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david_obsidian
USA
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 Posted - Sep 12 2005 : 3:10:49 PM
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A question arises in my mind on seeing this lesson
http://www.aypsite.org/272.html
Here goes :
Is pornography/erotica necessarily bad?
And should we try to stop it if so?
-David
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Victor
USA
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Posted - Sep 12 2005 : 4:44:16 PM
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| personally i don't think that it is necessarily bad but it IS druglike and can certainly be a trap or an attractive nuisance. Since it is obviously not going to go away and since where there is desire the means to satisfy it will come it seems to me that by just accepting it the temptation should go away as it becomes no big deal. That is what happened to me anyway. I was fascinated by it for awhile and then with no one to object to it I became bored and the desire went away. |
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asone
Australia
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Posted - Dec 12 2005 : 8:07:23 PM
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I don't know whether anything is intrincically "bad", or whether everything has it's place in this world etc etc... big question and I'm only a beginner.
But on a smaller scale..
personally I would not place erotica and porn into the same box.
Perhaps it is personal semantics but porn to me has an overlaying enrgisitic characteristic that appears to be more to do with power, control over, etc.
Erotica is something different. For example .. some of the old Asian, Indian paintings etc which are a celebration, a form of worship, an insight into the divine...
Having been involved with someone with addictions, including porn, myself.. my views are no doubt coloured by this experience and not necessarily an accurate reflection but... There was a change in the way this person interacted. Power and objectification of people became an issue. Subtle and not so subtle energisitic and behavioural changes. Some related to addiction in general, but some more specific to this particular area.
I think that porn, in the way it portrays people as objects, in the way it plays a part in reinforcing social and economic inequality, in the effects upon those working in the industry, and in the at times appalling treatment and work conditions of those within the industry, is highly likely to have an effect on "consumers" even if not realised consciously. All of this does come through in some way in the "product".
Does that make any sense? I don't know if it is any part of an answer it is just where I see things at the moment.
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Frank-in-SanDiego
USA
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Posted - Dec 12 2005 : 9:16:40 PM
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Hari OM
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Hello Folks,
interesting topic... How I look at it ( again for me at this stage of a spiritual pursuit) - does it cause more attachment? does it help me advance or decline in my progress?
For me, the senses act within the field of the senses. This causes more attachment, and more work.
"Good and bad" are relative terms as we have all bantered about many times... its basically how much sattva, tamas and rajas are in the mix. There are social questions, but I will leave that to the more informed.
Peace,
Frank In San Diego
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mystiq
India
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Posted - Dec 13 2005 : 11:13:44 AM
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My humble observation is that watching porn if it is detached and doesnt end up in an orgasm or release is not so bad, and can sometimes even boost energy, but it should in no way disturb meditation or spiritual practice or dilute the purity of the mind
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AYPforum
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Posted - Feb 05 2007 : 8:52:34 PM
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anthony574
USA
549 Posts |
Posted - Apr 21 2007 : 8:15:02 PM
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| I have also had the same problem. I was pretty into it as well, but naturally leaned away from it with my spiritual practices. However, now when I dabble in Tantric sex and practice alone, I find that I need visual stimulation and often replay pornographic scenes or fantsies in my mind...and it seems harmless enough because there isn;t the danger of addiction, however in theory, its almost the same thing. Although I do not think it is inherently bad, and even can be a good release of taboo sexual desires, I think there is a lot to be said about the untainted mind who has never been exposed to porn, particularly of the hardcore variety, and ca simply imagine a genuine beautiful moment of sexual desire and passion with no kinks and perversions. |
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anthony574
USA
549 Posts |
Posted - Apr 22 2007 : 10:45:52 AM
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| I know there is something to be said of the variety of sex that can be experienced now, S&M, roleplaying, a billion other things and that's all great. What I am saying is that me personally, I think it would be cool to have never been exposed to any superexagerrated ideas of what sex be to the end that "regular" intercourse or simply the idea of penetration itself becomes all the more amazing and novel. |
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soundsleep
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Posted - Oct 15 2007 : 12:35:49 PM
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| Porn. if definitely bad, please see reuniting.info. Nude photography/erotica is a different story. MetArt.com is a good example of non-pornographic nude photography, porn. can cause impotence and addiction. |
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anthony574
USA
549 Posts |
Posted - Oct 15 2007 : 1:23:40 PM
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| I read a book on nueroplasticity called The Brain That Changes Itself and it had a lot of information on pornography and its effects on the brain and behavoir. I could really relate to it. It talked about how the porn industry functions like a hard drug dealer and starts you off on a lighter note - soft core and such - and then slowly works you up to fetishism. I found this to be the case full-on with me. It began with simple curiosity at a young age watching softcore porn on HBO, which seems harmless - I just wanted to know what a female body looks like - and over years and years it grew into internet and I "discovered" fetishes and deviances I "never knew I had"...but it suggests that in most cases you didn't "have" it, it was implanted or integrated in the same way a dealer will often have to sell higher doses and an addict becomes desensitized. I have been able to abstain from porn for a little while now and I am noticing the nueroplatic effects kicking in because I have a harder time recalling the old images to mind and I think my sexuality is returning to baseline - by which I mean I enjoy the act of sex itself and the emotioanl communion and I don't have depraved notions (at least not as many :-)) I think erotica is one thing if it is to diplay the human body and artistically portray sex between humans...but porn is a different story. It really can screw with your notions of what sex should be and then good luck finding an STD-free female who is willing to do the things you have ingrained in your head! |
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soundsleep
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Posted - Oct 16 2007 : 4:13:49 PM
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| Anthony574. I agree with you, what would you consider porn. to be? What would you define as erotica, and art? |
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avatar186
USA
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Posted - Oct 16 2007 : 4:31:14 PM
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Once i completly turned my sexual energy upwards, all erotic thoughts and desiers vanished! so much i didnt even notice.
though porn, i find actually seeing it, makes the out flow stronger, like desiering a women, or somthing externally that way.
This makes the outer vibration stronger. |
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avatar186
USA
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Posted - Oct 16 2007 : 4:32:37 PM
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| oh yes, one more thing, the problem with using porn to stimulate the self. is one has to know were to stop. and even though one knows, one must do. ya know? |
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At Ur Mercy
Netherlands
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Posted - Oct 27 2007 : 11:40:37 PM
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There are differences between porn and porn. Especially now with free amateursites like youporn, the exploitation aspect for example is non-existant. I don't really see a problem watching a girl masturbating on a video she uploaded herself beacause she likes it.
If I watch this sort of video's I don't even masturbate normally. I just let the energy in the base chakra's come alive and then manipulate it into the higher chakra's [by breathing and just letting the energy flow - that sounds very vague but you get the idea]. Ok, maybe I do a little nipple stimulation on and off, but for me it's esentially about kickstarting the flow of energy. Just like when you sit in Siddhasana, only now its not a rolled up sock but a visual image that fires up the energy ;)
Then after some time I just stop watching, do a couple of final very loose SBP-breaths, a short grounding [forward bend, back bend, standing firm on your legs - only takes a minute] and that's it. There is no problem 'knowing when to stop' because there has not been any direct stimulation of the genitals and the energy is not stored up there because of my letting it flow through the body anyway.
This is not to say that I promote the watching of video's of this kind. As I said, using your rolled up sock, or traditional Siddhasana is just as good for awaking the energies, haha. But for the people that have a habit of watching porn, this is I think the way to go. Get the attention away from the genitals, see your reaction to the visual imagery as the reaction Sidshasana provokes in you. This also prevents the growing of the outer vibration [as Avater called it].
Oh, what also helps is: If you have watched porn, do your routine of Spinal breathing and meditation immediatly afterwards. Your routine will probably be very 'quiet'. Or, maybe a better way to say it: if you want to watch porn sometime, do it right before your routine. [than the routine is the anchorpoint instead of the porn ;)]
And always self-pace. During the porn do only a very 'loose' spinal breathing, just to get the energy flowing. Especially if you planned the porn watching in with your SBP and meditation routine. |
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