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417 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com> Date: Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:30pm Subject: Timers (to time practice duration) jim_and_his_... Offline Send Email What are you all using for timers to time your practices?
It's a tricky thing. Mechanical egg timers tick (distracting) and ring LOUDLY. Digital ones don't tick, but also ring loudly, plus they ring continuously until stopped (and I'd rather not fidget with gizmos). Also, unless you've got a fancy one, you'll have to reset the timer after spinal breathing to time the mediation. That's a pain.
Here's the solution I found. There are freeware computer programs that can time multiple events, and chime only once per event (and of course your computer's volume is adjustable). If you practice anywhere the computer, or own a laptop, you're all set. If you practice in a room away from the computer, setting the computer on full volume will probably work fine (and if you choose a short duration alarm sound, you won't disturb others).
I'm a Mac user, and I use FOB (<http://www.version tracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/ 18024>). Since I'm currently doing 10 mins spinal breathing and 20 minutes meditation, I set it like this:
alarm 1: 11 minues (an extra minute for me to go sit down) alarm 2: 32 minutes (rings 20 minutes after spinal breathing, including a minute of rest between).
If anyone is using a PC equivalent, please post the URL! 420 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com> Date: Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:13pm Subject: Re: Timers (to time practice duration) jim_and_his_... Offline Send Email Hmm, I see Yogani recommends just letting your body naturally find the time duration. I'd missed that lesson the first time. On the other hand, I can get pretty out of it, and it I'm not going to overdo it, it can't hurt to have a gentle chime going somewhere... 423 From: "nearoanoke" <nearoanoke@yahoo.com> Date: Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:24pm Subject: Re: Timers (to time practice duration) nearoanoke Offline Send Email Yeah yogani recommends against the timers. It is not a good idea to go by timers and they can be very disturbing especially at the end of meditation where we might be deep in our silence.
And also the amount of time you do need not be exactly fixed. It can go 5 +/- minutes. Especially because all your days need not be the same, depending on the stress levels etc... Just go with your natural inner clock.
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@y...> wrote: > > > Hmm, I see Yogani recommends just letting your body naturally find the time duration. I'd > missed that lesson the first time. On the other hand, I can get pretty out of it, and it I'm > not going to overdo it, it can't hurt to have a gentle chime going somewhere... 424 From: victor yj <vic@yahoo.com> Date: Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:37pm Subject: Re: Re: Timers (to time practice duration) vic Offline Send Email For Pranayama I peak at my watch from time to time. For meditation I use the old fasioned method. Beads. I know that Yogani doesn't recommend them but they are a traditional method and still work as a counting device. That and the fingers on the beads helps with any litle restlesness that comes up.
nearoanoke <nearoanoke@yahoo.com> wrote: Yeah yogani recommends against the timers. It is not a good idea to go by timers and they can be very disturbing especially at the end of meditation where we might be deep in our silence.
And also the amount of time you do need not be exactly fixed. It can go 5 +/- minutes. Especially because all your days need not be the same, depending on the stress levels etc... Just go with your natural inner clock.
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@y...> wrote: > > > Hmm, I see Yogani recommends just letting your body naturally find the time duration. I'd > missed that lesson the first time. On the other hand, I can get pretty out of it, and it I'm > not going to overdo it, it can't hurt to have a gentle chime going somewhere...
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 427 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com> Date: Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:17am Subject: Re: Timers (to time practice duration) jim_and_his_... Offline Send Email The watch thing would kill me. My meditation would very quickly become all about not looking at the watch!
I think I'll do a compromise. I'll make my computer chime on the softest setting possible for a couple weeks, then, once I feel like I've internalized the length of time, just wing it.
Meanwhile, I'm grateful for the timer computer programmer. An egg timer's way too loud and jarring, and, again, peaking at a watch would make me insane.
As for beads, do you use them throughout the day, Victor?
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, victor yj <vic@y...> wrote: > For Pranayama I peak at my watch from time to time. For meditation I use the old fasioned method. Beads. I know that Yogani doesn't recommend them but they are a traditional method and still work as a counting device. That and the fingers on the beads helps with any litle restlesness that comes up. > > nearoanoke <nearoanoke@y...> wrote: > Yeah yogani recommends against the timers. It is not a good idea to > go by timers and they can be very disturbing especially at the end > of meditation where we might be deep in our silence. > > And also the amount of time you do need not be exactly fixed. It can > go 5 +/- minutes. Especially because all your days need not be the > same, depending on the stress levels etc... Just go with your > natural inner clock. > > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim_and_his_karma" > <jim_and_his_karma@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Hmm, I see Yogani recommends just letting your body naturally find > the time duration. I'd > > missed that lesson the first time. On the other hand, I can get > pretty out of it, and it I'm > > not going to overdo it, it can't hurt to have a gentle chime going > somewhere... > > > > > > For the AYP Lessons and Books, go to: > http://www.geocities.com/advancedyogapractices -- > To change your email delivery to "daily digest," send a blank email to: > AYPforum-digest@yahoogroups.com -- > To stop email delivery and use "web viewing only," send a blank email to: > AYPforum-nomail@yahoogroups.com -- > To resume "individual email delivery," send a blank email to: > AYPforum-normal@yahoogroups.com > You can also make these changes in "Edit my Membership" on the group home page. > > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AYPforum/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AYPforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 434 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com> Date: Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:12am Subject: Re: Timers (to time practice duration) obsidian9999 Offline Send Email Jim,
In the past I have used a digital timer and made it quieter by dulling the speaker somehow; I think I partially covered it with that sticky stuff you can hang posters up with. I got over the problem of not wanting to do separate time settings by having a second timer; I had a digital watch with a countdown timer.
-David
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@y...> wrote: > > > The watch thing would kill me. My meditation would very quickly become all about not > looking at the watch! > > I think I'll do a compromise. I'll make my computer chime on the softest setting possible > for a couple weeks, then, once I feel like I've internalized the length of time, just wing it. > > Meanwhile, I'm grateful for the timer computer programmer. An egg timer's way too loud > and jarring, and, again, peaking at a watch would make me insane. > > As for beads, do you use them throughout the day, Victor? > > > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, victor yj <vic@y...> wrote: > > For Pranayama I peak at my watch from time to time. For meditation I use the old > fasioned method. Beads. I know that Yogani doesn't recommend them but they are a > traditional method and still work as a counting device. That and the fingers on the beads > helps with any litle restlesness that comes up. > > > > nearoanoke <nearoanoke@y...> wrote: > > Yeah yogani recommends against the timers. It is not a good idea to > > go by timers and they can be very disturbing especially at the end > > of meditation where we might be deep in our silence. > > > > And also the amount of time you do need not be exactly fixed. It can > > go 5 +/- minutes. Especially because all your days need not be the > > same, depending on the stress levels etc... Just go with your > > natural inner clock. > > > > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim_and_his_karma" > > <jim_and_his_karma@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I see Yogani recommends just letting your body naturally find > > the time duration. I'd > > > missed that lesson the first time. On the other hand, I can get > > pretty out of it, and it I'm > > > not going to overdo it, it can't hurt to have a gentle chime going > > somewhere... > > > > > > > > > > > > For the AYP Lessons and Books, go to: > > http://www.geocities.com/advancedyogapractices -- > > To change your email delivery to "daily digest," send a blank email to: > > AYPforum-digest@yahoogroups.com -- > > To stop email delivery and use "web viewing only," send a blank email to: > > AYPforum-nomail@yahoogroups.com -- > > To resume "individual email delivery," send a blank email to: > > AYPforum-normal@yahoogroups.com > > You can also make these changes in "Edit my Membership" on the group home page. > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AYPforum/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > AYPforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 436 From: victor yj <vic@yahoo.com> Date: Mon Mar 21, 2005 0:54pm Subject: Re: Re: Timers (to time practice duration) vic Offline Send Email Sometimes I do use the beads throughout the day though Yogani advises against it. Yogani prefers to use the mantra while doing meditation and not other times. Sometimes when I am driving I am inclined to do mantra but it does make me a little less alert I think.
jim_and_his_karma <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com> wrote:
The watch thing would kill me. My meditation would very quickly become all about not looking at the watch!
I think I'll do a compromise. I'll make my computer chime on the softest setting possible for a couple weeks, then, once I feel like I've internalized the length of time, just wing it.
Meanwhile, I'm grateful for the timer computer programmer. An egg timer's way too loud and jarring, and, again, peaking at a watch would make me insane.
As for beads, do you use them throughout the day, Victor?
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, victor yj <vic@y...> wrote: > For Pranayama I peak at my watch from time to time. For meditation I use the old fasioned method. Beads. I know that Yogani doesn't recommend them but they are a traditional method and still work as a counting device. That and the fingers on the beads helps with any litle restlesness that comes up. > > nearoanoke <nearoanoke@y...> wrote: > Yeah yogani recommends against the timers. It is not a good idea to > go by timers and they can be very disturbing especially at the end > of meditation where we might be deep in our silence. > > And also the amount of time you do need not be exactly fixed. It can > go 5 +/- minutes. Especially because all your days need not be the > same, depending on the stress levels etc... Just go with your > natural inner clock. > > --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim_and_his_karma" > <jim_and_his_karma@y...> wrote: > > > > > > Hmm, I see Yogani recommends just letting your body naturally find > the time duration. I'd > > missed that lesson the first time. On the other hand, I can get > pretty out of it, and it I'm > > not going to overdo it, it can't hurt to have a gentle chime going > somewhere... > > > > > > For the AYP Lessons and Books, go to: > http://www.geocities.com/advancedyogapractices -- > To change your email delivery to "daily digest," send a blank email to: > AYPforum-digest@yahoogroups.com -- > To stop email delivery and use "web viewing only," send a blank email to: > AYPforum-nomail@yahoogroups.com -- > To resume "individual email delivery," send a blank email to: > AYPforum-normal@yahoogroups.com > You can also make these changes in "Edit my Membership" on the group home page. > > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AYPforum/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > AYPforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 450 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com> Date: Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:30pm Subject: Re: Timers (to time practice duration) jim_and_his_... Offline Send Email << Yogani prefers to use the mantra while doing meditation and not other times.
yes, I don't fully understand Yogani's approach to mantra; the usual goal is to become one with the mantra, i.e. have it be unceasing. Yogani's got another approach, and I have no doubt it's based in proven practical experience, so I'm following it. But it definitely isn't conventional! 442 From: "PParry" <pparry@img.net> Date: Mon Mar 21, 2005 4:44pm Subject: Re: Re: Timers (to time practice duration) hermes_chela Offline Send Email >> I'll make my computer chime on the softest setting possible > Meanwhile, I'm grateful for the timer computer programmer.
Dear Jim,
Is this feature built in on every computer? or did you you have to download it from somewhere. I have been wanting such a thing for ages! Any help on this much appreciated...thanks kindly!
love, patricia 449 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com> Date: Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:29pm Subject: Re: Timers (to time practice duration) jim_and_his_... Offline Send Email Patricia, work your way to the beginning of this discussion for more info.
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "PParry" <pparry@i...> wrote: > > >> I'll make my computer chime on the softest setting possible > > Meanwhile, I'm grateful for the timer computer programmer. > > Dear Jim, > > Is this feature built in on every computer? or did you you have to download > it from somewhere. I have been wanting such a thing for ages! > Any help on this much appreciated...thanks kindly! > > love, > patricia
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