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742 From: "odevroed" <olivier.devroede@tiscali.be>
Date: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:05am
Subject: A few newbee questions. odevroed
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Hi all,
I read the material and started doing the exercises. It is great.
However, in the lectures, it is said that the vibratory quality of the
mantra is important. So I ask myself how it should be pronunced. is it
like the english 'I am', or is it more like in Dutch (My mother
tongue) => I is pronounced like the 'ee' in tree, A is pronounced like
the a in "Bath" (unlike in bad).
I know that in some traditions it is like that.
Also some traditions elongate all the syllables (IIIIII AAAAAMMMMM).
Is it also done here. And if not, how fast are we supposed to repeat
the mantra? Or do we just go with the flow?
Regards,
O.
744 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:49am
Subject: Re: A few newbee questions. obsidian9999
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Hi Oliver,
I'm not a mantra expert, but I might be able to help a little.
The mantra I have been using always is pronounced
aaaaaaaiiiiiimmmmm ( in your Dutch phonetics) which is pretty
similar (but not the same) as the IAM as taught by Yogani.
As if by coincidence, mantra I received is pronounced very much like
the English---> I'm
the shortened version of 'I am'. I received it, however, from a
purely Indian source. It was transliterated to English as IM. So,
writing 'eeee' as 'ii' and translating them all into Dutch phonetics
we get (approximately), for the three mantras in question
'IAM' (English)----- aa-ii-aa-mm
'IM' ----- aa-ii-mm
'IAM' (Eutch) ----- ii-aa-mm
As you said, the mantra of the pronunciation you mention is used in
some traditions and it is sometimes written 'YAM'.
My feeling is that these three mantras have a similar vibrational
quality. I **do** sense a strong difference between certain
mantras. I think the 'ii' sound is very important, or, at least
it is for me. The 'ii' part makes it resonate up in my head.
Without the 'ii' part, the whole thing tends to stay down in my
body.
The one that works best for me is the one I have and I keep it. I
don't think, by the way, that it works best for me as a result of
exposure only --- I think I'd have found the same when I started
with the mantra.
I hope that casts *some* light on the subject.
Best regards,
-David
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "odevroed" <olivier.devroede@t...>
wrote:
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>
> Hi all,
>
> I read the material and started doing the exercises. It is great.
>
> However, in the lectures, it is said that the vibratory quality of
the
> mantra is important. So I ask myself how it should be pronunced.
is it
> like the english 'I am', or is it more like in Dutch (My mother
> tongue) => I is pronounced like the 'ee' in tree, A is pronounced
like
> the a in "Bath" (unlike in bad).
> I know that in some traditions it is like that.
> Also some traditions elongate all the syllables (IIIIII
AAAAAMMMMM).
> Is it also done here. And if not, how fast are we supposed to
repeat
> the mantra? Or do we just go with the flow?
>
> Regards,
>
> O.
750 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:06am
Subject: Re: A few newbee questions. obsidian9999
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By the way, with this mantra I'm talking about, the one I am using,
> 'IM' ----- aa-ii-mm
sometimes transliterated as 'AIM' by the way (which is more like
Dutch phonetics), as well as 'IM' (English phonetics):---
the 'ii' (eeee) rolls right into the 'mm'. I find (subjectively
perhaps) this to be important. Notice that an 'mmmmmm' sound itself
is actually different if preceded by the 'iiiii' than it is if
preceded by an 'aaaaa', although we may not notice it in ordinary
speech; I perceive it as a high, ringing, head-level 'mmmmm' when
preceded by the 'iiiii'. You can get it to 'ring' even more by using
aaa-iiii--ngggg
another mantra, instead of
aaaa--iiii-mmmmm
I find AING less 'warm' though than AIM. Sometimes though I find it
great. I love the way it rings.
-David
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Oliver,
>
> I'm not a mantra expert, but I might be able to help a little.
>
> The mantra I have been using always is pronounced
> aaaaaaaiiiiiimmmmm ( in your Dutch phonetics) which is pretty
> similar (but not the same) as the IAM as taught by Yogani.
> As if by coincidence, mantra I received is pronounced very much
like
> the English---> I'm
> the shortened version of 'I am'. I received it, however, from a
> purely Indian source. It was transliterated to English as IM.
So,
> writing 'eeee' as 'ii' and translating them all into Dutch
phonetics
> we get (approximately), for the three mantras in question
>
> 'IAM' (English)----- aa-ii-aa-mm
> 'IM' ----- aa-ii-mm
> 'IAM' (Eutch) ----- ii-aa-mm
>
> As you said, the mantra of the pronunciation you mention is used in
> some traditions and it is sometimes written 'YAM'.
>
> My feeling is that these three mantras have a similar vibrational
> quality. I **do** sense a strong difference between certain
> mantras. I think the 'ii' sound is very important, or, at least
> it is for me. The 'ii' part makes it resonate up in my head.
> Without the 'ii' part, the whole thing tends to stay down in my
> body.
>
> The one that works best for me is the one I have and I keep it. I
> don't think, by the way, that it works best for me as a result of
> exposure only --- I think I'd have found the same when I started
> with the mantra.
>
> I hope that casts *some* light on the subject.
>
> Best regards,
>
> -David
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "odevroed" <olivier.devroede@t...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I read the material and started doing the exercises. It is great.
> >
> > However, in the lectures, it is said that the vibratory quality
of
> the
> > mantra is important. So I ask myself how it should be pronunced.
> is it
> > like the english 'I am', or is it more like in Dutch (My mother
> > tongue) => I is pronounced like the 'ee' in tree, A is pronounced
> like
> > the a in "Bath" (unlike in bad).
> > I know that in some traditions it is like that.
> > Also some traditions elongate all the syllables (IIIIII
> AAAAAMMMMM).
> > Is it also done here. And if not, how fast are we supposed to
> repeat
> > the mantra? Or do we just go with the flow?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > O.
753 From: "Kathy" <nagoyasea@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:24pm
Subject: Re: A few newbee questions. nagoyasea
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Hi Oliver,
In my particular dialect, the 'a' in 'bath' and 'bad' are pronounced
the same! So let me offer my humble opinion.... It is like the
english I AM.
Later in the lessons, Yogani mentions that for people who were
brought up with some religious significance attached to the "I AM"
mantra could think of it as spelled "AYAM" instead. He is going
after the vibratory sound of the letters and not the meaning those
letters have for some religions.
When I asked him if I could still use my old transcendental
meditation mantra because it was so CLOSE to his, he gently
suggested I switch to his, and so I did.
I mentally pronounce the mantra as EYE YAM, as in our two eyes we
see with and the sweet potato yam.... :) I personally don't
elongate the sounds.
I would start with the mantra at any speed you wish, whatever is
comfortable, not working too hard. It should be effortless. Let the
mantra speed up and slow down as you get deeper into your
meditation. The sound of the mantra will morph into other sounds
too; it will not always be I AM. Don't force it to be I AM... Let it
change into whatever sound, rhythym and speed, softness or firmness
it turns into and you will go deeper and deeper into the meditation.
Peace,
Kathy
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "odevroed" <olivier.devroede@t...>
wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I read the material and started doing the exercises. It is great.
>
> However, in the lectures, it is said that the vibratory quality of
the
> mantra is important. So I ask myself how it should be pronunced.
is it
> like the english 'I am', or is it more like in Dutch (My mother
> tongue) => I is pronounced like the 'ee' in tree, A is pronounced
like
> the a in "Bath" (unlike in bad).
> I know that in some traditions it is like that.
> Also some traditions elongate all the syllables (IIIIII
AAAAAMMMMM).
> Is it also done here. And if not, how fast are we supposed to
repeat
> the mantra? Or do we just go with the flow?
>
> Regards,
>
> O.
754 From: "azaz932001" <richardchamberlin14@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:41pm
Subject: Re: A few newbee questions. azaz932001
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--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "odevroed" <olivier.devroede@t...>
wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I read the material and started doing the exercises. It is great.
>
> However, in the lectures, it is said that the vibratory quality of
the
> mantra is important. So I ask myself how it should be pronunced. is
it
> like the english 'I am', or is it more like in Dutch (My mother
> tongue) => I egards,
>
Hello there.
The mantra as Yogani gives it is the English sounds I AM It is
purely the sound that matters no meaning should be attached to it, so
language is of no importance.
Some people on the forum are using similar mantras to achieve good
results but I am sticking to the English sound I AM with great
effect. Hope this is of help to you.
Blessings R.C.
758 From: "odevroed" <olivier.devroede@tiscali.be>
Date: Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:17am
Subject: Re: A few newbee questions. odevroed
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Hi,
thanks all for the input. I do not feel very comfotable now with I AM,
so I decided to change it to A I OM.
Especially since I have been chanting O in the past and this has
strangly made me remember my dreams (I was trying to achieve this with
another mantra with little succes). So I like O:-), and from the input
you gave me there would be no harm in doing so.
Tanks again.
Olivier.
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