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emc
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 Posted - Dec 10 2011 : 10:48:21 AM
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Just love this guy's way of putting it. Reading his latest book Falling into Grace:
"Why do we believe the thoughts in our head? We don't believe the thoughts in someone else's head, when they speak them to us. When we read a book - which is nothing but the recording of somebody else's thoughts - we can take them or leave them. But why is it that we are so prone to grasp at the thoughts that occur within our own mind - to hold onto them and become identified with them?"
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Dec 10 2011 : 1:19:15 PM
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| What's the answer to the questions? |
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maheswari
Lebanon
2520 Posts |
Posted - Dec 10 2011 : 1:49:00 PM
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cause we are highly delusional |
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gatito
United Kingdom
179 Posts |
Posted - Dec 11 2011 : 01:09:47 AM
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Like all good answers - both funny and true  |
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maheswari
Lebanon
2520 Posts |
Posted - Dec 11 2011 : 06:40:19 AM
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| and demented too |
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amoux
United Kingdom
266 Posts |
Posted - Dec 11 2011 : 06:57:08 AM
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| We're delusional when we believe that thought represents reality |
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Etherfish
USA
3615 Posts |
Posted - Dec 11 2011 : 08:19:30 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by amoux
We're delusional when we believe that thought represents reality
Well that's true and not true at the same time. Thought does represent reality. If we could constantly be aware that it is a representation we would be much closer to the truth. The problem is we confuse reality with representations. |
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amoux
United Kingdom
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Posted - Dec 11 2011 : 08:24:20 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Etherfish
[Thought does represent reality.
Are you kidding me? |
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maheswari
Lebanon
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Posted - Dec 11 2011 : 08:46:40 AM
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| Etherfish has a point....Oneness includes all even the relative thoughts... |
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Etherfish
USA
3615 Posts |
Posted - Dec 11 2011 : 09:18:40 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by amoux
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Originally posted by Etherfish
[Thought does represent reality.
Are you kidding me?
Maybe I should use other words:
Thoughts are an abstraction that allows us to talk about things that are not in front of us at the moment. In that way they are a representation of reality. I didn't mean they are official spokespeople!  |
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amoux
United Kingdom
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Posted - Dec 11 2011 : 09:36:52 AM
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Originally posted by maheswari
Etherfish has a point....Oneness includes all even the relative thoughts...
I don't see any arguments about that |
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amoux
United Kingdom
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Posted - Dec 11 2011 : 09:37:59 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Etherfish
Maybe I should use other words:
Thoughts are an abstraction that allows us to talk about things that are not in front of us at the moment. In that way they are a representation of reality. I didn't mean they are official spokespeople!
Whew - that's a relief! |
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Holy
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Posted - Jan 09 2012 : 10:26:08 PM
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But why is it that we are so prone to grasp at the thoughts that occur within our own mind - to hold onto them and become identified with them?
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What's the answer to the questions?
Noone grasps at thoughts, it just looks like so. Even Adya's words ar part of the god-cheat that noone can escape. |
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Swan
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Posted - Jan 09 2012 : 11:52:22 PM
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I think we believe in our thoughts because those arise from our mental conditioning, which gives us a feel that we know where the thought is coming from, and a feel that we see the reason behind it. It's like the thought is the weather and the mental conditioning is the climate. When we face other's thoughts (which arose from a different mental conditioning), we take the thought and try to understand it in the light of our mental conditioning. When they do not jel well, we fail to see the base, and label the though as wrong or baseless.
When we are successful in relating both, we like and agree with the thoughts, but chances are there that what we understand is actually far off from what was intended to be communicated |
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Etherfish
USA
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Posted - Jan 10 2012 : 08:30:16 AM
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| I agree Swan. This is why people disagree; it is a disagreement of how words represent reality, not the subject at hand. |
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Adyashanti wisdom on believing our thoughts
