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Ananda
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 Posted - Jan 22 2009 : 4:05:19 PM
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hi yogani,
after reading your latest lesson on "samyama and prayer", i wondered about karma and it's relation to samyama.
now i've read a lot of stuff about karma yoga and heard about it from other people and practiced it myself daily and it actually led me into quite a few undesirable states every now and then.
the thing is that in general concerning our karmas it is said that we all have to bear them and when a saint or a spiritual man relieves someone from their bad karmas (pain, desease, spiritual possession...) they usually get quite a share of that themselves even though to a lesser degree but still it's not such an easy ride when they took on the other person's karmas on them.
and we have seen that done by a lot of beautiful saints.
i've actually been there myself but never mind you i'm not a saint not even close to it but when i'm asked for help i can't refuse and i admit it something takes over me when i'm doing that work but still afterwards i experience i usually experience a share of that pain or spiritual attack myself.
now concerning samyama i know that it's effective in daily life; i've experienced it first hand, but still i haven't experienced it's effects while using it in a form of prayer nor have i had the same replies and heard about the scenery i used to hear about from the people whom i used to help by the use of prayer...
what i mean to ask is: is there a relation between samyama prayer and other people karmas? and if yes what makes it different than the usual concept of a saint bearing the fruits of other people's karmas after purifying them for these people?
kindest regards,
Ananda |
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yogani
USA
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Posted - Jan 23 2009 : 12:01:32 PM
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Hi Ananda:
The dynamic involved in samyama, prayer, karma yoga and even self-inquiry, is that all of these things find their effectiveness and fruition in the rise of abiding inner silence.
Before then, these kinds of activities will be more involved with mind, emotions and the flow of energies back and forth. Then they are more transactional (this for that, one object for another), rather than "relational in stillness," which is an endless outpouring. The outpouring is the result of the application of the principles of samyama, which underlies all of these practices mentioned. It is the rise of stillness in action on all levels of our daily life.
Do energies still flow when we are moving into stillness, when it is the process of samyama - intentions surrendered in stillness? Yes, and we may see some depletion, or challenging karma flowing. At the same time, the further we progress in our practices and our inner purification and opening, the less we will be touched as these reactions occur, and we will learn to self-pace when the reactions are too much.
As we grow with our practices and their effects in daily living, there will be a mixture in the purity of our actions, gradually evolving toward more outflowing of stillness in action, and less action producing reaction. We will know by the increasing joy we find before, during and after our spontaneous acts of service, and fewer challenging karmic reflections coming back. This is another way of saying that the more advanced we become, the more we can handle.
Another way of looking at this process of transformation is as a rising innate ability to transform all karmas in and around us to a more immediate evolutionary purpose. Then it will not matter what karma is coming back. It will automatically be transformed into a positive influence, and not weigh on us as before. That is the power of mature abiding inner silence that has been activated and is moving in daily living. This is discussed in the AYP Bhakti and Karma Yoga book.
Along the way at every stage on our path, we are called according to our capacity, and usually more. We do all that we can, and self-pace the rest, so we can come back to serve another day. 
All the best!
The guru is in you.
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Ananda
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Posted - Jan 24 2009 : 06:59:27 AM
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thk you for the reply my kind sir.
all the best,
Ananda |
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soni12
India
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Posted - Jan 06 2010 : 01:26:35 AM
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| hi anada can you tell me what is Samyama the only i know about Samyama is Samyama is a state where your awareness has reached a point - where you clearly know - you are fully aware that you are not the body, you are not the mind, you are not the world i think it is the right definition of Samyama yoga therapy |
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Ananda
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Posted - Jan 06 2010 : 02:27:47 AM
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hi soni, and welcome to the forums.
sorry i can't read what's in the link but i saw the website and i really do like them Sivananda people some of them are the best in the yoga business here in Leb.
concerning samyama it's more than what you said, it's beyond knowledge and what you're talking about is the state of witness and you need to be in that state to a certain degree in order for samyama practice to work.
in a few words samyama is: "stillness in action."
now if you wanna know more about it from the boss himself, than i suggest you check this out:
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....OPIC_ID=2141
kindest regards,
Ananda |
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porcupine
USA
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Posted - Jun 19 2010 : 11:32:47 PM
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| there is no karma |
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porcupine
USA
193 Posts |
Posted - Jun 19 2010 : 11:34:27 PM
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| the saints do not take on excessive negativity from the healings that they do because they are manifestations of God, it simply disappears it is gone, maybe it was never there.. |
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Ananda
3115 Posts |
Posted - Jun 20 2010 : 12:53:21 AM
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Dear Porcupine i can give a lot of examples like those of Milarepa and Ramana Maharshi which come to mind, but then again that would lead us into a big useless debate which we are really better off...
Love
Ananda |
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abhijit
India
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Posted - Apr 26 2011 : 10:58:55 PM
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| does the practice of kriya dissolve the prarabda karma too |
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maheswari
Lebanon
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Posted - May 02 2011 : 10:32:15 AM
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nothing dissolves prarabdha karma
guru grace may soften it if there is genuine personal purusharta (personal effort)
just practice without waiting for something in return |
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