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70 From: "nearoanoke" <nearoanoke@yahoo.com> Date: Mon Mar 7, 2005 0:48am Subject: Karma Yoga with AYP nearoanoke Offline Send Email The goal of all meditation or spiritual practices or AYP should be in doing good and becoming good. Isnt it? It should be. Otherwise our lives can go onto the dangerous side with these powerful practices in our hand. There is every possibility of misusing them if we dont decide within ourselves to be good.
AYP can give us powers, can give us control, can give us the ability to "be cool". At the same time we should also use it to make our conscience stronger. I do recollect Yogani saying that AYP practices will naturally make us more good too but still I think we need to put efforts from our own side. Atleast thats some scale on which we can test our progress. Am I less selfish today compared to yesterday is the question we need to ask ourselves everyday.
Ofcourse whenever i try to be good and unselfish, my genetical obstructions and my past life karma obstructions will come in the way. I wont force myself and do good against these. But I gently try to push the limits and see if I can be unselfish. Thats how I test myself. With increasing meditation practices everyday, slowly I feel we will become more unselfish and more of divine nature.
Please share your opinions on what you think about karma yoga and AYP
Thanks, Near 72 From: Ram Narayan Gupta <rngupta31@yahoo.co.in> Date: Mon Mar 7, 2005 7:20am Subject: Re: Karma Yoga with AYP rngupta31 Send IM Send Email Dear Brother ! I 100% endorse yout views. The very purpose of life is peace, happiness,kind & compassionate unselfish, unconditional. Regards, R N Gupta
nearoanoke <nearoanoke@yahoo.com> wrote:
The goal of all meditation or spiritual practices or AYP should be in doing good and becoming good. Isnt it? It should be. Otherwise our lives can go onto the dangerous side with these powerful practices in our hand. There is every possibility of misusing them if we dont decide within ourselves to be good.
AYP can give us powers, can give us control, can give us the ability to "be cool". At the same time we should also use it to make our conscience stronger. I do recollect Yogani saying that AYP practices will naturally make us more good too but still I think we need to put efforts from our own side. Atleast thats some scale on which we can test our progress. Am I less selfish today compared to yesterday is the question we need to ask ourselves everyday.
Ofcourse whenever i try to be good and unselfish, my genetical obstructions and my past life karma obstructions will come in the way. I wont force myself and do good against these. But I gently try to push the limits and see if I can be unselfish. Thats how I test myself. With increasing meditation practices everyday, slowly I feel we will become more unselfish and more of divine nature.
Please share your opinions on what you think about karma yoga and AYP
Thanks, Near
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 73 From: "Nuno Godinho" <eu@nunogodinho.com> Date: Mon Mar 7, 2005 8:09am Subject: RE: Karma Yoga with AYP nfgodinho Offline Send Email Dear Near,
I believe you are confusing two very different levels of goodness.
One is, what I believe to be yours, in which one is sincerely full of good intentions and sometimes eventually doesn't work hard enough. This kind of person does try to be good and being aware of this need to act good is a great thing.
The other is that of people who are cynical and couldn't care less about being good. This accounts or lots of people who keep talking about being good but don't act like that. People who pretend to be nice but then don't care about the means to reach their goals. I already met a lot of these people who talk about yoga, spiritual development and being good and seem really convinced about this but then move in the opposite direction.
The latter are the people who can misuse the "powers" you talk about. I wouldn't worry with the first ones. So, there isn't much one can do about the cynical people and I can't see how your warning will reach them.
Bye, Nuno
> -----Original Message----- > From: nearoanoke [mailto:nearoanoke@yahoo.com] > Sent: segunda-feira, 7 de Margo de 2005 5:49 > To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AYPforum] Karma Yoga with AYP > > > > The goal of all meditation or spiritual practices or AYP > should be in doing good and becoming good. Isnt it? It should > be. Otherwise our lives can go onto the dangerous side with > these powerful practices in our hand. There is every > possibility of misusing them if we dont decide within > ourselves to be good. > > AYP can give us powers, can give us control, can give us the > ability to "be cool". At the same time we should also use it > to make our conscience stronger. I do recollect Yogani saying > that AYP practices will naturally make us more good too but > still I think we need to put efforts from our own side. > Atleast thats some scale on which we can test our progress. > Am I less selfish today compared to yesterday is the question > we need to ask ourselves everyday. > > Ofcourse whenever i try to be good and unselfish, my > genetical obstructions and my past life karma obstructions > will come in the way. I wont force myself and do good against > these. But I gently try to push the limits and see if I can > be unselfish. Thats how I test myself. With increasing > meditation practices everyday, slowly I feel we will become > more unselfish and more of divine nature. > > Please share your opinions on what you think about karma yoga and AYP > > Thanks, > Near > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> What would our lives be like without > music, dance, and theater? > Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/pkgkPB/SO...AA/bpSolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------~-> > > For the AYP Lessons and Books, go to: > http://www.geocities.com/advancedyogapractices > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > 74 From: Satish <satishc_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Mon Mar 7, 2005 8:36am Subject: RE: Karma Yoga with AYP satishc_1999 Offline Send Email ......friends.....sorry to interupt...... the very 1sr thing i would like to mention .......that......there are .......no 'levels' ...these r all "created" by us........."THE MOTHER NATURE HAS ALL AT SAME LEVEL".......as per the performance..... .....We....all......have been created to serve a specific purpose (not yet known to us) within a specified time (our life span)......if we can not....chances r given.....again and agian..........WHY?......WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS PLAY?....... THE SOUL PORPOSE OF OUR BEINGNESS here IS TO FIND WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL AND HOW TO ACHIVE IT.
Nuno Godinho <eu@nunogodinho.com> wrote: Dear Near,
I believe you are confusing two very different levels of goodness.
One is, what I believe to be yours, in which one is sincerely full of good intentions and sometimes eventually doesn't work hard enough. This kind of person does try to be good and being aware of this need to act good is a great thing.
The other is that of people who are cynical and couldn't care less about being good. This accounts or lots of people who keep talking about being good but don't act like that. People who pretend to be nice but then don't care about the means to reach their goals. I already met a lot of these people who talk about yoga, spiritual development and being good and seem really convinced about this but then move in the opposite direction.
The latter are the people who can misuse the "powers" you talk about. I wouldn't worry with the first ones. So, there isn't much one can do about the cynical people and I can't see how your warning will reach them.
Bye, Nuno
> -----Original Message----- > From: nearoanoke [mailto:nearoanoke@yahoo.com] > Sent: segunda-feira, 7 de Margo de 2005 5:49 > To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AYPforum] Karma Yoga with AYP > > > > The goal of all meditation or spiritual practices or AYP > should be in doing good and becoming good. Isnt it? It should > be. Otherwise our lives can go onto the dangerous side with > these powerful practices in our hand. There is every > possibility of misusing them if we dont decide within > ourselves to be good. > > AYP can give us powers, can give us control, can give us the > ability to "be cool". At the same time we should also use it > to make our conscience stronger. I do recollect Yogani saying > that AYP practices will naturally make us more good too but > still I think we need to put efforts from our own side. > Atleast thats some scale on which we can test our progress. > Am I less selfish today compared to yesterday is the question > we need to ask ourselves everyday. > > Ofcourse whenever i try to be good and unselfish, my > genetical obstructions and my past life karma obstructions > will come in the way. I wont force myself and do good against > these. But I gently try to push the limits and see if I can > be unselfish. Thats how I test myself. With increasing > meditation practices everyday, slowly I feel we will become > more unselfish and more of divine nature. > > Please share your opinions on what you think about karma yoga and AYP > > Thanks, > Near > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> What would our lives be like without > music, dance, and theater? > Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/pkgkPB/SO...AA/bpSolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------~-> > > For the AYP Lessons and Books, go to: > http://www.geocities.com/advancedyogapractices > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 75 From: "Nuno Godinho" <eu@nunogodinho.com> Date: Mon Mar 7, 2005 8:45am Subject: RE: Karma Yoga with AYP nfgodinho Offline Send Email I also agree that mother nature has all at same level. Nevertheless if we are talking about behaviors we must be able to qualify and quantify. I am not saying that people who act badly in their lives deserve less love from others or are forever in a lower level. That was not my intention at all. Nevertheless one can distinguish one person who unconsciously does a selfish act but regrets it when becomes aware if it from another one who keeps doing them aware of the harm that it does on others. These are different levels. I am not judging the people in their nature, I am judging their behavior patterns.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Satish [mailto:satishc_1999@yahoo.com] > Sent: segunda-feira, 7 de Margo de 2005 13:36 > To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AYPforum] Karma Yoga with AYP > > > ......friends.....sorry to interupt...... > the very 1sr thing i would like to mention > .......that......there are .......no 'levels' > ...these r all "created" by us........."THE MOTHER NATURE HAS > ALL AT SAME LEVEL".......as per the performance..... > .....We....all......have been created to serve a specific > purpose (not yet known to us) within a specified time (our > life span)......if we can not....chances r given.....again > and agian..........WHY?......WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS PLAY?....... > THE SOUL PORPOSE OF OUR BEINGNESS here IS TO FIND WHAT IS > REQUIRED FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL AND HOW TO ACHIVE IT. > > Nuno Godinho <eu@nunogodinho.com> wrote: > Dear Near, > > I believe you are confusing two very different levels of goodness. > > One is, what I believe to be yours, in which one is sincerely > full of good intentions and sometimes eventually doesn't work > hard enough. This kind of person does try to be good and > being aware of this need to act good is a great thing. > > The other is that of people who are cynical and couldn't care > less about being good. This accounts or lots of people who > keep talking about being good but don't act like that. People > who pretend to be nice but then don't care about the means to > reach their goals. I already met a lot of these people who > talk about yoga, spiritual development and being good and > seem really convinced about this but then move in the > opposite direction. > > The latter are the people who can misuse the "powers" you > talk about. I wouldn't worry with the first ones. So, there > isn't much one can do about the cynical people and I can't > see how your warning will reach them. > > Bye, > Nuno > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nearoanoke [mailto:nearoanoke@yahoo.com] > > Sent: segunda-feira, 7 de Margo de 2005 5:49 > > To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AYPforum] Karma Yoga with AYP > > > > > > > > The goal of all meditation or spiritual practices or AYP > should be in > > doing good and becoming good. Isnt it? It should be. Otherwise our > > lives can go onto the dangerous side with these powerful > practices in > > our hand. There is every possibility of misusing them if we dont > > decide within ourselves to be good. > > > > AYP can give us powers, can give us control, can give us > the ability > > to "be cool". At the same time we should also use it to make our > > conscience stronger. I do recollect Yogani saying that AYP > practices > > will naturally make us more good too but still I think we > need to put > > efforts from our own side. > > Atleast thats some scale on which we can test our progress. > > Am I less selfish today compared to yesterday is the > question we need > > to ask ourselves everyday. > > > > Ofcourse whenever i try to be good and unselfish, my genetical > > obstructions and my past life karma obstructions will come > in the way. > > I wont force myself and do good against these. But I gently try to > > push the limits and see if I can be unselfish. Thats how I test > > myself. With increasing meditation practices everyday, > slowly I feel > > we will become more unselfish and more of divine nature. > > > > Please share your opinions on what you think about karma > yoga and AYP > > > > Thanks, > > Near > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > --------------------~--> What would our lives be like > without music, > > dance, and theater? > > Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/pkgkPB/SO...AA/bpSolB/TM > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------~-> > > > > For the AYP Lessons and Books, go to: > > http://www.geocities.com/advancedyogapractices > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the AYP Lessons and Books, go to: > http://www.geocities.com/advancedyogapractices > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AYPforum/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AYPforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms > of Service. > > > Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> What would our lives be like without > music, dance, and theater? > Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/pkgkPB/SO...AA/bpSolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------~-> > > For the AYP Lessons and Books, go to: > http://www.geocities.com/advancedyogapractices > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > 78 From: Satish <satishc_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Mon Mar 7, 2005 9:00am Subject: RE: Karma Yoga with AYP satishc_1999 Offline Send Email ..who r we to judge the levels?............do we have our own standards?........and ....if yes.......on what basis?...... .....we are all in the hands of of our creater........which.who is not known to us yet........we have no option but to follow his/her/its desire........and thats the life.......ALAS!
Nuno Godinho <eu@nunogodinho.com> wrote:
I also agree that mother nature has all at same level. Nevertheless if we are talking about behaviors we must be able to qualify and quantify. I am not saying that people who act badly in their lives deserve less love from others or are forever in a lower level. That was not my intention at all. Nevertheless one can distinguish one person who unconsciously does a selfish act but regrets it when becomes aware if it from another one who keeps doing them aware of the harm that it does on others. These are different levels. I am not judging the people in their nature, I am judging their behavior patterns.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Satish [mailto:satishc_1999@yahoo.com] > Sent: segunda-feira, 7 de Margo de 2005 13:36 > To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AYPforum] Karma Yoga with AYP > > > ......friends.....sorry to interupt...... > the very 1sr thing i would like to mention > .......that......there are .......no 'levels' > ...these r all "created" by us........."THE MOTHER NATURE HAS > ALL AT SAME LEVEL".......as per the performance..... > .....We....all......have been created to serve a specific > purpose (not yet known to us) within a specified time (our > life span)......if we can not....chances r given.....again > and agian..........WHY?......WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS PLAY?....... > THE SOUL PORPOSE OF OUR BEINGNESS here IS TO FIND WHAT IS > REQUIRED FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL AND HOW TO ACHIVE IT. > > Nuno Godinho <eu@nunogodinho.com> wrote: > Dear Near, > > I believe you are confusing two very different levels of goodness. > > One is, what I believe to be yours, in which one is sincerely > full of good intentions and sometimes eventually doesn't work > hard enough. This kind of person does try to be good and > being aware of this need to act good is a great thing. > > The other is that of people who are cynical and couldn't care > less about being good. This accounts or lots of people who > keep talking about being good but don't act like that. People > who pretend to be nice but then don't care about the means to > reach their goals. I already met a lot of these people who > talk about yoga, spiritual development and being good and > seem really convinced about this but then move in the > opposite direction. > > The latter are the people who can misuse the "powers" you > talk about. I wouldn't worry with the first ones. So, there > isn't much one can do about the cynical people and I can't > see how your warning will reach them. > > Bye, > Nuno > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nearoanoke [mailto:nearoanoke@yahoo.com] > > Sent: segunda-feira, 7 de Margo de 2005 5:49 > > To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [AYPforum] Karma Yoga with AYP > > > > > > > > The goal of all meditation or spiritual practices or AYP > should be in > > doing good and becoming good. Isnt it? It should be. Otherwise our > > lives can go onto the dangerous side with these powerful > practices in > > our hand. There is every possibility of misusing them if we dont > > decide within ourselves to be good. > > > > AYP can give us powers, can give us control, can give us > the ability > > to "be cool". At the same time we should also use it to make our > > conscience stronger. I do recollect Yogani saying that AYP > practices > > will naturally make us more good too but still I think we > need to put > > efforts from our own side. > > Atleast thats some scale on which we can test our progress. > > Am I less selfish today compared to yesterday is the > question we need > > to ask ourselves everyday. > > > > Ofcourse whenever i try to be good and unselfish, my genetical > > obstructions and my past life karma obstructions will come > in the way. > > I wont force myself and do good against these. But I gently try to > > push the limits and see if I can be unselfish. Thats how I test > > myself. With increasing meditation practices everyday, > slowly I feel > > we will become more unselfish and more of divine nature. > > > > Please share your opinions on what you think about karma > yoga and AYP > > > > Thanks, > > Near > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 80 From: "Nuno Godinho" <eu@nunogodinho.com> Date: Mon Mar 7, 2005 9:14am Subject: RE: Karma Yoga with AYP nfgodinho Offline Send Email Well, I do try to avoid being moralist and be aware that all my judgements are relative to my limited reality and can be wrong. Nevertheless if I see someone consciously doing something in order to prejudice someone else I can objectively say that it is wrong. I may still accept the idea that at a karmic level maybe it had to happen. But objectively one can have an opinion on that.
Tell me, imagine that you know for sure that someone took money from you. When you ask him he tells you that he didn't take any money from you. He lied. Independently of the consequences of that lie and independently of the context now you know that that person can lie to you. You can still be his friend if you understand his context and that doesn't make him necessarily a bad person. But he lied and that is a bad action.
Last year I went to Dharamsala in India and listened to the Dalai Lama teachings. At some point he said something really interesting: one should distinguish the "doer" from the "deed". That means one should judge the actions but never judge the person.
So I believe I can judge levels of behaviors even if I CANNOT judge levels of people.
Nuno
> -----Original Message----- > From: Satish [mailto:satishc_1999@yahoo.com] > Sent: segunda-feira, 7 de Margo de 2005 14:00 > To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AYPforum] Karma Yoga with AYP > > > ..who r we to judge the levels?............do we have our own > standards?........and ....if yes.......on what basis?...... > .....we are all in the hands of of our > creater........which.who is not known to us yet........we > have no option but to follow his/her/its desire........and > thats the life.......ALAS! > > Nuno Godinho <eu@nunogodinho.com> wrote: > > I also agree that mother nature has all at same level. > Nevertheless if we are talking about behaviors we must be > able to qualify and quantify. I am not saying that people who > act badly in their lives deserve less love from others or are > forever in a lower level. That was not my intention at all. > Nevertheless one can distinguish one person who unconsciously > does a selfish act but regrets it when becomes aware if it > from another one who keeps doing them aware of the harm that > it does on others. These are different levels. I am not > judging the people in their nature, I am judging their > behavior patterns. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Satish [mailto:satishc_1999@yahoo.com] > > Sent: segunda-feira, 7 de Margo de 2005 13:36 > > To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AYPforum] Karma Yoga with AYP > > > > > > ......friends.....sorry to interupt...... > > the very 1sr thing i would like to mention > .......that......there are > > .......no 'levels' > > ...these r all "created" by us........."THE MOTHER NATURE > HAS ALL AT > > SAME LEVEL".......as per the performance..... > > .....We....all......have been created to serve a specific > purpose (not > > yet known to us) within a specified time (our life span)......if we > > can not....chances r given.....again and > agian..........WHY?......WHAT > > IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS PLAY?....... > > THE SOUL PORPOSE OF OUR BEINGNESS here IS TO FIND WHAT IS > REQUIRED FOR > > EVERY INDIVIDUAL AND HOW TO ACHIVE IT. > > > > Nuno Godinho <eu@nunogodinho.com> wrote: > > Dear Near, > > > > I believe you are confusing two very different levels of goodness. > > > > One is, what I believe to be yours, in which one is > sincerely full of > > good intentions and sometimes eventually doesn't work hard enough. > > This kind of person does try to be good and being aware of > this need > > to act good is a great thing. > > > > The other is that of people who are cynical and couldn't care less > > about being good. This accounts or lots of people who keep talking > > about being good but don't act like that. People who pretend to be > > nice but then don't care about the means to reach their goals. I > > already met a lot of these people who talk about yoga, spiritual > > development and being good and seem really convinced about this but > > then move in the opposite direction. > > > > The latter are the people who can misuse the "powers" you > talk about. > > I wouldn't worry with the first ones. So, there isn't much > one can do > > about the cynical people and I can't see how your warning > will reach > > them. > > > > Bye, > > Nuno > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: nearoanoke [mailto:nearoanoke@yahoo.com] > > > Sent: segunda-feira, 7 de Margo de 2005 5:49 > > > To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AYPforum] Karma Yoga with AYP > > > > > > > > > > > > The goal of all meditation or spiritual practices or AYP > > should be in > > > doing good and becoming good. Isnt it? It should be. > Otherwise our > > > lives can go onto the dangerous side with these powerful > > practices in > > > our hand. There is every possibility of misusing them if we dont > > > decide within ourselves to be good. > > > > > > AYP can give us powers, can give us control, can give us > > the ability > > > to "be cool". At the same time we should also use it to make our > > > conscience stronger. I do recollect Yogani saying that AYP > > practices > > > will naturally make us more good too but still I think we > > need to put > > > efforts from our own side. > > > Atleast thats some scale on which we can test our progress. > > > Am I less selfish today compared to yesterday is the > > question we need > > > to ask ourselves everyday. > > > > > > Ofcourse whenever i try to be good and unselfish, my genetical > > > obstructions and my past life karma obstructions will come > > in the way. > > > I wont force myself and do good against these. But I > gently try to > > > push the limits and see if I can be unselfish. Thats how I test > > > myself. With increasing meditation practices everyday, > > slowly I feel > > > we will become more unselfish and more of divine nature. > > > > > > Please share your opinions on what you think about karma > > yoga and AYP > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > --------------------~--> What would our lives be like > > without music, > > > dance, and theater? > > > Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/pkgkPB/SO...AA/bpSolB/TM > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------~-> > > > > > > For the AYP Lessons and Books, go to: > > > http://www.geocities.com/advancedyogapractices > > > Yahoo! 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Terms > of Service. > > > > > http://www.higherawareness.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> In low income neighborhoods, 84% do > not own computers. > At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/S.QlOD/3M...AA/bpSolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------~-> > > For the AYP Lessons and Books, go to: > http://www.geocities.com/advancedyogapractices > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > 82 From: Satish <satishc_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Mon Mar 7, 2005 9:26am Subject: RE: Karma Yoga with AYP satishc_1999 Offline Send Email Dear fellower, .........u said it very right....... "one should distinguish the "do'er" from the "deed". That means one should judge the actions but never judge the person." .....now ......... ..try to understand why that "do'er" is doing the "deeds"........is because of YOUR PAST KARMA'......or "HIS"?......... .......remember "Karma" of each-one "BINDS" other.........for to 'pay or to receive'
Nuno Godinho <eu@nunogodinho.com> wrote:
Well, I do try to avoid being moralist and be aware that all my judgements are relative to my limited reality and can be wrong. Nevertheless if I see someone consciously doing something in order to prejudice someone else I can objectively say that it is wrong. I may still accept the idea that at a karmic level maybe it had to happen. But objectively one can have an opinion on that.
Tell me, imagine that you know for sure that someone took money from you. When you ask him he tells you that he didn't take any money from you. He lied. Independently of the consequences of that lie and independently of the context now you know that that person can lie to you. You can still be his friend if you understand his context and that doesn't make him necessarily a bad person. But he lied and that is a bad action.
Last year I went to Dharamsala in India and listened to the Dalai Lama teachings. At some point he said something really interesting: one should distinguish the "doer" from the "deed". That means one should judge the actions but never judge the person.
So I believe I can judge levels of behaviors even if I CANNOT judge levels of people.
Nuno
> -----Original Message----- > From: Satish [mailto:satishc_1999@yahoo.com] > Sent: segunda-feira, 7 de Margo de 2005 14:00 > To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AYPforum] Karma Yoga with AYP > > > ..who r we to judge the levels?............do we have our own > standards?........and ....if yes.......on what basis?...... > .....we are all in the hands of of our > creater........which.who is not known to us yet........we > have no option but to follow his/her/its desire........and > thats the life.......ALAS! > > Nuno Godinho <eu@nunogodinho.com> wrote: > > I also agree that mother nature has all at same level. > Nevertheless if we are talking about behaviors we must be > able to qualify and quantify. I am not saying that people who > act badly in their lives deserve less love from others or are > forever in a lower level. That was not my intention at all. > Nevertheless one can distinguish one person who unconsciously > does a selfish act but regrets it when becomes aware if it > from another one who keeps doing them aware of the harm that > it does on others. These are different levels. I am not > judging the people in their nature, I am judging their > behavior patterns. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Satish [mailto:satishc_1999@yahoo.com] > > Sent: segunda-feira, 7 de Margo de 2005 13:36 > > To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AYPforum] Karma Yoga with AYP > > > > > > ......friends.....sorry to interupt...... > > the very 1sr thing i would like to mention > .......that......there are > > .......no 'levels' > > ...these r all "created" by us........."THE MOTHER NATURE > HAS ALL AT > > SAME LEVEL".......as per the performance..... > > .....We....all......have been created to serve a specific > purpose (not > > yet known to us) within a specified time (our life span)......if we > > can not....chances r given.....again and > agian..........WHY?......WHAT > > IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS PLAY?....... > > THE SOUL PORPOSE OF OUR BEINGNESS here IS TO FIND WHAT IS > REQUIRED FOR > > EVERY INDIVIDUAL AND HOW TO ACHIVE IT. > > > > Nuno Godinho <eu@nunogodinho.com> wrote: > > Dear Near, > > > > I believe you are confusing two very different levels of goodness. > > > > One is, what I believe to be yours, in which one is > sincerely full of > > good intentions and sometimes eventually doesn't work hard enough. > > This kind of person does try to be good and being aware of > this need > > to act good is a great thing. > > > > The other is that of people who are cynical and couldn't care less > > about being good. This accounts or lots of people who keep talking > > about being good but don't act like that. People who pretend to be > > nice but then don't care about the means to reach their goals. I > > already met a lot of these people who talk about yoga, spiritual > > development and being good and seem really convinced about this but > > then move in the opposite direction. > > > > The latter are the people who can misuse the "powers" you > talk about. > > I wouldn't worry with the first ones. So, there isn't much > one can do > > about the cynical people and I can't see how your warning > will reach > > them. > > > > Bye, > > Nuno > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: nearoanoke [mailto:nearoanoke@yahoo.com] > > > Sent: segunda-feira, 7 de Margo de 2005 5:49 > > > To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AYPforum] Karma Yoga with AYP > > > > > > > > > > > > The goal of all meditation or spiritual practices or AYP > > should be in > > > doing good and becoming good. Isnt it? It should be. > Otherwise our > > > lives can go onto the dangerous side with these powerful > > practices in > > > our hand. There is every possibility of misusing them if we dont > > > decide within ourselves to be good. > > > > > > AYP can give us powers, can give us control, can give us > > the ability > > > to "be cool". At the same time we should also use it to make our > > > conscience stronger. I do recollect Yogani saying that AYP > > practices > > > will naturally make us more good too but still I think we > > need to put > > > efforts from our own side. > > > Atleast thats some scale on which we can test our progress. > > > Am I less selfish today compared to yesterday is the > > question we need > > > to ask ourselves everyday. > > > > > > Ofcourse whenever i try to be good and unselfish, my genetical > > > obstructions and my past life karma obstructions will come > > in the way. > > > I wont force myself and do good against these. But I > gently try to > > > push the limits and see if I can be unselfish. Thats how I test > > > myself. With increasing meditation practices everyday, > > slowly I feel > > > we will become more unselfish and more of divine nature. > > > > > > Please share your opinions on what you think about karma > > yoga and AYP > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > --------------------~--> What would our lives be like > > without music, > > > dance, and theater? > > > Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/pkgkPB/SO...AA/bpSolB/TM > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------~-> > > > > > > For the AYP Lessons and Books, go to: > > > http://www.geocities.com/advancedyogapractices > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the AYP Lessons and Books, go to: > > http://www.geocities.com/advancedyogapractices > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AYPforum/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > AYPforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 84 From: Satish <satishc_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Mon Mar 7, 2005 9:34am Subject: RE: Karma Yoga with AYP satishc_1999 Offline Send Email Hi brother, when u say......"I believe I can judge levels of behaviors even if I CANNOT judge levels of people.".....its an achivment.......keep going......
Nuno Godinho <eu@nunogodinho.com> wrote:
Well, I do try to avoid being moralist and be aware that all my judgements are relative to my limited reality and can be wrong. Nevertheless if I see someone consciously doing something in order to prejudice someone else I can objectively say that it is wrong. I may still accept the idea that at a karmic level maybe it had to happen. But objectively one can have an opinion on that.
Tell me, imagine that you know for sure that someone took money from you. When you ask him he tells you that he didn't take any money from you. He lied. Independently of the consequences of that lie and independently of the context now you know that that person can lie to you. You can still be his friend if you understand his context and that doesn't make him necessarily a bad person. But he lied and that is a bad action.
Last year I went to Dharamsala in India and listened to the Dalai Lama teachings. At some point he said something really interesting: one should distinguish the "doer" from the "deed". That means one should judge the actions but never judge the person.
So I believe I can judge levels of behaviors even if I CANNOT judge levels of people.
Nuno
> -----Original Message----- > From: Satish [mailto:satishc_1999@yahoo.com] > Sent: segunda-feira, 7 de Margo de 2005 14:00 > To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [AYPforum] Karma Yoga with AYP > > > ..who r we to judge the levels?............do we have our own > standards?........and ....if yes.......on what basis?...... > .....we are all in the hands of of our > creater........which.who is not known to us yet........we > have no option but to follow his/her/its desire........and > thats the life.......ALAS! > > Nuno Godinho <eu@nunogodinho.com> wrote: > > I also agree that mother nature has all at same level. > Nevertheless if we are talking about behaviors we must be > able to qualify and quantify. I am not saying that people who > act badly in their lives deserve less love from others or are > forever in a lower level. That was not my intention at all. > Nevertheless one can distinguish one person who unconsciously > does a selfish act but regrets it when becomes aware if it > from another one who keeps doing them aware of the harm that > it does on others. These are different levels. I am not > judging the people in their nature, I am judging their > behavior patterns. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Satish [mailto:satishc_1999@yahoo.com] > > Sent: segunda-feira, 7 de Margo de 2005 13:36 > > To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AYPforum] Karma Yoga with AYP > > > > > > ......friends.....sorry to interupt...... > > the very 1sr thing i would like to mention > .......that......there are > > .......no 'levels' > > ...these r all "created" by us........."THE MOTHER NATURE > HAS ALL AT > > SAME LEVEL".......as per the performance..... > > .....We....all......have been created to serve a specific > purpose (not > > yet known to us) within a specified time (our life span)......if we > > can not....chances r given.....again and > agian..........WHY?......WHAT > > IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS PLAY?....... > > THE SOUL PORPOSE OF OUR BEINGNESS here IS TO FIND WHAT IS > REQUIRED FOR > > EVERY INDIVIDUAL AND HOW TO ACHIVE IT. > > > > Nuno Godinho <eu@nunogodinho.com> wrote: > > Dear Near, > > > > I believe you are confusing two very different levels of goodness. > > > > One is, what I believe to be yours, in which one is > sincerely full of > > good intentions and sometimes eventually doesn't work hard enough. > > This kind of person does try to be good and being aware of > this need > > to act good is a great thing. > > > > The other is that of people who are cynical and couldn't care less > > about being good. This accounts or lots of people who keep talking > > about being good but don't act like that. People who pretend to be > > nice but then don't care about the means to reach their goals. I > > already met a lot of these people who talk about yoga, spiritual > > development and being good and seem really convinced about this but > > then move in the opposite direction. > > > > The latter are the people who can misuse the "powers" you > talk about. > > I wouldn't worry with the first ones. So, there isn't much > one can do > > about the cynical people and I can't see how your warning > will reach > > them. > > > > Bye, > > Nuno > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: nearoanoke [mailto:nearoanoke@yahoo.com] > > > Sent: segunda-feira, 7 de Margo de 2005 5:49 > > > To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [AYPforum] Karma Yoga with AYP > > > > > > > > > > > > The goal of all meditation or spiritual practices or AYP > > should be in > > > doing good and becoming good. Isnt it? It should be. > Otherwise our > > > lives can go onto the dangerous side with these powerful > > practices in > > > our hand. There is every possibility of misusing them if we dont > > > decide within ourselves to be good. > > > > > > AYP can give us powers, can give us control, can give us > > the ability > > > to "be cool". At the same time we should also use it to make our > > > conscience stronger. I do recollect Yogani saying that AYP > > practices > > > will naturally make us more good too but still I think we > > need to put > > > efforts from our own side. > > > Atleast thats some scale on which we can test our progress. > > > Am I less selfish today compared to yesterday is the > > question we need > > > to ask ourselves everyday. > > > > > > Ofcourse whenever i try to be good and unselfish, my genetical > > > obstructions and my past life karma obstructions will come > > in the way. > > > I wont force myself and do good against these. But I > gently try to > > > push the limits and see if I can be unselfish. Thats how I test > > > myself. With increasing meditation practices everyday, > > slowly I feel > > > we will become more unselfish and more of divine nature. > > > > > > Please share your opinions on what you think about karma > > yoga and AYP > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Near > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > --------------------~--> What would our lives be like > > without music, > > > dance, and theater? > > > Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/pkgkPB/SO...AA/bpSolB/TM > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------~-> > > > > > > For the AYP Lessons and Books, go to: > > > http://www.geocities.com/advancedyogapractices > > > Yahoo! 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