fiddling around specifically with certain chakras and things. Other people have MORE to gain from doing this because of their own matrix of obstructions. It would be silly to imply that no one, especially on this forum, ever gained anything from working with specific chakras or seeking out "under the hood practices".
I think it really depends on the person. I believe, personally, that both types of person could theoretically fair well with AYP or UTH (under-the-hood). One person might gain little from UTH, someone else could find exactly what they needed. The great thing about AYP is that it does not discourage the UTH practices, Yogani just believes in starting with the fundamentals layed out in the lessons for a while to get solid and let them sink in before trying to decide what else you should tinker with (if at all). And if you do some tinkering, AYP is always present when you get sick of being under the hood and want to just kick on the radio and cruise  |
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glagbo
USA
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Posted - Feb 01 2009 : 02:55:28 AM
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Hi:
In my limited understanding, Once the Core AYP Deep Meditation and Pranayama Techniques are stabilized in daily practices, the whole field of research in human awareness is wide open for our investigation and validation.
My current daily Base Pratices is the AYP System. I do often practice the Gayatri Mantra, along with a few other additions. I do it as an additional research module in an expanded AYP Samyama routine with three rounds or so of the Gayatri Mantra as closing sutras. I also listen to it and sing it.
In addition to its energy promoting effects, I find a stabilizing and integrating effect of the Gayati mantra on the awareness during activity.
The devotional aspects are also there. Through Gayatri, I am now discovering Prayer, Relational (Samyama-type) Prayer. I am just now re-learning to appreciate also The Lord's Prayer and Al Fatiha. I often incorporate a few minutes of a form of the Sufi Zikr, reminicent of a combination of Heart Breathing and Dynamic Jalandara or Thokar.
They say that Gayatri is the seed of the Veda, a gift from the Rishis of Yore, to be planted in a fertile Silence of human awareness to grow into the whole Veda.
It is said: Be in the Silence and Know me as the Source of all.
So let us Learn how To be in the Silence by practicing Deep Meditation. Let us learn to promote clearing energy pathways through Pranayama. Let us Learn to Pray Relationally (from our Silence) by practicing Samayma.
So Please let us give the Gayatri maximum respect; Give the Lord's Prayer maximum respect; Give Al Fatiha Maximum respect. They are seeds of Unity from Unity to us. They are our spiritual DNA code to be claimed by each, and cultivated to fruition (hopefully).
Give AYP maximum respect! It is AN OPEN SOURCE/System of Practices. Let's not circumscribe and freeze it: it wishes to expand and evolve; Certainly Not willy-nilly, but to update and grow, just the same.
Glagbo.
Experimenting and self-pacing from the ATL, GA.
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Edited by - glagbo on Feb 02 2009 7:31:50 PM |
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scottfitzgerald
USA
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Posted - Feb 01 2009 : 09:57:05 AM
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Neptune-
Thanks for editing. I understand your response much better now.
And yes, your assertions are correct, in that folks new to the practice would do well to build with the basics, in that they can be very powerful--I do understand they may need "variations" at times, which can lever a new space open to dive into for a while.
My regular AYP practices are all I need right now, however I tend to forget the growth that came with diversity of sitting, breathing, CDs, Yantra staring, Gayatri/Ganesh/OM's, chanting, tibetan bowls, incense, etc that I have attempted through the years. You are exactly on target in that many blockages can be chipped away or blasted through when utilizing other practices--they are all "not this and not that" vector pushes that get us closer to the self.
Forgive me for a percieved puritan stance. My ego must have reared its head for a moment.
Referring to Gayatri--it has been a most wonderful growth tool, helping me to learn to let go and let the mantra absorb all. It has opened a whole new arena of bhakti in me. To say it is dangerous would be wrong. To say that it could create a whirlwind of blissful energy that may prove to be overwhelming to some, I think, would be more correct. Could that be dangerous. Maybe in the way walking through a darkened house too quickly could be...maybe a bump or bruise, but most likely not a trip to the ER. :)
Big love-
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Neptune
99 Posts |
Posted - Feb 06 2009 : 2:50:22 PM
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Thanks Scott,
I like your clarifications too.
Maybe I better back away at least for a while from your forums. Sorry if I have rubbed anyone the wrong way.
It disrupts my quietude as well for me to be weighing in...here. And recriminating with myself for going against the flow here, and making observations that are beyond what people need, or want to hear. Toodle loo for the time being Scott and everyone. Time will tell if I return this way again.
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CarsonZi
Canada
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Posted - Feb 06 2009 : 3:10:44 PM
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No offense Neptune, but isn't that like taking your ball and going home? No one wants you to leave the forums, and I hope you don't! All perspectives are welcome here, and if they aren't they are moderated out, so......I for one hope that you stick around. I enjoy reading what you post.
Love,
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Guy_51
USA
170 Posts |
Posted - Feb 06 2009 : 7:16:59 PM
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Peace |
Edited by - Guy_51 on Feb 06 2009 7:57:00 PM |
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Ananda
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Posted - Feb 07 2009 : 03:47:44 AM
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Neptune all of your inputs are welcome, but sorry if this is harsh comment but it seems as if you are labelling most aypyers like close minded followers which is definitely not correct.
ayp is an open system and all of us here come from different traditions, and most of us are still practicing in between and we are all open to learn something new.
live and let live! |
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gumpi
United Kingdom
546 Posts |
Posted - Feb 07 2009 : 11:18:07 AM
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I see no problem with the original post. I think it is positive and helpful.
Isn't it true that there are people starting yoga immediately with AYP and not getting many results? I have certainly seen this on the forum. Perhaps it is better for such persons to start with the bare basics like you would get at a regular hatha yoga class. Remember, most of the posters on this forum have been doing yoga for many years before they came here.
There is probably something else involved in kundalini awakening also, which is "God". There should be a seperate topic for this in particular. I just don't feel as though "God" as been adequately spoken about on these forums and it might help a lot of people. |
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yogibear
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Posted - Feb 08 2009 : 11:40:46 AM
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Hi Neptune,
I am curious how one knows if they are kundalini active or not. What are the bare minimum signs and symptoms of this or criteria by which one can say, "Ha, I am a kundalilni active person?" Is it a gradient type of thing or an all or nothing kind of thing? Once you have an experience of kundalini awakening can it go dormant again and then you are no longer a kundalini active person? Or is it a 'once a kundalini active person then always a kundalini active person' kind of a thing?
Thanks, yb. |
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