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Shanti
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 Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 1:23:44 PM
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Thanks EMC.
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Originally posted by Sparkle
I find this very interesting, the way a thought arises in meditation. One could say the thought triggered the awakening but how did the thought arrive, i.e. was it a result of a thought process going on at the time, or did it just pop in out of the blue?
and was what followed, similar to a samyama experience?
I dunno Louis :). I am not good at the "under the hood" stuff. Maybe someone else has an answer?
I have known for awhile I had to get over the issue I stated above.. however it was pretty painful and very hard to inquire into. So, no, I don't think it popped out of the blue.. however when I was reading the book I had no clue that that line had anything to do with my "letting go".
There was another line in the book the Alchemist.. "When you want something, all the universe conspires to help you achieve it".
I have seen, when you know what you want, and give up the attachment to it, everything falls in place to reveal the way to achieve it. The trick is to let go. So you may have something in what you say above.. "similar to a samyama experience". |
Edited by - Shanti on Sep 10 2007 1:26:07 PM |
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Sparkle
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Posted - Sep 10 2007 : 3:17:51 PM
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Ok sorry for introducing analysis into such a beautiful way of "being".
I'm often curious where thoughts that pop in during meditation come from. Whether it is out of inner silence and out of the intelligent love energy or out of the ego mind, or whether there is a cross over between to two.
There is no doubt that no matter which way it works, the essential ingredient is inner silence.
All the best and congrats on your luuuuuuuving |
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emc
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Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 05:37:52 AM
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There was another line in the book the Alchemist.. "When you want something, all the universe conspires to help you achieve it".
I have seen, when you know what you want, and give up the attachment to it, everything falls in place to reveal the way to achieve it. The trick is to let go. So you may have something in what you say above.. "similar to a samyama experience".
To me that is the law of attraction... still the mind wanting, finding a way to play the game in existence.
Oh, how wonderful to completely and utterly let go of trying to rule the play in any way... peace entering when no wantings occupy the mind... when all is total, complete and perfect as it is. No thoughts needed. Just happening as an urge to act on if they have truth in them, and seen as shadows of air if they are unreal.
No decisions to make, ever! No responsibilities but to stay true and stay home. True integrity. Stillness constantly creating the living of life. Love embracing it all.
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Anthem
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Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 08:45:36 AM
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Originally posted by emc
To me that is the law of attraction... still the mind wanting, finding a way to play the game in existence.
Hi EMC,
The law itself is what it is, but I agree completely, consciously trying to use and apply it, is the mind at work trying to fulfill desires. This is tricky business and keeps us away from what Is.
It's funny, my mother asked me to visualize her "getting" this house she had been looking at the other day and I felt on some level like I couldn't understand why to do this. Yes I understand the theory, to help her create the reality she thinks she wants, but deep down, I wanted only to ask for life to bring her exactly what she truly needs. How could I or her know for certain that this house is the best thing for her? Maybe it has a cracked foundation, who knows? I'd rather leave it up to the universe.
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Oh, how wonderful to completely and utterly let go of trying to rule the play in any way... peace entering when no wantings occupy the mind... when all is total, complete and perfect as it is. No thoughts needed. Just happening as an urge to act on if they have truth in them, and seen as shadows of air if they are unreal.
No decisions to make, ever! No responsibilities but to stay true and stay home. True integrity. Stillness constantly creating the living of life. Love embracing it all.
Beautifully said.
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emc
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Posted - Sep 11 2007 : 10:20:30 AM
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Thank you, Andrew,
Yes, the law of attraction is just a detail in the design - it is what it is.
Interesting with your mother... what is her true needs? Is it a house? Is it ever anything on the outside? Or is she provided in the moment, which is always, with everything she truly needs? That is in other words... she never needs anything more than she currenty has... isn't that possible? |
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gentlep
USA
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Posted - Sep 18 2007 : 12:58:24 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Sparkle
I find this very interesting, the way a thought arises in meditation. One could say the thought triggered the awakening but how did the thought arrive, i.e. was it a result of a thought process going on at the time, or did it just pop in out of the blue?
For me that's an "insight" rather than a "thought." Thought I think is what comes from the lower mind, it keeps running, makes you worry etc. And insight comes from the higher mind. The difference is suddenly it seems like a flash and you go AA-HA! |
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Jim and His Karma
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Posted - Sep 19 2007 : 11:19:45 PM
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Ack, i missed the renewed activity in this thread and Shanti's wonderful posting.
This is GREAT, Shanti, you did indeed break through on this, and it's fantastic to hear (also good you still sound grounded...some folks get a bit woo-woo). It's funny...when you're ready to "get" something, ANYTHING can set you off. A book, a song, a flower. Since love is everywhere, there's unending prodding going on wherever you go!
Flex this new muscle often, it's definitely a use-it-or-lose-it thing (though, again, meditation would bring you there eventually). A great inspiration is the Metta Sutta (see: http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....OPIC_ID=2438 )
Work to make it your default, knee-jerk reaction (it's hard...we keep lapsing into old habits, particularly in stressful moments). One warning: it's extremely important that you realize the love is not originating from you. It's bigger than you. You're just the transformer. The Sufis believe that the ultimate purpose of mankind is to serve as transformers for this divine loving current. Whether or not that's literally true, it's beautiful and by far the best way to conceive it (if you've got to conceive it at all). If you believe that you're zapping the world with your love gun, offering something that's your's ("in here") to others ("out there"), that's a very nasty trap in nine different ways. You're a wire conducting this stuff. If you want to be hatha about it, your spine is that wire (did you just get a buzz?).
I'd suggest that in addition to practicing this, that you self-observe and learn from this insight....from your newfound ability to refine pure love without associative objects. The notion of refinement (not just of love) is a big spiritual key. For one thing, you will get mileage out of rereading all of Yogani's writings, and applying your newfound understaning anywhere he uses the word "refine". That will open up all sorts of interesting things (this is why it's helpful to also own his e-books...word searches are easy).
A deeper understanding of the notion of refinement can eventually be applied to consciousness itself. Just as love can simply be, same for consciousness. Consciousness can just be, without reference to any thought, memory, or perception. In fact, that's the very fabric of it all. We're swimming in it. And the flavor of that consciousness is....love (and it's delicious!).
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