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Originally posted by sunyata

Everything you describe is all scenery. Been through it all.Like Yogani says best to let it go in Samyama.

There is no need to do anything to anyone. Everything is happening with divine plan.Everything and Everyone is Divine. Everyone and Everything is special.Everyone and Everything is That.

The only thing that matters is how we are with the fellow beings.

It's not the light body that's amazing. It's us being able to wake up every morning and everything around us that's amazing. From this body to the table in the room.

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you knew me you would know I am not about scenery but about helping improve people's lives. I help open people's hearts and feel like Eckhart described.

You say there is no need to do anything to anyone. Do you have problems with Krishna or Jesus or Lahiri or any other guru?

Were they all wrong for helping people progress along the path? Is it only okay if we read it in a book? Was Ramana or Neem Karoli Baba wrong for helping people?

Is it wrong to help people open their hearts so they have a life filled liked Eckhart and in much simpler terms as I have on this first page described?

Is it wrong to help people who have had kundalini issues for decades get past it, heal them and advance them along so that they are able to help others with the same issues?

I have a person who I reached out to. He had bad kundalini issues and social anxiety to the point that joining me in a chat room with others was way to much for him. Now just working mind to mind he is light and is starting to teach and work with others.

He is one of the bravest people I have ever met and he inspires me to continue to help others like him.

You can call it scenery and find reasons why it is bad to help others when you can.

I will just have to disagree.

Because, I can help them improve the quality of their lives if they are ready for it. Maybe that is a part of everyone's Divine plan. It never will be if you think helping others is wrong.

I find that so disturbing in a spirituality. How It is okay to help others in a forum but anything more is wrong. Think about that one when you let go to your chosen ishta and hope they don't feel the same.

P.s. Scenery doesn't improve people's lives which is why I don't encourage astral travel and the like. I see way to many people deluded by what they see and there lives never improving.

All the best to you.

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Originally posted by jonesboy

Hi So-Hi,

The light body is not ego. It is part of the path that one can experience once all of the 7 chakras are opened. It is not a need or a part of the ego but just part of the path. I can assure you that even after you achieve the light body there is still more, much more.

Love and compassion has been mentioned. Do you know why it is practiced? It is the Buddhist means of opening the heart chakra. When that is opened well here is a good description:

I woke up in a state of incredible inner peace, bliss in fact. With my eyes still closed, I heard the sound of a bird and realized how precious that was. And then I opened my eyes and saw the sunlight coming through the curtains and felt: There is far more to that than we realize. It felt like love coming through the curtains. And then as I walked around the old familiar objects in the room I realized I had never really seen them before. It was as if I had just been born into this world; a state of wonder. And then I went for a walk in the city. I was still in London. Everything was miraculous, deeply peaceful. Even the traffic. [Chuckle]
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....PIC_ID=14834

So when I ask are you happy I am truly wishing for everyone to say yes and to have a story like Eckhart Tolle.

I and my wife have lost family lately. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

All the best,

Tom

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My experience has been one of going light. Feeling the flows of energy flowing through my body. Happier and able to let go of things.

Next I started to feel the ecstatic waves of energy when working with others fill my body. A little bit at first grasping at the sensation, trying/wanting more. The lesson of course was learning to let go.

Around this time is also when I noticed siddhas. The ability to shaktipat or to do group dives. I also was able to feel the emotional hurt of others that I was close to within my heart. The creation of a PU and having dreams of learning and receiving/sending light to others.

Over time with the flows of energy I started to notice that if I tried to reside in them I noticed emptiness and oneness. It wasn't just an emptiness of my thoughts it was an emptiness of my body of all things. It really hit home when I started to have an argument and I could feel the emotions as wind flowing through me. It was empty except for what I attached to.

Next came the ability to feel ecstatic waves when I wasn't working with others. Just noticing the flows started to send more and more ecstatic pleasure through my body. The female side was developing more. I was no longer grasping at the feeling. Well, not as much anyways

As the waves of pleasure increased so did the silence of my meditation sits. I started to experience the Clear Light (Rigpa), waves of pleasure during my sits and brief experiences of Samadhi.
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....bie,progress

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Jonesboy, on 06 Jan 2016 - 16:26, said:
You are right Wilfred. I was not being clear with my no thought posts.

Rigpa is not getting lost in them, not attaching to them as they flow through as one is thinking.

For example one will have a thought during a conversation, Rigpa is not thinking about what to say or getting lost in the daydream of trying to relate to someone's experience.

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If you are in a state of observing ones thoughts there is still a subject and an object and you are not in the Natural State.

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Found this description in The Twenty-one Little Nails, the root text from the Zhang-Zhung Nya-Gyud, pointing to the difference between Rigpa and the "nature of mind", rather than "noticing mind"...

As for recognizing the Nature of Mind as distinct from mind, (there are four considerations regarding the Nature of Mind:)

1) it is without thoughts,

2) it becomes the basis of everything,

3) it is a neutral state (displaying neither virtue nor vice), and

4) everything possible originates from it and this is unceasing.


If you are observing thoughts you are "noticing mind" and not in the Natural State.

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Jonesboy, on 02 Jan 2016 - 11:33, said:

Eventually one moves beyond observing. Silence fills ones mind, the energy/thoughts flow through without grasping but they are you, as in the flow. It is a being not an observing. Eventually you are the clouds and the sky and the birds as them, not observing them.

Emptiness with reference to thoughts is that all thoughts are energy. All things are energy and like clouds they seem to have form but in truth they are empty. The more we grasp, believe in our thoughts/ give them form the more suffering we experience. So emptiness of thoughts is realizing that thoughts are just energy, empty expect for what we grasp at.

As one progresses one is able to experience all things as oneness and the emptiness nature of things.

Aka void=form and form=void.

It is a state of being not observing.

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Jonesboy, on 02 Jan 2016 - 12:47, said:

Rigpa and Mind


In Dzogchen, a fundamental point of practice is to distinguish rigpa from sems (citta, (grasping) mind). According to the 14th Dalai Lama, "sems is the mind which is temporarily obscured and distorted by thoughts based upon the dualistic perceptions of subject and object."[9] Rigpa is pure awareness free from such distortions.[9] Cittata, the nature of mind, is the inseparable unity of awareness and emptiness, or clarity and emptiness, which is the basis for all the ordinary perceptions, thoughts and emotions of the ordinary mind.[web 1]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigpa

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Homage to the Guru, the teacher.

The View and Meditation of Dzogchen can be explained in many, many ways, but simply sustaining the essence of present awareness includes them all.
Your mind won’t be found elsewhere.
It is the very nature of this moment-to-moment thinking.
Regard nakedly the essence of this thinking and you find present awareness, right where you are.

Why chase after thoughts, which are superficial ripples of present awareness?
Rather look directly into the naked, empty nature of thoughts; then there is no duality, no observer, and nothing observed.
Simply rest in this transparent, nondual present awareness.
Make yourself at home in the natural state of pure presence, just being, not doing anything in particular.
Present awareness is empty, open, and luminous; not a concrete substance, yet not nothing.
Empty, yet it is perfectly cognizant, lucid, aware.
As if magically, not by causing it to be aware, but innately aware, awareness continuously functions.
These two sides of present awareness or Rigpa — its emptiness and its cognizance (lucidity) — are inseparable.
Emptiness and luminosity (knowing) are inseparable.
They are formless, as if nothing whatsoever, ungraspable, unborn, undying; yet spacious, vivid, buoyant.

Jamgön Kongtrül Lodrö Thayé (1813–1899), the first Jamgon Rinpoche, was a founder of the Rimé movement of Tibetan Buddhism and author of more than one hundred books.

http://freddieyam.co...n-kongtrul.html

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All I have been trying to say is that if you are observing ones thoughts, that is mindfulness, not Buddha mind, non-dual awareness aka Rigpa.

Yes one can still work with visions, yes one will still think. Yet when one is for a better word residing in Ripga within oneself there is no subject and object of yourself.

That is what it means to reside in the flows, not observing ones thoughts and watching them float on by but to be one with the flow, the energy that makes up everything "non-dual awareness".

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Originally posted by th1996

No, I am not even after 7 years of practises.

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