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Tibetan_Ice
Canada
758 Posts |
 Posted - Aug 29 2011 : 12:54:09 AM
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**** The Light ****
Once, I found the Light.
I was totally immersed!
The Light was so loving, joyful and happy
I could not believe it.
It loved me like I have never been loved.
It felt like me.
Joy, Peace, Love beyond belief.
Great Bliss!
I just had to laugh. Unbelievable!
Meditate on the Light.
The Light is always there
and always has been,
Peeking at me as I fall asleep,
Hiding behind the mantra and a sneeze,
Little dips here and there into the Light.
The Light is always there.
Is it me? Is it God?
Meditate on the light.
I love the Light and it loves me.
If I had only one desire
it would be to remain in the Light forever.
Such Bliss! Such Joy! Such Love!
Meditate on the Light.
I brought the light down
and healed my tooth.
I brought the light down my spine
and then back up and experienced
ecstasy like 1000 orgasms.
Is it the same Light?
One day the sutra "love" exploded in my heart.
I saw planes and planes of beings and
landscapes shining in the Light.
The Light is all around!
Meditate on the Light.
I am born of the Light
I live by the Light
and I will die in the Light (hopefully!).
May I be submerged forever in the Light.
May it heal my pain and suffering,
remove my idiotic desires and lusts
and burn my karma from the past, present and future,
forever and ever!
May you be submerged forever in the Light.
May it heal your pain and suffering,
remove your idiotic desires and lusts
and burn your karma from the past, present and future
forever and ever!
Meditate on the light.
Can I share the light with others?
Can they partake in this wonderous miracle?
Will they see the Light?
Can they experience the same Joy, Peace, Bliss and comfort
like no other that I've felt before?
Will they believe that such a thing is possible?
An experience is worth a thousand words.
Some have had glimpses! O wonderous day!
Don't they realize?
Meditate on the Light.
The Light is all around,
glimpses can be seen through the holes,
the holes in your mind,
the hole in your heart.
Keep digging those holes!
Meditate on the Light.
May all the beings in the universes and planes
be granted a taste of this Heavenly delight!
May the Light remove their pain and sorrows
and heal their wounds.
May it give them hope and understanding,
and Great Bliss!
I sincerely wish from the bottom of my heart
that all sentient beings may experience the Light
as I have.
Meditate on the Light.
In the beginning, God said "Let there be Light"!!!
Who said, "I am the light of the world he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life." ?
Meditate on the Light.
May it fill your heart and bless you with realization, with enLightenment.
And now I lay me down to sleep,
I pray the Light my soul to keep,
And should I die before I wake,
I pray the Light my soul to take.
:)
TI
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manigma
India
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Posted - Aug 29 2011 : 05:11:49 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Tibetan_Ice
May it fill your heart and bless you with realization, with enLightenment.
And now I lay me down to sleep,
I pray the Light my soul to keep,
And should I die before I wake,
I pray the Light my soul to take.
Wow... that's great TI. Now you not only sound enlightened, but overenlightened.
I can't believe this. I am very happy for you. 
Neither God.
Nor Man.
I am the creator of both.
The unmanifest and the manifest... both emerge from me.
I am unborn.
I am eternal.
I can not be destroyed.
Because I was never created.
I can not be enlightened.
Because I was never unenlightened.
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I am still.
And I dance.
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I can shut my eyes.
And open them.
That's all... I am.
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....OPIC_ID=7740
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jeff
USA
971 Posts |
Posted - Aug 29 2011 : 08:41:34 AM
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Meditate on the Light...
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Tibetan_Ice
Canada
758 Posts |
Posted - Aug 30 2011 : 2:25:37 PM
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Hi, :)
It is very strange.
For the past three days I have been experiencing a strange kind of phenomenon.
I can shift my point of view and then the world, the physical plane looks like a movie. Like I'm watching my small self going through motions, thinking these piddly thoughts, it all seems so insignificant and small. Like watching a TV show on a TV with fuzzy reception. Like watching a goldfish in a bowl.
It is a very subtle shift, to a place higher up behind the back of the head, or perhaps more at the top. It doesn't feel like a place, there is no goldfish bowl enclosing anything there. It feels wide open, with blue sky and no cares. It feels like "me". It is kind of happy there, carefree and clear.
I keep switching back and forth between the two points of view. It doesn't seem to be going away. I can be in it, or out of it. Back in, switch out. I notice that when the little me gets caught up in the present moment, when things start to get serious or too much, then I switch out and the world loses it's impact. It's like I've discovered an automatic "movie mode" button on my remote control. Quick! Somebody get me some popcorn!
I've also noticed that my thoughts seem to be tangible and quite separate from "me". It's hard to take them seriously.
And I have this joy, and peace and a big desire to make up jokes, to laugh and be happy.
I wonder what that is?
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Tibetan_Ice
Canada
758 Posts |
Posted - Aug 30 2011 : 2:32:28 PM
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Originally posted by manigma
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I can shut my eyes.
And open them.
That's all... I am.[/i]
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....OPIC_ID=7740
Hi Manigma :)
I think the Light is Nisargadatta's "I AM", the feeling of "I AM", because it feels like "me".
I think the Light is the higher self, the Big Mind in Zen, the higher self in Huna, emptiness in Buddhism.
I think the Light is the doorway..
:)
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CarsonZi
Canada
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Posted - Aug 30 2011 : 2:43:00 PM
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Hi TI
I had an interesting experience with "the Light" yesterday so I figured I would share it here with you.
I was doing my practices (7.5min SBP, 20 mins DM using the "I am" mantra, and 8 minutes of samyama followed by 20 mins rest) and was about to do the Unity sutra in samyama when my "gaze" naturally relaxed and the "spaces" in-between the darkness of my shut eyes opened up to reveal "The Light." As this happened I had a massive energy surge accompanied with a drastic increase in the amount of "mint sensation" between the heart center and the nostrils (the mint sensation I've described in my "Strange Gurglings" thread). Thought it was interesting, the light was sure beautiful, but I still went back to my sutras and continued until I was done. I did find that there was a dramatic increase in "insight" into "my self" during the rest period, but I tried not to latch on to those insights knowing that if I needed to ponder them further that they would resurface again and again. Just thought it was neat and since you seem to enjoy talking about the Light I figured I would share it with you.
Love!
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jeff
USA
971 Posts |
Posted - Aug 30 2011 : 3:34:05 PM
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TI,
Sounds very cool... Looking forward to some of those jokes...
From both of the two different perspectives... Does it feel like you go into the light? Or, does it feel like you let in the light?
Or, are you the light?
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Tibetan_Ice
Canada
758 Posts |
Posted - Aug 30 2011 : 6:39:01 PM
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Originally posted by CarsonZi
Hi TI
I had an interesting experience with "the Light" yesterday so I figured I would share it here with you.
I was doing my practices (7.5min SBP, 20 mins DM using the "I am" mantra, and 8 minutes of samyama followed by 20 mins rest) and was about to do the Unity sutra in samyama when my "gaze" naturally relaxed and the "spaces" in-between the darkness of my shut eyes opened up to reveal "The Light." As this happened I had a massive energy surge accompanied with a drastic increase in the amount of "mint sensation" between the heart center and the nostrils (the mint sensation I've described in my "Strange Gurglings" thread). Thought it was interesting, the light was sure beautiful, but I still went back to my sutras and continued until I was done. I did find that there was a dramatic increase in "insight" into "my self" during the rest period, but I tried not to latch on to those insights knowing that if I needed to ponder them further that they would resurface again and again. Just thought it was neat and since you seem to enjoy talking about the Light I figured I would share it with you.
Love!
Hi Carson :)
Thank you for sharing your experience!
About that energy surge, yes, I know kundalini wants to go to the Light too. I know you have had some experiences with the Light, like that group meditation where the yoga teacher brought the Light down from the crown and you went into Kriyas and freaked everybody out. So, I guess I don't have to express concern about the power there.
One time, when I saw the Light through the third eye, I almost instantly combusted (all within 2 minutes of sitting down) in a kundalini surge.
Here is a thought for you:
As Nisardatta says in "I AM THAT":
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Q: In what direction am I to look?
M: All directions are within the mind! I am not asking you to look in any particular direction. Just look away from all that happens in your mind and bring it to the feeling 'I am'. The 'I am' is not a direction. It is the negation of all direction. Ultimately even the 'I am' will have to go, for you need not keep on asserting what is obvious. Bringing the mind to the feeling 'I am' merely helps in turning the mind away from everything else.
Q: Where does it all lead me?
M: When the mind is kept away from its preoccupations, it becomes quiet. If you do not disturb this quiet and stay in it, you find that it is permeated with a light and a love you have never known; and yet you recognise it at once as your own nature. Once you have passed through this experience, you will never be the same man again; the unruly mind may break its peace and obliterate its vision; but it is bound to return, provided the effort is sustained; until the day when all bonds are broken, delusions and attachments end and life becomes supremely concentrated in the present.
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Maharaj: The innermost light, shining peacefully and timelessly in the heart, is the real Guru. All others merely show the way.
:)
TI
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Tibetan_Ice
Canada
758 Posts |
Posted - Aug 30 2011 : 7:18:30 PM
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Originally posted by jeff
TI,
Sounds very cool... Looking forward to some of those jokes...
Hi Jeff :)
Ok. Here is a joke:
Q: What did the enlightened dislexic blame it on?
A: Dunkanili
(Dunk a nil i)
(parish the thought!)
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From both of the two different perspectives... Does it feel like you go into the light? Or, does it feel like you let in the light?
Or, are you the light?
I would have to say yes to all three.
:)
TI
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jeff
USA
971 Posts |
Posted - Aug 30 2011 : 8:03:56 PM
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TI,
Thanks for the response.
Oh, and the joke too... |
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manigma
India
1065 Posts |
Posted - Aug 30 2011 : 11:29:04 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Tibetan_Ice
quote:
Originally posted by manigma
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I can shut my eyes.
And open them.
That's all... I am.[/i]
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....OPIC_ID=7740
Hi Manigma :)
I think the Light is Nisargadatta's "I AM", the feeling of "I AM", because it feels like "me".
I think the Light is the higher self, the Big Mind in Zen, the higher self in Huna, emptiness in Buddhism.
I think the Light is the doorway..
:)
TI
That is a lot of thinking.
Neither Darkness
Nor Light
I Am.
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Tibetan_Ice
Canada
758 Posts |
Posted - Sep 01 2011 : 12:31:17 AM
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Hi, :)
Back in January, when I was doing a form of self-inquiry, seeking the "I AM", I came upon this golden ball of light.
This is what I wrote about it:
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The circle of self attention, directed inwards towards the source of awareness, compressed (or revealed itself) and I found myself staring at a golden ball with various colors of light hanging around it's outside. When I asked the question "who is seeing this ball of fluidic light" I found myself inside the golden ball of light and could no longer see it. It felt very blissful, quiet and peaceful. Then, when I asked "who is feeling this bliss, quiet and peace?" I was ejected from that state and I realized that the mind was surrounding it with thoughts, and that my small mind had posed the question. I could see a meshing of white light filaments that I knew were thoughts. I came to the conclusion that thoughts can create other thoughts and that thoughts can grasp onto other thoughts. But inside the golden ball of light it was different. The thoughts were out there and "I" was in here.
Then I remembered, "Abide as the self". So I went back into the ball of golden luminous light and tried to stay there. It felt so wonderful, quiet, blissful, peaceful.. Then I came out, went back in, came out and kept this up for a bit. When I was out I could see the golden ball, the feeling was mildy ecstatic and I could sense the inner body. There were very fine tingles/vibrations spreading downwards towards my heart and it caused very ecstatic vibrations in the heart. Then the feeling continued down to the root.. all three centres were becoming alive with ecstatic vibrations. Then I felt a nice warmth emanate from top of the neck/base of the brain and go down the spine (or sushumna..?) I was surprised that there were ecstatic energy flows occurring.. uh, well maybe not now. I just remembered about melting the white drops causing them to drip down the sushumna (Tibetan Tummo practices..) causing ecstatic flows..
I now see that Christi correctly identified the golden ball of light as the causal body. Or at least, Christi and Saraswati are saying the same thing. Not that Saraswati is the final authority on such matters, but it is nice to find a confirmation from a spiritual source.
At the recommendation of Jamie Radha, I bought Saraswati's book called "Kundalini Tantra" and have been reading it.
Today, I came upon this next quote in that book.
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No. 20: Dhyana (meditation)
You have realized your astral body as a single point of light. Now look closer at that
point of light and you will see it take the form of a golden egg. As you watch this golden
egg, it will begin to expand. The golden egg is luminous and glowing intensely; however,
it does not give off any rays of light. As the golden egg becomes larger, it will begin to
take on the same shape as that of your astral and physical bodies. This form, however, is
not a material or even a subtle form. This form is glowing light. It is your causal self.
!!
In that book, that step is the last of 20 steps or kriyas that one learns in order to bring kundalini up and finally realize the self.
It is kind of funny. Step 16 is "infusing the divine prana". In that step you take the divine white light down the spine:
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No. 16: Prana ahuti (infusing the divine prana)
Sit in siddhasana, siddha yoni asana or padmasana. Close your eyes and breathe
normally. Feel the soft touch of a divine hand lying on your head. The hand is infusing
subtle prana into your body and mind and the prana is travelling down from sahasrara
through the spinal passage. You may experience it as a wave of cold, heat, energy,
electric current, or as a stream of wind or liquid. Its passage will result in vibrations,
shocks, jerks or tickling sensations which course through you. When the prana has
reached mooladhara, then immediately go on to the next kriya without waiting to
experience the prana a second time.
In Step 17, you raise kundalini up to the head. Kundalini looks like a big thick reptile of a snake with green scales. This procedure the book says is slightly different from the kundalini meditations that I did, though..
In Step 18, you sit still and your body becomes still like a rock.
In step 19, you notice your astral body breathing. After that, you realize the causal body (golden ball of light) as in step 20.
The reason it is so funny is because I raised kundalini twice by doing this kundalini meditation that I found on the crystal links web site. I brought the white light down to the root and the snake up to the head. I have also had many meditations where I've watched something breathing, I thought it was the etheric body contracting and expanding. I did notice it but never paid that much attention to it. I've had experiences where my body felt like a rock, and that I was floating apart from it. And now, after reading about the causal body that I perceived through meditating on focusing on the watcher, I now realize that I've done all of the last steps in the Kriya lessons, only not in that order.
This is what the book says:
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The practices are divided into three groups: those which induce pratyahara, those
which induce dharana, and those which induce dhyana. It should be noted that these three
states are actually a continuity of evolution, that is, the consciousness flows from one to
the next without any apparent dividing point - so these practices should be done in an
unbroken sequence. Of course, from the first day, the practice of these kriyas will not
necessarily lead to such exalted states of awareness, but if they are practised properly
with correct guidance, by an aspirant who is ready for them, then most likely, one day
they will. It will be at that stage that the constant, unbroken progression of awareness will
become essential. Remember, you should learn one kriya per week.
Now I know that you don't have to do them in that order in order to realize the causal body and go inside. However, it might help, especially if you have no road map, but I think it doesn't matter, because I did not follow those steps (steps 1 to 20). In the book you are supposed to spend a week on each kriya (or practice), so it might take you 20 weeks to realize the causal body, if you are gifted or very advanced, if you can learn the lessons and do them properly first off. More likely it would take months or years of practice, and there may be a dependency on actually raising the kundalini.
Because of my experience with the golden ball of light, I would say that you just have to sit and do a meditation of focusing totally on the watcher. This was my intent for those meditations that I was doing: "If you can see or hear something, that is not it. If you can see or hear something (even a thought), turn your attention 180 degrees around and keep pushing your attention towards the watcher."
You will find it. You will see the golden ball of light. And, if you treat the golden ball like another object, and keep reversing your attention back to the watcher, you end up inside the golden ball of light. That is what I did. To me, that is true self inquiry. That is what Ramana and Nisargadatta are saying. "Who am I?" Focus on the "I AM". etc.. !!
It is so nice to actually read about this experience from another source (Saraswati's book). It confirms that the method of turning attention back on the watcher is correct and actually works.
Now I know what I'm going to be doing next!! Back to the golden ball of light!
You see, I hadn't realized what I had stumbled across. I had since abandoned that form of meditation because I did not place that much importance on the experience. But now I think I should spend more time inside the golden ball and see what that develops into.
And now, you know too.
:)
TI
P.S.
I'm kind of embarassed a bit, because this post does sound somewhat egotistical. Perhaps I am further along than I thought! Yay for me!!
To me, what I have recounted and realized only fortifies the importance of knowing the scenery that you will run into on your spiritual journey and using that scenery as a guiding light.
You know, according to Huna philosophy, the importance of experiences and scenery is that it convinces the lower self that something is actually going on. In Huna philosophy, there are three selves, the lower self, the middle self and the higher self. The middle self (normal consciousness) must communicate to the higher self through the lower self. In other words, you have to convince the lower self before the higher self will listen and respond. That is what experiences are for. Experiences aren't just scenery at that level.
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david752
USA
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Posted - Jan 08 2013 : 10:41:44 AM
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I've read most of this thread, and I wanted to reply briefly, in spite of the thread having been inactive for over a year.
First, you all seem to have great respect for Yogani, and occasionally ask him questions. Yet, each time he replies, it is as if he said nothing. Everyone pays him a slight bit of attention, then continues the thread as if his profound knowledge meant nothing to you.
Second, there are only two fundamental "things" in existence: the relative, ever-changing, complex world, and the absolute, never-changing, field of consciousness.
Most of these postings deal with experiences (preferably dramatic, including jellyfish, foxes, bright lights, and energy flows), attempts to understand "spiritual" concepts (the more abstract the better).
My understanding is that all experiences, sensations, feelings, and concepts occurring during deep meditation (or TM or NSR) are the side effects of stress release. I notice that Yogani doesn't emphasize this point, which may be why the rest of you don't.
When you understand what causes stress (sensory or cognitive overload), and what releases stress (deep rest/turiya/restful alertness), it should become clear that the whole process of meditation has as its main goal the elimination of stress from the nervous system. Meditation, then, is a mental practice whose effectiveness has mostly to do with the functioning of the body. All those bright lights, feelings of fireworks, and so forth, are just evidence that the nervous system is restructuring and normalizing. None of it really means anything, as Yogani keeps patiently saying.
The fundamental reason none of this matters is that Enlightenment (or Awakening) is just a shift of identification from the relative to the absolute. The consciousness that we all already have in our very nature can grow to the point where the relative is simply not of interest anymore.
So, memory continues to function, but we don't care. Ego may continue to function, but we don't care. Our daily life, with its three states of consciousness may continue to function, but we don't care. What we do care about is that our consciousness grows to the point where it is all that exists for us. It is all that has any importance, because it is our own nature and because it satisfies all our desires. In fact desires drop away, along with thinking, and being concerned with concepts. What remains is the spaciousness of full awareness, aware of Itself. This has nothing to do with concepts, objects, energy flows, or anything "spiritual". It is a commonplace reality (knowledge and experience) of the Absolute (Atman/Brahman) as being all that is, was, or ever will be. It is ordinary because it is seen as simplicity itself.
As to how we "get there" (how we lose our veil of ignorance), it is an inevitable yet apparently time-consuming and sometimes frustrating process, or path, different for each person. Meditation certainly helps, self-inquiry certainly helps, and other practices may help as well, with various degrees of efficiency. But, ultimately, Awakening will occur for each seeker, and it will be surprising in its simplicity. It is like realizing that we are not images on a screen, but the screen itself. Awakening provides us with the end of all seeking, searching, and dissatisfaction. Arguments come to an end, not because any knowledge arrives, but because pure bliss wipes out the need for knowledge. In our fulfillment, we can be tolerant of all that we formerly believed, and of all that everyone else still believes. All that remains is love, compassion, and acceptance.
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jeff
USA
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Posted - Jan 08 2013 : 11:32:31 AM
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Hi David,
TI no longer posts at AYP, which is why the thread has died.
TI believed that the "lights and visions" were more than just the "reduction of stress in the nervous system". That they were also signposts along the way of the integration of consciousness beyond the local body-mind.
Best wishes, Jeff
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parvati9
USA
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Posted - Jan 25 2013 : 6:56:54 PM
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Hi David,
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Originally posted by david752
The fundamental reason none of this matters is that Enlightenment (or Awakening) is just a shift of identification from the relative to the absolute. The consciousness that we all already have in our very nature can grow to the point where the relative is simply not of interest anymore.
So, memory continues to function, but we don't care. Ego may continue to function, but we don't care. Our daily life, with its three states of consciousness may continue to function, but we don't care. What we do care about is that our consciousness grows to the point where it is all that exists for us. It is all that has any importance, because it is our own nature and because it satisfies all our desires. In fact desires drop away, along with thinking, and being concerned with concepts. What remains is the spaciousness of full awareness, aware of Itself. This has nothing to do with concepts, objects, energy flows, or anything "spiritual". It is a commonplace reality (knowledge and experience) of the Absolute (Atman/Brahman) as being all that is, was, or ever will be. It is ordinary because it is seen as simplicity itself.
Well said. Noob here too. I hope you continue posting in the forum
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