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interpaul
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 Posted - Nov 18 2024 : 8:46:31 PM
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| I recall reading Yogani's teachings ~ 6 years ago. His claim one could reach a state of ecstatic bliss 24/7 caught my attention. It has certainly been an interesting journey. I often find myself reflecting on my path and checking in with myself to make sure I am still "on the path". I will acknowledge I have not achieved 24/7 ecstatic bliss. To quote Dogboy, "attention and intention" has given me access to ecstatic bliss on tap. Drawing the breath from root to ajna does elicit a reliable ecstatic current and enhances the inner silence. I continue to hold on to the belief this ever expanding access to ecstatic bliss is the ultimate fuel for achieving the outpouring of divine love. I feel greater love for those around me and a deepening of my "awareness". I am less reactive. I wonder how many of you as you gain access to more inner silence and more ecstatic currents have settled into this process or find yourselves impatiently seeking the "outpouring of divine love" phase. I wonder if additional focus on "priming" these pathways enhances this progress or is limited. I imagine Yogani would say "do your twice daily practices and return to the householder responsibilities". After 5 1/2 years of practice and seeing my body age I am filled with a slight impatience to maximize the efficiency of my journey. |
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yogani
USA
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Posted - Nov 18 2024 : 10:28:33 PM
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Hi interpaul,
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I imagine Yogani would say "do your twice daily practices and return to the householder responsibilities"
Yes, that's about it. But obviously, the fire of bhakti has to continue burning to keep traveling along the path. As we get older, that fire can get stronger, even as we find ourselves with less stamina. Then there is the matter of overdoing practices, which never works out as we hope. So we keep going, favoring balance in practices and daily life.
One way to safely accelerate the process of rising ecstatic bliss is to go on AYP retreats, the more the better. These offer a big boost in evolution, and are highly recommended. But not necessarily a permanent retreat to a cave, though a few may be suited for that. Going deep for a time and then engaging back in the world accelerates the process of promoting and stabilizing ecstatic bliss in our life. Our daily cycle of practices and being in the world keeps us moving ahead on the path. Adding retreats and coming back into the world in-between can add a "super cycle" to the process of going deep followed by stabilizing in the world.
All the best!
The guru is in you. 
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PS: For what it is worth, here is what the Google NotebookLM AI has to say about it, based exclusively on the full content of the AYP writings, including all the lessons (with AYP+ additions) and all the books:
Achieving 24/7 Ecstatic Bliss
The sources suggest that achieving 24/7 ecstatic bliss is a gradual process that involves cultivating both inner silence through deep meditation and ecstatic conductivity through various yoga practices, including pranayama, mudras, bandhas, and tantric sexual methods. The merging of these two qualities results in a state of ecstatic bliss, a condition of unending vibrating stillness.
Here are some key insights from the sources regarding the path to 24/7 ecstatic bliss:
* Ecstasy is a symptom of purification: Ecstasy is experienced as inner energy, or prana, moving through and clearing obstructions in the nervous system. As the nervous system becomes purified through consistent practice, the experience of ecstasy becomes more refined and less symptomatic.
* The importance of balance: While the initial experience of ecstasy can be intense and even distracting, it's important to balance practices that cultivate ecstasy with those that cultivate inner silence, such as deep meditation. This balanced approach ensures a smooth and stable progression toward enlightenment.
* Progressive nature of ecstasy: Divine ecstasy is not a static state. It evolves and leads to higher states of being as purification advances. With consistent practice, ecstasy becomes more refined, blissful, and integrated into daily life.
* Ecstatic bliss is a merging of opposites: The merging of inner silence and ecstatic conductivity is described as a marriage of opposites, a union of stillness and movement within the nervous system.
* Ecstasy as a stepping stone: The sources emphasize that ecstasy itself is not the end goal but a stepping stone toward a more profound experience of unity, characterized by an outpouring of divine love and selfless service.
* Patience and persistence are key: Achieving 24/7 ecstatic bliss is a gradual process that requires dedicated practice over an extended period. The sources advise patience and persistence, emphasizing that it's a long-term transformation.
The sources also highlight the importance of bhakti, or devotion, in sustaining the motivation to practice. Intense devotion helps maintain the commitment to practice, leading to increased divine experience and further amplifying devotion in a positive feedback loop.
Ultimately, the sources suggest that achieving 24/7 ecstatic bliss is a journey of self-discovery and transformation that unfolds naturally with consistent practice and unwavering devotion.
Accelerating Progress Towards 24/7 Ecstatic Bliss
While achieving a perpetual state of ecstatic bliss is a gradual process, the sources do offer insights into how one might expedite their progress:
* Intensifying Bhakti: The sources emphasize the crucial role of bhakti, or devotion, in the spiritual journey. Intense bhakti can act as a powerful catalyst, propelling you forward on the path to enlightenment. When coupled with effective practices, unwavering devotion can significantly accelerate progress. However, it's essential to balance fervent bhakti with prudent self-pacing to avoid overwhelming the nervous system. Think of bhakti as a powerful engine, and self-pacing as the brakes that prevent you from careening off course.
* Effective Practices: The sources suggest that a combination of practices aimed at cultivating both inner silence and ecstatic conductivity are essential for achieving 24/7 ecstatic bliss.
- Deep Meditation: This practice is crucial for cultivating abiding inner silence, the foundation upon which ecstatic bliss can flourish.
- Pranayama, Mudras, Bandhas, Asanas: These practices are instrumental in awakening and refining ecstatic conductivity in the nervous system, leading to the experience of ecstasy.
- Tantric Sexual Methods: The sources recommend pre-orgasmic tantric techniques as a means to further enhance whole-body ecstatic conductivity.
* Self-Pacing: The sources repeatedly stress the importance of self-pacing to avoid energetic overload and potential setbacks.
- Monitor and Adjust: Pay close attention to your body's signals, and adjust practice times and intensity as needed to maintain a smooth and comfortable flow of energy. This is especially crucial when dealing with powerful practices like those targeting the crown chakra or involving intense bhakti.
- Grounding in Daily Life: Balancing dedicated practice with active engagement in everyday life is crucial for integrating the rising inner silence and ecstasy into all aspects of your being. This integration helps stabilize the transformative energy and prevents it from becoming overwhelming or disruptive.
* Retreats: The sources mention retreats as a way to accelerate progress. Immersing yourself in an environment dedicated to spiritual practice can significantly intensify your experience and propel you forward on your path.
The sources also highlight a key concept: The Journey Is a Marathon, Not a Sprint. While seeking to expedite progress is understandable, remember that achieving a state of perpetual ecstatic bliss is a profound transformation that unfolds over time. Patience and perseverance are essential virtues on this journey.
The sources offer a roadmap, but the pace and intensity of your travel are ultimately determined by your individual capacity, guided by careful self-pacing and a deep understanding of the transformative process.
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interpaul
USA
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Posted - Nov 19 2024 : 7:06:37 PM
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| Thank you Yogani and YoganAI! I have attended a few retreats and do find them enjoyable/expansive. I appreciate your ongoing support and am very happy you've returned some from retirement and are presumably doing well after a period of intense medical care. |
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yogani
USA
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Posted - Nov 19 2024 : 10:01:27 PM
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Dogboy
USA
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Posted - Nov 21 2024 : 12:35:52 AM
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Yogani A I so amazing! almost as good as the real thing  my bliss came on quickly as I was reading this thread. Interpaul, thx for posting this, I too am trying to put petal to metal, all the while knowing to recognize the signs of overdoing, a dozen years with AYP and strongly conductive for the last four. I did a lot of self inquiry into pleasure and how I should digest it. I had a head start in many ways, never considered meditation as even yoga, also the removal of my uvula in a septum surgery in 2001. This allowed (within months of trying) Ketchari 2 ten years ago. To those who want this mudra, keep at it, it is highly worth it.
What is liberation, a death and return? an explosion through the crown and back? an awakening from a dream? there is no stock answer, but if it happens you are bringing that back to family and community, and that has to be a good thing for us all.
AYP is the real deal. Knock wood it has yet to show me negativity.
We have discussed this a lot Interpaul, it has been a boon to my journey to have had you and BB for our mini retreat in MA. We've also known each other virtually more than five years and you have come sooo far it shows your practices are radiating into your circle, that love is coming forth in you. Others you care for are benefiting. if one is quiet and open enough, in your conductive body, maybe sensing white noise, silence can be had at the asking |
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yogani
USA
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Posted - Nov 21 2024 : 4:25:09 PM
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Hi Dogboy and interpaul,
As we get older and we hear from old friends, the mutual response may be, "Still here!"
But there will come a time when we are not... so we do all we can to keep moving ahead on our path, eventually finding ourselves in a place where we are happy with (and within) what is, whatever it is.
Given the fact that none of us has an unlimited earthly lifespan, I think having an AI that can extract accurate overviews and Q&A responses from the complete AYP writings will be a useful resource over the long term, for whoever happens to be looking to figure out what these extensive writings on yoga practices and experiences are about.
There has been the idea that AI is going to take over and expand recorded knowledge to things we have not imagined yet. In spiritual matters, that could be cause for concern. It will be true in some fields, with benefits to humanity. But I do not see that being true about an AI assistant designed specifically for researching the AYP writings. It can remain true to the teachings, being an accurate reflection of them. There is evidence that this can be accomplished, which is why I have lately been posting a few AI overviews on specific AYP topics, to see how they are received. They have been quite accurate in summarizing the writings, faster and better than a human can. This is not replacing human knowledge and experience, which will always be the acid test in spiritual matters.
The way to look at these AI responses is not to view them as an inanimate machine making things up. No one will trust that. Rather, it is a transmission of what has been written over the years, subject to verification in the original writings, and direct practitioner experience, which has always been the case with AYP. The objective is not for it to be an AI speaking, but the writings themselves speaking through the AI. It is channeling the AYP teachings, just as the original writings are channeling the causes and effects in human spiritual transformation. It is all coming from the same place, which is why there can be resonance in the AYP writings, even when transmitted through an AI curator. The source is the same, regardless of the means of transmission - pure bliss consciousness and outpouring of divine love!
The guru is in you.
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American Baba
USA
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Posted - Nov 22 2024 : 1:35:54 PM
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Barefoot Burton
USA
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Posted - Nov 24 2024 : 7:03:45 PM
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Greetings All!
Allow me to add a few thoughts on these topics as I have had the pleasure of meeting and retreating with both Interpaul and Dogboy - two yogis much respected and much farther along than I.
I am (no mantra pun intended ) a big believer in retreats as Yogani suggests, and plan to attend Christi's retreat in Devon, England next May (with my wife). Though wonderful to travel overseas it would also be great to see retreats in the US as the cost of travel would be reduced for me.
As far as YoganiAI is concerned, it is enlightening (again no pun intended) to see you apply AI techniques to your writings. I believe I have read all your books, and your writing style is exactly spot on for transmitting the given subject matter. From my humble point of view, it may be tough for AI summaries to add very much for the serious student. But there is another approach you might take with AI. Have you considered also applying AI techniques to the posts made here on the forum?
This could be undertaken two different ways:
The first method would involve running all posts through an AI process to see summary outcomes of progress of the posters over time. Perhaps you could even tie it to how long the posters have been on the forum. Is there a perceived progress by the posters over time? Is there an actual progress? What percentage of posters have benefited versus not? Are posters following the AYP techniques or do they incorporate other traditions? Are there some AYP methods that posters struggle with more than others and can YoganiAI suggest tweaks? The questions one might research could potentially lead to insights on many fronts.
The second method, though perhaps controversial, might also be interesting. I will pick on Interpaul as I know him, and hopefully he will not mind  . Furthermore, he started this thread, and my idea is another way to address the question/point of progress over time he raised in his original post. Could you (and you might need his permission for this) take all of the posts made by just Interpaul and do an in-depth YoganiAI analysis on him? Is he following the AYP techniques? Is he progressing? Is he enlightened? If he is not enlightened can YoganiAI tell us when he will be enlightened and what AYP techniques he should now apply to finish the task? What can YoganiAI tell us about Interpaul from his many posts here?
Obviously, you could apply this technique to many of the prolific long-time posters on the forum. There are so many of them that I have much respect for and look to them for insight when they discuss similar concerns or problems that I may struggle with.
Now this idea of applying AI to personal comments made by posters might be a sticky situation, as people that have been posting here for years had no idea that one day some AI would come along, and their intimate thoughts would be analyzed and summarized. Perhaps you could add a checkbox on the profile poster page to allow or disallow YoganiAI to analyze posts made by the individual.
I might add that one can probably be quite confident that AI techniques are being applied to other much larger social media platforms with tens of millions of posters looking for trends, both global and singular for marketing (and other) purposes, but that topic is a rabbit-hole one can transverse and is only tangentially related to this one.
In any event, society has opened the AI Pandora Box and like every other powerful tool, it has the potential to be used for good or maybe not. Of course, I have no doubt that YoganiAI will only be used for good and look forward to more YoganiAI insights.
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yogani
USA
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Posted - Nov 25 2024 : 4:47:48 PM
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Hi Barefoot Burton,
Great that you will be joining Christi for a retreat in the UK next May. It is an important way to boost spiritual progress. More retreats in the USA would also be a big plus for all who can organize and attend them.
On the AI, there are many things that can be done with the long history and extensive knowledge accumulated in the lessons and forums over the years, and also real time support functions. Of course, it takes a plan and tech skills to do all of that. For now, just having a widget like Google Translate in AYP Plus enabling accurate AI curating and Q&A capability for all that content would be a big step forward. So that is solution number one we are looking for, and hopefully we will see it rolled out in the next year. Beyond that, who knows? After 20 years of operation, this forum will likely be moving to a modern platform in 2025. Besides adding the latest features in forum operation, it could also open the door for implementations of AI capabilities. One step at a time.
As for what the AI we have been testing has to say about what it can do in the future, I put the question to it here, with an interesting answer, some of it along the lines you are suggesting: https://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic...age=2#158108
Thanks for chiming in, and all the best!
The guru is in you.
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