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630 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Apr 7, 2005 11:19am
Subject: Correction : extent of phase 2 Kechari obsidian9999
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Hi folks
I've found out that my concept of stage 2 is not aligned with
Yogani's lessons, so I actually answered Jim's message incorrectly.
Of course, it does not really matter where we label the stages, but
it's good to keep ourselves on the same page at AYP. I apologize if
anyone was further confused by my mistakes here.
Some of the confusion is easy to because we are in a 'fence and post'
situation, where the labelling can be either on the fences or the
posts. Yogani labels the fences. The 'posts' transitions) are
defined by what the tongue can reach or acheive.
Stage 1
this stage begins when tongue reaches point at which hard and soft
palate meets.
Stage 2.
This stage begins when the tongue is on the nasal pharynx.
The nasal pharynx is above the soft palate and the tissue may feel
slightly different to the tongue. It's hard to describe this
difference.
The soft palate covers the lower part of the nasal pharynx. The
uvula is essentially a flap of soft palate which further covers the
nasal pharynx by going 'up' when you swallow and protecting it from
your food. In the same way as protecting your nasal pharynx from
your food, your uvula will protect it from your tongue; it will
tend to go 'up' naturally and cover more of your nasal pharynx and
give your tongue further to go to get to touch it, so that your
tongue would have to gain a few centimeters of extension before the
nasal pharynx is reached.
This stuff about the 'side entrance' etc: Yogani is teaching a
technique for getting the tongue 'under' the base of the uvula so
that it can rest solidly on the nasal pharynx in the middle, even
though the base of the uvula would normally cover the nasal pharynx
when the tongue is only this long.
Stage 2 continues while the tongue gets longer, all the way until
the tongue reaches the septum.
What this 'side entrance' technique is delivering is an early
payoff. It's not actually shortening the time to get to the septum,
which begins stage 3. As the tongue gets longer, there comes no
need to get under it; it will eventually be able to pass the uvula
entirely and go further to reach the septum.
That's the proper answer to Jim's question. Please disregard my
former answer --- it is right in some ways but not about where stage
2 is in Yogani's system. Also 'soft palate' should read 'nasal
pharynx' in that post.
Best regards,
-David
[This is a reply to message 290 below. I'm beginning a new thread to
bring it to the front]
Jim wrote:
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Wow, ok, thanks for the clarification. There's something slightly
jarring abou
thaving this
utterly no-way-around-it physical benchmark amid all the
philosophical/spiritual/
relativistic practices we're working on!
I saw, to my surprise, that Mantak Chia even alludes to kechari
mudra, noting
there's much
greater conductivity when you take the tongue further back in the
mouth (though
he
doesn't go anywhere near this far...at least not in the beginner
materials I've
seen).
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "raw_obsidian" <raw_obsidian@y...>
wrote:
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> Jim,
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> no, the uvula has to be well-bypassed in order to get into stage 2.
> For most people it does not get in the way at all.
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> As your tongue gets longer and when you push your tongue back and
> up, eventually you will find that you can run it along the base of
> the uvula (where the uvula is hanging from the foof of the mouth).
> From there you can push your uvula, which normally hangs down, up
> if you want to. This may also tend to happen automatically.
>
> If you push your tongue to either side of the uvula, as it gets long
> enough, your tongue will eventually be able to come in contact with
> the soft palate. Up a certain distance (maybe two centimeters?) at
> the center is the nasal septum. The nasal septum is stage 2.
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> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim_and_his_karma"
> <jim_and_his_karma@y...> wrote:
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> >
> > Can anyone clarify where the uvula (the little thing hanging from
> the roof of the mouth
> > toward the back) lies on the kechari mudra route? Is that point 2?
> >
> > thanks!
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