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compassion
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 Posted - Nov 27 2014 : 10:10:28 AM
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So I have experienced recently many times what I think is samadhi, with these experiences spilling over into everyday life on many occasions. For this I am very grateful!
But just had an experience now that was so many many times deeper. At some point I realised I was just repeating and repeating the mantra, occassionally noticing that I hadn't been breathing for a very long time. Then suddenly I can't feel anything of my body anymore, like I'm floating in space, at complete peace and unity.. so beautiful. But also so sad.
But then starts some kind of panic. Concerns develop of my body and if it's still alive because I can't feel anything through the calm and sadness. But then I start to notice my heart beating extremely hard... like I'd just sprinted 100m or something. It felt like fear, but maybe was also my heart rushing to pump some oxygenated blood around?
Anyway I'm curious as to insights and advice. Probably any fear of losing the body were unfounded. But what is the solution? At one point I notice the urge just to return to the mantra, but honestly I just wanted to come back, and come back I did. Could I have gone deeper? What was there? Are there risks? How to deal with the fear and... shock of the feeling of being there? |
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Dogboy
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Posted - Nov 27 2014 : 10:32:40 AM
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But then starts some kind of panic. Concerns develop of my body and if it's still alive because I can't feel anything through the calm and sadness. But then I start to notice my heart beating extremely hard... like I'd just sprinted 100m or something. It felt like fear, but maybe was also my heart rushing to pump some oxygenated blood around?
Anyway I'm curious as to insights and advice. Probably any fear of losing the body were unfounded. But what is the solution? At one point I notice the urge just to return to the mantra, but honestly I just wanted to come back, and come back I did. Could I have gone deeper? What was there? Are there risks? How to deal with the fear and... shock of the feeling of being there?
I've experienced more than a few of these states. There is no risk of, or complete separation from the body (you'd have dead yogis all over the place!). Your instinct to return to the mantra was the correct course of action. What do do about the fear? Simply surrender. Let go of it like a sutra. Could you have gone deeper? Most likely, but as you discovered, you can return at will. You really have nothing to fear.
Often in these states, self inquiry is beneficial. Often I will ask what am I to learn here and receive some kind of answer from mother kundalini. Try it next time!
Hope this helps! |
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kumar ul islam
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Posted - Nov 27 2014 : 5:41:47 PM
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the flow of divine love. |
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Holy
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Posted - Nov 27 2014 : 6:05:38 PM
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Hi compassion,
it doesn't sound like samadhi, unity and sadness, are you sure friend? ;) ananda ananda (=
It sounds like an inbetween state of being astrally aware, but neither tasting the bliss of eternity, nor being grounded in physicality, aka like some kind of deep meditative state. The classic instruction is, keep meditating, states like these come and go, thankfully :) and are signs of purification of inbetween layers of body-mind. When sadness and fear releases it is for good. Let them come up, if they stay let them stay and if they go all is good. No need to handle them, just be with whatever is. The in parallel peace you have experienced is your companion and a hint that even though other unpleasant things are there, that the peace is also with you :)
You can also give the sadness a kiss, it may be ashamed of its state and get a little red, then one more kiss and it may even see its own absurdness :D So no need to take it too serious either ;) Only joy and bliss!
And happy practice friend! :) |
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Anima
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Posted - Nov 27 2014 : 11:44:28 PM
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Originally posted by compassionBut just had an experience now that was so many many times deeper. At some point I realised I was just repeating and repeating the mantra, occassionally noticing that I hadn't been breathing for a very long time. Then suddenly I can't feel anything of my body anymore, like I'm floating in space, at complete peace and unity.. so beautiful. But also so sad.
Namaste compassion,
It sounds like an experience with certain pluses and minuses. Can you continue to work with it until it levels out in the future? This was a common experience for me in my first year of meditation, and still happens (but less since reducing some major stresses in m life). Panic, bodily convulsions, and tingling also were frequent for me. These can commonly occur in times of great stress and duress. I recently heard a story of an Olympic boxer from Costa Rica who had similar issues. He fought through it (literally, by becoming a boxer while still in the army), and he realized later that his fear and struggle were necessary in mastering himself.
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compassion
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Posted - Nov 28 2014 : 12:07:13 AM
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Thanks Dogboy! It is blurry with hindsight as to what exactly I was afraid of. There was a profound truth in the experience that I was afraid to fully experience. Perhaps that was also related to not being the body but also of what or where I was. It's funny to ask "Who am I?" in Samyama and then to have the reaction of fear when the experience arises. Either way, your suggestion of surrender seems spot on.
Thank you kumar. May love flow endlessly [img]icon_heart.gif[/img]
Thanks also Holy! Well I am not sure, which is why I ask. Sadness perhaps isn't the word.. more profound grief. I sense it is either related to the truth or of the body 'dying', which has come up in a few dreams of late also. Either way, your advice to just let the feelings come is great. If I'm blessed with the same experience again, I trust I will be better prepared :) |
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compassion
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Posted - Nov 28 2014 : 12:24:12 AM
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Hi Anima,
I like to think that I could continue to work with the state. Having been in a rush to leave yesterday evening, I have almost immediately since had the wish to be back there. So perhaps when I've let go of the desire to be back there, I may be blessed again with such an experience.
It's interesting you mention stresses in your life because the last few days I have been working some long and intense hours to finish a project that I finally got done moments before I meditated. So there was a special balance of tiredness, focus, and relief, as well as no expectations for the meditation. By contrast, this morning's meditation was full of hopes and expectations and forum posts - and barely scratched the surface with the mantra.
Thanks for the story of the boxer. I'm sure that the special circumstances leading up to the experience were just what was needed, and that I can continue to grow as the experiences integrate with my sense of reality.
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Anima
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Posted - Nov 29 2014 : 12:56:25 PM
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Hi Compassion! Thank you.
Here's the story, told by Jose Torres:
http://themoth.org/posts/stories/li...weight-champ
I'm stubborn with my attention, so a friendly woman just decided to play it for me a couple nights ago (after one of my cynical rants), and I very much enjoyed it! I hope you do, too.
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compassion
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Posted - Dec 01 2014 : 1:59:09 PM
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Hi Anima,
Thanks for sharing [img]icon_heart.gif[/img] |
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compassion
90 Posts |
Posted - Dec 07 2014 : 08:32:17 AM
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Just in case someone finds this topic by searching, I'll begin to answer one of the questions with a quote from Yogananda about fear of the breathless state:
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“Master,” said a disciple, “I am afraid to go breathless in meditation. What can I do to overcome this limitation?”
“What you are facing is a normal obstacle on the path,” replied Yogananda. “’False notion,’ it is called. You are fearing something that, to the soul, is perfectly natural: deep stillness within.
Your mind is like a bird that has been locked in a cage for many years. It fears liberty. Yet, freedom is its birthright.
Someone opens the door to let the bird out. It may hop outside a short distance, but then suddenly it thinks, ‘Oh, this vast world!’ Terrified, it hops hurriedly back into its cage again.
Gradually, then, by repeated sorties, the bird becomes accustomed to being outside its cage. Then at last, one day, it spreads its wings and soars up into the sky, free at last! And why is it free? Quite simply, because it has finally accepted freedom as its natural state.
So it is with the devotee when he first experiences soul-freedom. But remember, as it is natural for the bird to fly up into the sky, so is it natural for the soul to soar in omnipresence.
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Anima
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Posted - Dec 07 2014 : 12:34:34 PM
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Wow!  |
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Dogboy
USA
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Posted - Dec 07 2014 : 1:37:11 PM
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Sensational! 
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