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snake
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 Posted - Aug 22 2006 : 03:58:32 AM
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http://www.beezone.com/AdiDa/EWB/EW...ndingresults
All yogas, all spiritual, mystical, psychic, mental, and religious techniques or presumptions, are, at their base, forms of concentration, or objectification of awareness. And all such processes are essentially mechanical manipulations of the functional psycho-physical structures of the human body-mind. They result either in absorbed contemplation of various personal psycho-physical states and objects, high or low, or else in a diffused state of psycho-physical release that is both temporary and ultimately self-meditative.
Only the conscious process of radical intuition of the Real Condition penetrates the illusions of both ordinary personal life and extraordinary religious or spiritual effort. Only in the self-released disposition of radical intuition are the limitations of the independent body-mind relaxed, released, or dissolved in the higher or true Mind, the Self, the inherently selfless Mind or Condition that Transcends the entire bodily being. Only in radical intuition of the Real Condition is there utter release of the deluding force of psycho-physical modifications, self-division, self-possession, contractions, states of concentration, and illusory objectifications or stepped-down intensities of the absolute Intensity of Radiant Bliss.
so is he saying practice these but don't think it's going to lead to the truth? |
Edited by - snake on Aug 22 2006 04:02:53 AM |
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david_obsidian
USA
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Posted - Aug 22 2006 : 10:56:39 AM
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Hi snake,
if you want to understand Da, between the lines in nearly everything Da has written for the last 20 years is, no spiritual teaching really works except what he teaches. However, he cannot point to any successes in producing realized students. You should be able to figure out yourself what is the cause of this inconsistency.
That little snippet is actually just a version of that same theme. What he says is partially right -- it is true that 'And all such processes are essentially mechanical manipulations of the functional psycho-physical structures of the human body-mind.' (Actually, this is true of intentional yoga practices, but not necessarily of automatic ones.) Where he goes wrong is in what he assumes the ramifications are of these facts. The next bit contains a number of serious mistakes: 'They result either in absorbed contemplation of various personal psycho-physical states and objects, high or low, or else in a diffused state of psycho-physical release that is both temporary and ultimately self-meditative.'
No they don't. Not when the process is successful anyway. Neither is successful Yoga temporary in its effect. Neither are the usually concentration-based practices to be confused with the fruits of yoga (he seems to roll them into one). Neither are these fruits 'self-meditative'. However it is true that failed-or-immature yoga can be these things....
The next step is a version of false dichotomy. He proceeds to then describe what actually are nothing more than one aspect or 'take' on the long-term fruits of successful yoga, but presents it as something that yoga does not lead to. To people who don't see through it, it looks like he has shown that Yoga in general fails and he has some secret about how spiritual progress is really achieved.
But he has done no such thing. He has just done exactly what I have said he has done -- contrasted unfairly characterized yoga practices with some description of what are just the fruits of successful yoga, with the implication that the latter are not available from Yoga at all.  And of course, with the always-and-ever-present insinuation that he has a monopoly on the latter.
This piece can actually be boiled down to two definitions:
DEFINE Yoga = failed Yoga
DEFINE Successful Yoga = Da
Da's 'teachings' are often crypto-definitional rather than substantive, with the underlying agenda above. They require careful unpacking in order to see through them.
Always at your service.
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snake
United Kingdom
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Posted - Aug 22 2006 : 4:13:15 PM
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David,Thankyou ,that was a wonderfull explanation of his thinking,something which I have not heard or read anywhere.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall if you and him got together for a conflab:)
thanks again
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david_obsidian
USA
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Posted - Aug 22 2006 : 5:29:39 PM
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Hi Snake,
Thanks. Da, BTW, would never be found within a 10-mile radius of the likes of me. 
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david_obsidian
USA
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Posted - Aug 23 2006 : 1:03:05 PM
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snake said:
so is he saying practice these but don't think it's going to lead to the truth?
Well, you know what I think Da is saying (you have to look at the whole context of his work), but I can tell you what I would say: practice these and there is a very good chance they help you to find the truth.
Meditiation is an important spiritual practice, but no-one thinks it is everything. No-one says, 'Meditate, and stop unfolding in other dimensions'. When it is working well, meditation is a continued catalyst for further expansion.
Meditation is a catalyctic practice, intended to catalyze the development of 'spirituality'. But it is not 'spirituality' or 'the truth'.
Check out:
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....TOPIC_ID=968
and, related in another way to the distinction between 'spiritual practices' and 'spirituality':
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....TOPIC_ID=314
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Edited by - david_obsidian on Aug 23 2006 1:18:41 PM |
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Da's take on some types of deep meditation
