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Kentox
India
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 Posted - Apr 22 2017 : 2:32:36 PM
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I've been following my own tantric way, unhindered, wild and free.
Haven't taken a single thing from guru yet listened to them all, ate their knowledge and concocted the best mixture for me.
It hasn't been long since I was paving through my way until I found that I had no benchmark for this, I can't know where I am...or how would I know if I have grown spiritually is it really there or am I just hallucinating about it. It is all too subtle to be considered tangible.
Then my eyes went to age old tantric tradition of drinking, at first I drank my regular amount which is 3 glasses, I simply sat there watching my show, no drunkeness, not one bit. Mind was simply unwilling to be unaware.
I still couldn't believe this, so i followed my normal schedule for a whole week, doing hatha yoga, meditation and all that jazz.
then I had upped the Ante, 4 glasses. Still Nothing, body couldn't handle so I had known to stop(I am not a light drinker, but since I do yoga everyday I have to be careful not to break myself). But the same day I had awakened heart chakra so I started crying over a simple age-old song like a idiot, I teared up like a baby for good 30 minutes. I felt I was cleansed through that but I believe that was completely unrelated experience which was not intended.
after a month of preparing my body, I went for 7-8 glasses. Still nothing, no intoxication at all but at last glass I could feel little bit relaxation which went away immediately. I just cannot get drunk. I cannot get slight bit dizzy on which by this point I'd be flailing around, my feet don't even wobble, everything is so still. I can feel my body suffering but my mind completely alert. Body going relax mode, but I am completely alert. I sleep and wake up, no hangover whatsoever and it was even much better experience than last time but it's quite hot so I was sweating quite a bit.
Today I've started a new practice called 99 spins, where you spin 99 times in a day while staring at your thumb infront of you. 33 spins at a time. I couldn't get dizzy but amount of energy going around causing a ruckus was amazing, I grew alot in one day due to this practice.
Does it happen for you all too? Have you reached a point where things cannot disturb your awareness, no matter what intoxicant, situation it might be? I feel like there is no way back now.
I am well aware it might be because of third eye, In my experience Third eye doesn't necessarily need to be open to function. In my life what I truly needed has always manifested itself to me, I know it's no co-incidence for sure. I've always known, I'll be granted what I need one way or the other. Nothing can be denied to me. Only Striving for it is required with my entire being and the goal will manifest itself.
Also perhaps it is because I am under process of awakening for kundalini that this is happening so easily for me. It wasn't all that bad, I did have blockages which I had to cut out my diet for, run everyday like a madman hoping my liver would survive this experience which it did, since then I had not much problems other than boredom. Few moments of bliss inbetween and I naturally feel like if I just close my eyes and sit i'll go into deep meditation.
But this is not enough, I want more...I want everything.
But I wanted to know, does it all happen for you too? Does your mind refuse to falter in any given state anymore. No matter how much you drink or Spin to win.
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Bodhi Tree
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Posted - Apr 22 2017 : 5:20:08 PM
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Good luck with the spinning, and the drinking. The two go hand in hand, i.e. downward spiral.
You're on your way to tantric mastery, clearly. You know why? Because making big mistakes is a powerful way to illuminate what is genuinely liberating vs. what is falsely liberating.
So I say, drink up, and keep spinning!
(If your castles in the air do happen to collapse and you find yourself in grievous pain, feel free to utilize my website on recovery. Godspeed.) |
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Dogboy
USA
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Posted - Apr 22 2017 : 7:06:43 PM
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I have never heard of this tantra drinking, maybe played the spinning game as a child. I don't really understand the point of either; by engaging in these practices and not feeling intoxicated or dizzy or sick is an indication your practices are working? Yoga practices clear the neurobiology and these drinking endeavors pollute it again, to what ends? Two steps forward and two back means you are standing where you started.
Perhaps a better indicator of the effectiveness of yoga is how your daily life plays out for you, and the positive difference you have on all you encounter and serve. That seems to me to be the best way forward. |
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Kentox
India
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Posted - Apr 22 2017 : 11:57:52 PM
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Originally posted by Dogboy
I have never heard of this tantra drinking, maybe played the spinning game as a child. I don't really understand the point of either; by engaging in these practices and not feeling intoxicated or dizzy or sick is an indication your practices are working? Yoga practices clear the neurobiology and these drinking endeavors pollute it again, to what ends? Two steps forward and two back means you are standing where you started.
Perhaps a better indicator of the effectiveness of yoga is how your daily life plays out for you, and the positive difference you have on all you encounter and serve. That seems to me to be the best way forward.
I am highly surprised to be reading this on a Tantric forum, You people are looking at Tantra with eyes of Traditional yoga which forcibly turns your center of pleasure inwards.
Material and spiritual are not far off, they are interconnected. Tantra connected these and was infamous for it. Even now people follow Vama marga which was considered forbidden in old times and generally a taboo.
Drinking is a age-old traditional way of finding out if you are succeeding in your attempt. Buddhist monks still follow it.
If you are meditating with a true strife and you think that you are in control, I recommend this method once a month. With this you'll be able to see it for yourself if you are truly meditative.
The dose that made you drunk, now simply sits there polluting your body but mind is simply unaffected. I was surprised to see it really worked but only to a small level first. As I raised the dosage and worked on my body it became even more still.
In the old-age tantra of this kind, After having so much alcohol they stop there and give the man final test of injecting cobra venom in him. He'll simply sit there and nothing will happen. That means he has passed.
This is dangerous way to test people but it simply works...that's why people have to work hard month upon month on their bodies so they can handle the dosage gracefully. If you get drunk, you fail. If your mind falters, you fail. If you cannot think straight, you fail. If you get addicted, you are expelled.
Tantra is highly oriented towards things that seem materialistic, once we overcome those it'll become a major vote of confidence in our path and also a different world from what we know, is seen.
Also the spinning thing I mentioned, is another Buddhist practice. it makes your chakras spin forcefully. If you are capable of feeling the energies in your body you'll see they'll be causing a ruckus inside, I do not recommend you do 99 at one time, it'll cause nausea and furthermore even more problems if you feel dizzy after 33, take a rest and meditate on it, feel your energies and you'll find them to be more active than in most energy works you've done. Please do not do more than 33 at a time if you get dizzy easily because effects linger. so one time at morning, one time at noon and one at night. Better to have clean digestive system too.
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Kentox
India
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Posted - Apr 23 2017 : 12:27:23 AM
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Originally posted by Bodhi Tree
Good luck with the spinning, and the drinking. The two go hand in hand, i.e. downward spiral.
You're on your way to tantric mastery, clearly. You know why? Because making big mistakes is a powerful way to illuminate what is genuinely liberating vs. what is falsely liberating.
So I say, drink up, and keep spinning!
(If your castles in the air do happen to collapse and you find yourself in grievous pain, feel free to utilize my website on recovery. Godspeed.)
You are indeed one of those people who miss the entire goddamn point, It is not all about supporting habit and addiction of drinking.
What nonsensical basis you have to say my life is in a downward spiral, you have no bloody idea. I used to drink 10 times more than this, watching 10 times more porn. That was downward spiral. Feeling sh*tty and lost and purposeless all that time that is what you call Downward spiral.
I lost my natural charisma, my motivation and everything I had as a child, I lost growing up due to porn. But I know I am at fault, not porn.
You have no idea how much of a upward spiral I am on, my daily life has improved, my face is glowing, my moods are blissed out, my family is happier and no disease is able to even touch me since I truly began my practices. If this is called downward spiral, I am prepared to go to hell then, because it feels brilliant.
What basis do you have to say that it is because of drinking? It is no longer actually required to be happy for me. I am free. Absolutely free. It stopped intoxicating me, my mind doesn't even get drunk, there is entirely no pleasure in drinking for me. How can such a thing become a part of downward spiral when it can no longer be addictive. Last of all, I drink on a long interval break and work my body throughout the month, it is not even needed for anything else other than a benchmark and it is kicked out of system completely the next day.
What you talk of is, just shallow spiritualism with no substance. You make assumptions about people and think thats wise to do.
If you think spiritualism says Drinking is bad, Porn is bad. You've lost the plot entirely. Spirituality says addiction is bad. Everything you do, you do consciously. Entire path of tantra was created for it.
As a Tantric, I do not suppress myself and for a long time I've been having no frustrations, anger is lowering, I'm more and more sorted out. It is a beautiful experience filled with natural states of bliss. If I want to have noodles, I'll have noodles. I wont be thinking if it will destroy my spirituality or not. It is not that fragile.
I've done a experiment and showed you the result, if you think that is a castle made on air, There is nothing left to talk about. You are simply unwilling to see or do not want to see. Both Dialogues cannot go one way and make a conversation without reaching the other. It is pointless for us to talk if we are going to be so shallow with eachother. Without truly opening hearts and listening to one another, how can we actually converse.
 may you find clarity in what you do.
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Mykal K
Germany
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Posted - Apr 23 2017 : 05:03:47 AM
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Hi Kentox,
I heard about these practices, however they are not a part of AYP, and I do not think you will find anyone here who practices them.
Dogboy has made a good point on how one can measure the effectiveness of any spriritual method, regardless of the spiritual tradition it comes from.
I concentrate myself more on directly making my mind free from energetic intoxicans, as they are the ones that really 'enslave' it.
Not saying that what you do is in any way inferior.
It is just that I work with my feeling, and a part of that feeling is also my body feeling, and my body doesn't like alcohol.
I find there are many situations where one can use the feeling to make the mind sharp, all throughout the day, one needs not use alcohol to do it. I am probably too soft for the method(s) you're using  .
However, if you are looking for a challenge, you can try to stay awake while falling asleep.
If you have not reached that state, maybe it will be a challenge to you, without the need of messing up your liver.
IMO there is always a finer way to achieve a goal. |
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AYPforum
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Posted - Apr 23 2017 : 06:13:11 AM
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Bodhi Tree
2972 Posts |
Posted - Apr 23 2017 : 06:54:15 AM
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 I'll paraphrase what the Buddha said to the young Siddhartha in the novel Siddhartha by Herman Hesse: "You're very clever. Beware of your cleverness."
You have some intelligence, which comes through in your writing, so bravo for exercising some of your wit. However, what also comes through in your writing is confusion hiding behind the guise of confidence.
The reason I can recognize your confusion (masked by bravado) is because I've been there and done that, so I empathize.
Whether you consciously realize it or not, you're in need of guidance, and AYP is an excellent resource to guide eager seekers like yourself in the ways of yoga and tantra. The question is: do you have the courage and strength to admit that you are in need of guidance, or will you just keep trying to play games to show off your parlor tricks--claiming that they're evidence of tantric mastery (which--I hate to burst to your bubble--they're not).
My suggestion is to read the first lesson here in AYP, and to see if you're interested in Deep Meditation, which is the flagship technique of our group, second only to bhakti (desire for the divine). I can sense some legitimate desire in you, but if you wish to continue posting on this forum, you will need to make your posts more relevant to the principles and techniques of AYP.
I appreciate your wishes for my clarity, and I reciprocate with the same for you. |
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Kentox
India
61 Posts |
Posted - Apr 23 2017 : 08:47:06 AM
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Originally posted by Bodhi Tree
I'll paraphrase what the Buddha said to the young Siddhartha in the novel Siddhartha by Herman Hesse: "You're very clever. Beware of your cleverness."
You have some intelligence, which comes through in your writing, so bravo for exercising some of your wit. However, what also comes through in your writing is confusion hiding behind the guise of confidence.
The reason I can recognize your confusion (masked by bravado) is because I've been there and done that, so I empathize.
Whether you consciously realize it or not, you're in need of guidance, and AYP is an excellent resource to guide eager seekers like yourself in the ways of yoga and tantra. The question is: do you have the courage and strength to admit that you are in need of guidance, or will you just keep trying to play games to show off your parlor tricks--claiming that they're evidence of tantric mastery (which--I hate to burst to your bubble--they're not).
My suggestion is to read the first lesson here in AYP, and to see if you're interested in Deep Meditation, which is the flagship technique of our group, second only to bhakti (desire for the divine). I can sense some legitimate desire in you, but if you wish to continue posting on this forum, you will need to make your posts more relevant to the principles and techniques of AYP.
I appreciate your wishes for my clarity, and I reciprocate with the same for you.
I see, you are still making assumptions. Well it is fine. Do as you like.
I am not here to insult you nor question your intelligence, nor brag about mine. I merely wished to share experiences which I cannot normally share with people. I am truthful to you as I am to myself. I used to be a troublemaker but those days have passed, I have grown up and been mature I no longer wish for pointless debates and discussions that go round and round.
Whoever said I don't do deep meditation? Nor have I said I've become a super tantric master just because of something as little as this but with this I've attained self-acknowledgement. It doesn't need your stamp of approval. I only wish to see how else do people find where they are in life. Also this isn't any game or play for fun.
few Months back, I nearly choked on my own vomit while sleeping by drinking the dose I drank recently 7-8 glasses. Almost exactly that. I had a supremely bad hangover and I was sh*t-scared of drinking ever again. I haven't even dared to drink beer even.
But I know who was responsible for this, not alcohol but me.
I was sh*t scared buying it let alone ever putting my mouth anywhere near it. But I made up my mind, I've spent months slowly meditating and wished to know where I am.
It paid off, a big time. Also now I am no longer scared of it.
You've gone out making assumption that I am a idiot finding excuses to drink and watch all the nonsense in the world and calling it spirituality. But fact of the matter is, what I have is legitimate proof for myself not empty talk anymore.
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Wolfgang
Germany
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Posted - Apr 23 2017 : 10:18:57 AM
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Hello Kentox explorer !
On a forum like this it is always difficult to communicate well through written words. And yes, there is always the danger that we make assumptions. I will try contribute my thoughts:
You conquered your fear of drinking alcohol. It seems you did that by doing the "dangerous" act of drinking.
If we are standing on top of a steep cliff, there is a legitimate fear of falling. Now I ask you: is it wise to conquer the fear of falling by actually jumping down? Surely not. But it is wise to face the fear, so that it does not control us.
Similar with alcohol or any other drug. If we are afraid, we just need to face the fear, but there is no need to be overpowered by it.
We may feel a need to explore the danger, but we should approach it with wisdom and balance. No need to preach that it is neccessary to get drunk past the point of vomitting.
Just my 2 cts |
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sunyata
USA
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Posted - Apr 23 2017 : 3:01:35 PM
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Hi Kentok,
You have received good advice from others already.
Peace is not found by going to extremes. Love is the answer to all. If you want to push boundaries- see how much you can Love i.e Divine Love.
You can even start from Self Love. In the East(since you are from India, you are probably familiar with this), there is a tradition of taking your shoes off at the door (not sure if you practice that) because you don't want to bring dirt in your home. Our body is the temple of the divine. Why poison/dirty it with alcohol? May be some food for inquiry.
Satchitananda or pure bliss consciousness dawns with twice daily practices.
Much Love. |
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Bodhi Tree
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SeySorciere
Seychelles
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Posted - Apr 24 2017 : 02:49:09 AM
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Dear Kentox,
I had never heard of these methodologies for testing retention of Clear Awareness - interesting experience. But then AYP is an integrated Yoga system and also offers some right-handed tantra techniques. And you're way off to the left here - and hence not finding common grounds for further discussion with AYPers. The results of your experience certainly shows that you have gain some mastery over your mind. The question probably is - is this the best way to "assess spiritual progress"? That is -if that is what you were trying to do. The others are trying to point out there are gentler, less destructive ways (to your body)to test the waters.
At AYP, we look for progress in daily life, in our relationships and interactions with others; in the Outpour of Divine love and compassion. You mentioned above that you are showing great improvement in that area as well - so you must be doing something right with all the combo of practices you have mentioned. It is hard for others to give input when there is such a mishmash of practices though - you're kind of on your own this way, so be extra vigilant not to go over-board. I think the AYP lessons on Self-pacing might be useful in that regard and I would also recommend the lesson on the Evolutionary Stages of Mind, which describes the different stages the mind goes through in time through spiritual practices. Perhaps you can find useful indications in there to help you assess where you are without extreme experiments.
http://www.aypsite.org/327.html
Sey
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Chiron
Russia
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Posted - Apr 27 2017 : 04:55:42 AM
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This is very similar to the people who engage in marijuana smoking and say it is a part of their spiritual path. But in reality they are just finding "spiritual" excuses to maintain their drug addiction. And many end up damaging their nervous system and psychology. I speak from experience here :)
Whereas marijuana can be relatively harmless is small amounts, alcohol is more dangerous because it is a poison and is damaging in any form and any amount. You REALLY have to be a great master to avoid its negative effects. At the end of it, the point of Tantra is to achieve full satisfaction so that the desire no longer bounds your consciousness. You said you are free, but can you demonstrate it and drop alcohol consumption forever? Otherwise you are indeed, as per your own words, an "idiot finding excuses to drink and watch all the nonsense in the world and calling it spirituality", based on your vague understanding of an age-old secret tradition. And most people who engage in similar practices are indeed finding excuses to maintain their addictions and if you succeed in such a practice then you are very special individual, but as I said, this success can be easily measured in a practical and demonstrable sense. |
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