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728 From: Jim Kundalini <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat Apr 16, 2005 4:17pm
Subject: Contagious Kundalini (or: I think I'm turning Moslem) jim_and_his_...
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AYP frequently states that more and more people are
becoming kundalini awakened, and that it's an
accelerative process, because every awakening
influences many other people. It's extremely
contagious, and, until very recent years, it was much,
much harder to awaken kundalini because the vibrations
weren't out there as thickly (that's a cheesy way of
saying it, but you get the idea).
I'm reading "Philosophy of Hatha Yoga", an
extraordinary little book by Pandit Usharbudh Arya,
disciple of Swami Rama. It's out of print but can be
found used (half.com, bookfinder.com) and it's a nice
companion to some of the AYP materials - coming at
things from a different angle. In this book, Arya says
1 person in 500,000,000 awakens kundalini...and he
doesn't seem the exaggerative type. The book was
written in 1977. Other books of that time and before
take a similar, perplexing view that kundalini
awakening is extroardinarily rare and difficult. And
so I guess Yogani is right; things really are
changing. I'm not sure all the kundalini awakening
stories out there are legit; a bunch are certainly
delusional. But, even so, it's much less a big deal
now. There are a LOT more kundalini awakened people
around.
Now for a trippy story about contagious divinity.
There are five parts
1. I've described, in postings below, the current
state of my meditation. It's a deep feeling of
emptying/filling to/with a higher power and vice versa
(sorry, I know that's a little gnarled up). Very
surrenderish - which is very good for me, as I'm not
the surrendering type. And I've done some reading up
in the past week, and this seems to be very similar to
how Moslems do their prayers. Very much about
emptying/filling surrendering.
2. Since my first day with AYP, I've been having a
trace of an automatic yoga where my body leans
forward, expectingly...like it wants me to do
something. It never quite fulfills, and I'd figured it
was because I was too inhibited. I don't think about
it or worry about it, but twice I tried to follow
through in different ways. Once, by continuing the
forward motion into yoga mudra, clasping hands behind
and bending all the way forward. But I'd find myself
coldly sitting in yoga mudra. Nope. And once I leaned
forward and went into headstand, but that, too, felt
like a willed headstand. NOTE: I'm FULLY aware that I
don't want to get wrapped up in these expereiences; to
lead them or encourage them. And I mostly totally
ignore them. But when propelled from within to lean
forward, I don't want to RESIST, either, y'know? It's
a fine line!
3. For past several years I've lived across the street
from a very devout Moslem basement mosque...something
I never thought much about before.
4. My kundalini awakened with startling
effortlessness. Really caught me by surprise. I did
have many years of asana practice and free form
meditation and some other stuff behind me, but, still.
Something out there was helping.
5. I just, today, realized that what my body is
drawing me forward toward is prostration: Moslem
prayer position.
Now...I'm not going to think about this too much
(certainly not at all while doing practice). And I'm
not going to change my name to "Ahmed" and buy a fez.
I deeply resonate with AYP's injunction to favor the
practice and not get too wrapped up in the
experiences, however "interesting".
But isn't this an interesting experience? :)
I may walk across the street and see if they'll let me
participate at the mosque one day. I'm Jewish, by the
way.
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730 From: "Adam West" <adamwest1@iprimus.com.au>
Date: Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:30pm
Subject: Re: Contagious Kundalini (or: I think I'm turning Moslem) fraterandros1
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That's extremely interesting Jim! Thanks for sharing :-)
In kind regards,
Adam.
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731 From: "Paula Youmans" <paula@webboise.com>
Date: Sun Apr 17, 2005 8:44am
Subject: RE: Contagious Kundalini (or: I think I'm turning Moslem) paula_youmans
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I loved this Jim LOL
Very contagious..very
Thank you so much for sharing :-)
~Paula
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732 From: "Ali A. Akhlaghi D.C." <yogiali@gmail.com>
Date: Sun Apr 17, 2005 9:09am
Subject: Re: Contagious Kundalini (or: I think I'm turning Moslem) yogiali0013
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Hi Jim interesting post. I thought you might be interested in reading this
too; it was taken from somewhere else on the web. I forget where I got it
from, but liked it so I saved it.
As a follower of the sufi path, I think of myself as a muslim, christian,
jew, hindu, buddhist, and any other path of divine love. Why restrict
oneself to one path?
Hope you like it.
Ali
Islam and Yoga ! 10/2/2004 1:00 AM
Dear friends,
As I am a Muslim and I intrested in yogi stuffs too and also I try to follow
sufi path( the path of Divin love)so I always look for some subjects which
can describe all what I interested. Here is an article that I really liked
it. The Truth is one even if there are millions ways to achieve it.
May God bless all humanity and help them to achieve enlightenment, Nirvana,
Hagh, Hoo...
A comparative study of congruence between two traditions
"We always find some form of Yoga whenever the goal is experience of the
sacred or the attainment of a perfect self-mastery, which is itself the
first step toward magical mastery of the world. It is a fact of considerable
significance that the noblest mystical experiences, as well as the most
daring magical desires, are realized through yogic technique, or, more
precisely, that Yoga can equally well adapt itself to either path." Mircea
Eliade, Yoga: Immortality and Freedom
Years ago when young I began doing hatha yoga. Although several years passed
without practicing yoga, the complete yoga breathing I learned from it was a
constant presence in my life. There was also my Islamic life, including
praying salbt five times every day. A couple years ago I returned to yoga
while keeping up my Islamic practice. How are these two developments
related? How do they interact?
When I returned to the practice of yoga, I found that it is easily
integrated with the Islamic life; in fact the two assist one another. Not
only is there no conflict, but Islam and yoga together make a mutually
beneficial synergy. Both are agreed that, while the body is important as a
vehicle on the way to spiritual realization and salvation, the human being's
primary identity is not with the body but with the eternal Spirit.
This is not a case of syncretism between two religions (which would be
spiritually invalid). Yoga is not a religion. Rather, it is a set of
techniques and skills that enhance the practice of any religion.....
Zahra 10/2/2004 1:02 AM
A French author named Jean Dichanet discovered this in regard to his
Catholic faith and wrote the book Christian Yoga (New York: Harper, 1960).
In my case, I have found that Islamic yoga is a reality. It is possible to
employ the skills of yoga to worship Allah better and to be a better Muslim.
Yoga arose from the matrix of the Hindu world, although according to Mircea
Eliade it is of pre-Hindu origin and can be traced back to prehistoric
shamanism. Like India's other gifts to world civilization, for example the
system of place notation on which all mathematics depends, yoga is not tied
to the Hindu religion but has a universal applicability. It helps one to
follow one's own religion better whatever that may be. It has certain
specific affinities with Islam that make for an interesting study.
1. Metaphysical Doctrine.
Since the metaphysic of Advaita Vedanta is in agreement with the tawhnd
(doctrine of oneness) of Islam, there is perfect compatibility between Islam
and yoga on the highest level. All traditional esoterisms agree that
everything in manifestation has its origin in the Supernal. The
manifestations on the material plane are derived from the ideational realm
of archetypes (known as al-a'ybn al-thbbitah in the metaphysics of Ibn
al-'Arabn). This world, limited as it is, is just an expression of the
ultimate Reality, and will ultimately be reabsorbed in its supernal Origin.
Advaita Vedanta and Islamic esoteric metaphysics are agreed that God is the
only absolutely real, eternal Reality; all else is contingent and therefore
transitory. The unitary view of reality in Advaita Vedanta accords well with
the tawhnd (divine oneness) of Islam, and the Oneness of Being in the Sufi
doctrine of Ibn al-'Arabn.
It is interesting to compare the symbolism of Prophet Muhammad's nighttime
ascent to Heaven, al-Mi'rbj, with the corresponding symbolism in yoga. The
Prophet ascended on al-Burbq, a riding beast with the head of a woman,
through the seven heavens to the Throne of God
.......
Zahra 10/2/2004 1:05 AM
In yoga, the kuNDalinn is a feminine power (shakti) that dwells at the base
of the spine and ascends through seven levels (represented by the seven
chakras) to the summit of liberation (brahmarandhra).
2. Salbt and Bsanas.
One of the most obvious correspondences between Islam and hatha yoga is the
resemblance of salbt to the physical exercises of yoga bsanas. An Indian
Muslim author, Ashraf F. Nizami, noted this in his book Namaz, the Yoga of
Islam (Bombay: D.B. Taraporevala, 1977). The root meaning of the word salbt
is 'to bend the lower back', as in hatha yoga; the Persians translated this
concept with the word nambz, from a verbal root meaning 'to bow',
etymologically related to the Sanskrit word namaste. The thousands of
postures and variations known to hatha yoga can be classified into a few
basic types, including standing postures, spinal stretches, inverted
postures, seated postures, and spinal twists. The genius of Islamic salbt is
to incorporate all of these in rudimentary form into a compact, flowing
sequence, ensuring a thorough, all-round course of exercises for good health
that is easy for everyone to practice.
a) Standing.
The Mountain Pose (TbDbsana) is the foundation for all standing bsanas. One
always begins from this and returns to it at the completion of the standing
sequence. In this it very closely resembles not only the standing posture of
qiybm in salbt, but also the "Return to Mountain" of T'ai Chi Ch'uan.
Standing in Mountain Pose or qiybm is a quiescent exercise for the whole
body: feet, legs, and spine working together. With one's feet planted
squarely on Earth and one's head reaching toward Heaven, this pose is of the
finest metaphysical significance to the sacredness of the human state, for
verticality is the essence of religion.
b) Spinal stretching.
As the yogis say, one is as young as one's spine. Hatha yoga concentrates
much careful attention on deep, thorough stretches of the spine, bringing
the head forward to rest on the knees.
be continued, ...
Zahra 10/2/2004 12:38 PM
...Since all the nerves of the body are channeled from the spinal cord out
between the vertebrae, a healthy spine is of central importance for the
well-being of the whole human body and mind. It takes much patient,
persistent practice to make and keep the spine ideally flexible, and only
the most dedicated yogis succeed in this. Since Islam is a path for
everyone, the Islamic spinal stretch is kept easy and within everyone's
reach: the bowing position called ruk{' only requires that you bend forward
enough to place your hands on your knees. Nonetheless, even this minimal
stretch helps keep the spine in good condition. When I returned to yoga
after praying salbt for several years, I found that making ruk{' seventeen
times a day had beautifully prepared my spine for deeper forward stretches.
c) Inverted poses.
The heart does its best to circulate blood all through the veins and
arteries, but it's a demanding job, and exercise is needed to help the
circulation go at maximum efficiency. In particular, raising fresh blood to
the brain through the carotid artery, and lifting it from the feet back up
to the heart, is always going against the pull of gravity. This is why two
of the most important and beneficial bsanas are the Shoulderstand
(sarvangbsana, the 'whole body pose') and the Headstand (sirSbsana). Islamic
prayer has taken the most essential aspect of these inverted poses: lowering
the head below the heart. The position called suj{d is easy for everyone to
accomplish and helps to bathe the brain in fresh oxygenated blood to keep it
healthy and alert. Ashraf F. Nizami writes: "This may be termed similar to
HALF SIRSHASANA. It helps full-fledged pumping of blood into the brain and
upper half of the body including eyes, ears, nose and lungs."
d) Seated postures.
The word bsana means 'seat' and the basic postures for meditation are seated
ones, especially the Lotus. The Diamond Pose (vajrbsana) is practically
identical with the seated position of salbt called jalsah.......
Zahra 10/2/2004 12:58 PM
....is to extend the index finger in a straight line (to attest to the
Oneness of God), while forming the thumb and middle finger into a circle.
The figure 1 and the figure 0 can convey a Tantric symbolism, and also are
curiously similar to the binary 1 and 0 of computer science.
e) Spinal twists.
A session of yoga practice normally concludes, just before final relaxation,
with a thorough twist of the whole spine (ardha matsyendrbsana) to the right
and to the left. It helps to even out the spine from the other poses it has
done and keep everything balanced. In much the same way, salbt concludes
with the prayer of peace (salbm) said while turning the head to the right
and then to the left. This works only the cervical and maybe a few of the
thoracic vertebrae, but it is useful for keeping the neck flexible and is
consistent with the pattern in salbt of presenting reduced versions of the
yoga bsanas.
3. Breathing.
In yoga, the science and art of breathing is paramount. The relaxation and
exertion of all the members of the body, the stilling and concentration of
the mind, the energizing of the whole being, and the access to the spiritual
dimension all depend on breathing. In most languages of the world, the words
for 'breathing' and 'spirit' are the same or closely related. The Arabic
word for 'spirit' is r{h, coming from a root with several interconnected
meanings: 'to relax', 'to breathe', and 'to set out moving'. The full range
of these meanings, taken together, summarizes all the functions of the
breath in Yoga. The Sanskrit word corresponding to r{h is btman, which also
comes from an Indo-European root meaning 'breath' (compare the High German
word Atem, 'breath').
The spiritual importance of breath is a part of Islam's teachings. Hazrat
Inayat Khan writes on the subject of Islamic purification: "Man's health and
inspiration both depend on purity of breath, and to preserve this purity the
nostrils and all the tubes of the breath must be kept clear.
......
Zahra 10/2/2004 1:07 PM
They can be kept clear by proper breathing and proper ablutions. If one
cleanses the nostrils twice or oftener it is not too much, for a Moslem is
taught to make this ablution five times, before each prayer." According to
Hakim G. M. Chishti in The Book of Sufi Healing, "Life, from its beginning
to end, is one continuous set of breathing practices. The Holy Qur'an, in
addition to all else it may be, is a set of breathing practices."
4. Meditation and Worship.
In part 23 of the Yoga Sutra, Pataqjali teaches the attainment of supreme
spiritual realization through devotion to God (nsvara pranidhana). The sutra
is a very succinct, condensed type of literature, so a single brief mention
suffices. Because Pataqjali did not elaborate upon it, some commentators
have assumed that his God is a mere figurehead or abstraction and therefore
not so important in yoga practice. Nothing could be further from the truth;
in fact, the one feature that distinguishes the metaphysic of the Yoga
darsana from that of the Sankhya darsana of Kapila (a non-theistic analysis
of the elements in the cosmos and consciousness) is the presence of God in
Yoga. This makes all the difference, and allows the consonance of Yoga with
religion.
Pataqjali wisely chose to refer to God as nsvara, which in Sanskrit simply
means 'God, the Supreme Being' and does not name any deity of any particular
religion. This universality frees Yoga from conflict with any religious
doctrine, so that its techniques can be applied by a believer of any faith.
In India, Yoga has been applied to a vast variety of different religious
perspectives, and it works just as well for other religions including Islam.
There is nothing specifically Hindu or Islamic about its techniques, but it
will assist the devotee in any kind of worship. Yoga means to concentrate
and still the mind; when this concentration is directed upon God, the yogi
is reaching toward the heart of his religion.
......
Zahra 10/2/2004 1:12 PM
As for meditation, trbTaka is a yogic technique to focus the attention and
attain one-pointedness. It consists of fixing the gaze on a single point.
(It assists balance, too.) While standing in Islamic prayer, we practice
traTaka by fixing the gaze on a spot on the ground where the forehead rests
in suj{d. During ruk{', the trbTaka is directed at the point between the big
toes. The purpose is to focus the attention on the prayer and keep it from
wandering. In this way it helps lead to a meditative state.
An important part of Sufi spiritual practice is to invoke the Divine Name
Allbh and meditate upon it. Once I had learned through yoga how to still the
mind and focus the attention, I discovered that the same technique greatly
sharpened and clarified my meditation on the Divine Name. It was like a
nearsighted person putting on glasses and suddenly seeing clearly and
sharply.
Some Sufi orders practice meditation and invocation focused within certain
centers (latb'if) in the subtle body; this is the same technique as the
yogic meditation upon the chakras.
5. Purification.
It goes without saying that both Islam and yoga require basic physical and
moral cleanliness and purity (tahbrah, sauca) before performing their
practices. The two differ in several respects, but one feature that is
common to both is using water to rinse the breathing passages: a yoga kriya
(cleansing practice) called jala neti consists of pouring water into one
nostril so that it flows through the sinuses and out the other nostril. The
Muslim when making wud{' takes water up the nose and blows it out; this is
called istinshb'. Again, the Islamic version does not go as deep, being
simplified to make it easily accessible to everyone.
6. Food.
The Ayurvedic principles of yogic diet and the hadiths of Prophet Muhammad
(peace be upon him) are agreed that milk and ghee are beneficial, and that
beef is detrimental to health.
On 4/16/05, Jim Kundalini <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> AYP frequently states that more and more people are
> becoming kundalini awakened, and that it's an
> accelerative process, because every awakening
> influences many other people. It's extremely
> contagious, and, until very recent years, it was much,
> much harder to awaken kundalini because the vibrations
> weren't out there as thickly (that's a cheesy way of
> saying it, but you get the idea).
>
> I'm reading "Philosophy of Hatha Yoga", an
> extraordinary little book by Pandit Usharbudh Arya,
> disciple of Swami Rama. It's out of print but can be
> found used (half.com <http://half.com/>, bookfinder.com<http://bookfinder.com/>)
> and it's a nice
> companion to some of the AYP materials - coming at
> things from a different angle. In this book, Arya says
> 1 person in 500,000,000 awakens kundalini...and he
> doesn't seem the exaggerative type. The book was
> written in 1977. Other books of that time and before
> take a similar, perplexing view that kundalini
> awakening is extroardinarily rare and difficult. And
> so I guess Yogani is right; things really are
> changing. I'm not sure all the kundalini awakening
> stories out there are legit; a bunch are certainly
> delusional. But, even so, it's much less a big deal
> now. There are a LOT more kundalini awakened people
> around.
>
>
> Now for a trippy story about contagious divinity.
> There are five parts
>
> 1. I've described, in postings below, the current
> state of my meditation. It's a deep feeling of
> emptying/filling to/with a higher power and vice versa
> (sorry, I know that's a little gnarled up). Very
> surrenderish - which is very good for me, as I'm not
> the surrendering type. And I've done some reading up
> in the past week, and this seems to be very similar to
> how Moslems do their prayers. Very much about
> emptying/filling surrendering.
>
> 2. Since my first day with AYP, I've been having a
> trace of an automatic yoga where my body leans
> forward, expectingly...like it wants me to do
> something. It never quite fulfills, and I'd figured it
> was because I was too inhibited. I don't think about
> it or worry about it, but twice I tried to follow
> through in different ways. Once, by continuing the
> forward motion into yoga mudra, clasping hands behind
> and bending all the way forward. But I'd find myself
> coldly sitting in yoga mudra. Nope. And once I leaned
> forward and went into headstand, but that, too, felt
> like a willed headstand. NOTE: I'm FULLY aware that I
> don't want to get wrapped up in these expereiences; to
> lead them or encourage them. And I mostly totally
> ignore them. But when propelled from within to lean
> forward, I don't want to RESIST, either, y'know? It's
> a fine line!
>
> 3. For past several years I've lived across the street
> from a very devout Moslem basement mosque...something
> I never thought much about before.
>
> 4. My kundalini awakened with startling
> effortlessness. Really caught me by surprise. I did
> have many years of asana practice and free form
> meditation and some other stuff behind me, but, still.
> Something out there was helping.
>
> 5. I just, today, realized that what my body is
> drawing me forward toward is prostration: Moslem
> prayer position.
>
>
> Now...I'm not going to think about this too much
> (certainly not at all while doing practice). And I'm
> not going to change my name to "Ahmed" and buy a fez.
> I deeply resonate with AYP's injunction to favor the
> practice and not get too wrapped up in the
> experiences, however "interesting".
>
> But isn't this an interesting experience? :)
>
> I may walk across the street and see if they'll let me
> participate at the mosque one day. I'm Jewish, by the
> way.
>
>
>
>
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755 From: "nirmalkaurgvw" <sss3333nnn@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:41am
Subject: Re: Contagious Kundalini (or: I think I'm turning Moslem) sss3333nnn
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Greetings & Sat nam(Truth is My Name Greeting in KY),
TO BOTH! BEAUTIFUL BEINGS! BRAVO!!! ME TOO, although I would BE Highly
UN-Commfortable around Fanatics of Anything Like Osma Bin Laden!!!
Little Humor there!
TO ALL: KEEP UP, AND YOU WILL BE KEPT UP!!!
ALL LIGHT & BLESSINGS,
Nirmal/wildwoman(nickname given to me by Divine Yogi Dharam Singh!)
"Hi Jim interesting post. I thought you might be interested in reading
this
> too; it was taken from somewhere else on the web. I forget where I
got it
> from, but liked it so I saved it.
> As a follower of the sufi path, I think of myself as a muslim,
christian,
> jew, hindu, buddhist, and any other path of divine love. Why restrict
> oneself to one path?
> Hope you like it.
> Ali
> Islam and Yoga ! 10/2/2004 1:00 AM
> Dear friends,
> As I am a Muslim and I intrested in yogi stuffs too and also I try
to follow
> sufi path( the path of Divin love)so I always look for some subjects
which
> can describe all what I interested. Here is an article that I really
liked
> it. The Truth is one even if there are millions ways to achieve it.
> May God bless all humanity and help them to achieve enlightenment,
Nirvana,
> Hagh, Hoo...
> A comparative study of congruence between two traditions
> "We always find some form of Yoga whenever the goal is experience of
the
> sacred or the attainment of a perfect self-mastery, which is itself the
> first step toward magical mastery of the world. It is a fact of
considerable
> significance that the noblest mystical experiences, as well as the most
> daring magical desires, are realized through yogic technique, or, more
> precisely, that Yoga can equally well adapt itself to either path."
Mircea
> Eliade, Yoga: Immortality and Freedom
>
> Years ago when young I began doing hatha yoga. Although several
years passed
> without practicing yoga, the complete yoga breathing I learned from
it was a
> constant presence in my life. There was also my Islamic life, including
> praying salbt five times every day. A couple years ago I returned to
yoga
> while keeping up my Islamic practice. How are these two developments
> related? How do they interact?..."
779 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:57pm
Subject: Re: Contagious Kundalini (or: I think I'm turning Moslem) jim_and_his_...
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Ali, thanks SO much for posting that rare and fascinating information. I found the original
link, which includes a bit more material (the version you pasted in was cut off):
http://www.crescentlife.com/wellnes...and_yoga.htm
I'd just love it (and I'm sure others would, too) if you'd talk a bit more about Sufism and
your experience of yoga with that path.
733 From: "azaz932001" <richardchamberlin14@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun Apr 17, 2005 10:12am
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OH yes Jim thanks for sharing that with us food for thought eh.
I have noticed meditation things improving dramaticaly for me since the
advent of this forum I wonder if anyone else has?
Blessings R.C.
735 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Apr 17, 2005 7:23pm
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Everything's improved dramatically for me since AYP.
Not to get personality cultish or guru worshipful, but we all owe a debt to our friend
Yogani for the lessons. If we're not allowed to give him the teacher treatment, at least let's
send him a good vibe tithe from time to time! :)
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "azaz932001" <richardchamberlin14@h...> wrote:
>
>
> OH yes Jim thanks for sharing that with us food for thought eh.
>
> I have noticed meditation things improving dramaticaly for me since the
> advent of this forum I wonder if anyone else has?
>
> Blessings R.C.
734 From: "nearoanoke" <nearoanoke@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:19pm
Subject: Re: Contagious Kundalini (or: I think I'm turning Moslem) nearoanoke
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Hi Jim,
Congrats on your kundalini awakening. hope i will also be in that
stage one day.
According to gopi krishna it might take around 7-8 years from the
first awakening to enlightenment (whatever that is). After kundalini
awakens one needs to take proper diet without keeping the stomach
empty eating every 3 hours (i am sure you already know this)
Congrats and Good luck,
Near
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, Jim Kundalini
<jim_and_his_karma@y...> wrote:
>
> AYP frequently states that more and more people are
> becoming kundalini awakened, and that it's an
> accelerative process, because every awakening
> influences many other people. It's extremely
> contagious, and, until very recent years, it was much,
> much harder to awaken kundalini because the vibrations
> weren't out there as thickly (that's a cheesy way of
> saying it, but you get the idea).
>
> I'm reading "Philosophy of Hatha Yoga", an
> extraordinary little book by Pandit Usharbudh Arya,
> disciple of Swami Rama. It's out of print but can be
> found used (half.com, bookfinder.com) and it's a nice
> companion to some of the AYP materials - coming at
> things from a different angle. In this book, Arya says
> 1 person in 500,000,000 awakens kundalini...and he
> doesn't seem the exaggerative type. The book was
> written in 1977. Other books of that time and before
> take a similar, perplexing view that kundalini
> awakening is extroardinarily rare and difficult. And
> so I guess Yogani is right; things really are
> changing. I'm not sure all the kundalini awakening
> stories out there are legit; a bunch are certainly
> delusional. But, even so, it's much less a big deal
> now. There are a LOT more kundalini awakened people
> around.
>
>
> Now for a trippy story about contagious divinity.
> There are five parts
>
> 1. I've described, in postings below, the current
> state of my meditation. It's a deep feeling of
> emptying/filling to/with a higher power and vice versa
> (sorry, I know that's a little gnarled up). Very
> surrenderish - which is very good for me, as I'm not
> the surrendering type. And I've done some reading up
> in the past week, and this seems to be very similar to
> how Moslems do their prayers. Very much about
> emptying/filling surrendering.
>
> 2. Since my first day with AYP, I've been having a
> trace of an automatic yoga where my body leans
> forward, expectingly...like it wants me to do
> something. It never quite fulfills, and I'd figured it
> was because I was too inhibited. I don't think about
> it or worry about it, but twice I tried to follow
> through in different ways. Once, by continuing the
> forward motion into yoga mudra, clasping hands behind
> and bending all the way forward. But I'd find myself
> coldly sitting in yoga mudra. Nope. And once I leaned
> forward and went into headstand, but that, too, felt
> like a willed headstand. NOTE: I'm FULLY aware that I
> don't want to get wrapped up in these expereiences; to
> lead them or encourage them. And I mostly totally
> ignore them. But when propelled from within to lean
> forward, I don't want to RESIST, either, y'know? It's
> a fine line!
>
> 3. For past several years I've lived across the street
> from a very devout Moslem basement mosque...something
> I never thought much about before.
>
> 4. My kundalini awakened with startling
> effortlessness. Really caught me by surprise. I did
> have many years of asana practice and free form
> meditation and some other stuff behind me, but, still.
> Something out there was helping.
>
> 5. I just, today, realized that what my body is
> drawing me forward toward is prostration: Moslem
> prayer position.
>
>
> Now...I'm not going to think about this too much
> (certainly not at all while doing practice). And I'm
> not going to change my name to "Ahmed" and buy a fez.
> I deeply resonate with AYP's injunction to favor the
> practice and not get too wrapped up in the
> experiences, however "interesting".
>
> But isn't this an interesting experience? :)
>
> I may walk across the street and see if they'll let me
> participate at the mosque one day. I'm Jewish, by the
> way.
>
>
>
>
>
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736 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Apr 17, 2005 8:01pm
Subject: Re: Contagious Kundalini (or: I think I'm turning Moslem) jim_and_his_...
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There's a lot of claptrap written about kundalini. And also a lot (like Gopti Krishna) that's
smart and sincere, but only applies to the writer and what he believes and was told. Until
recently, there wasn't a very wide pool of people to draw conclusions from (plus kundalini
awakening tends to be a personal, individual thing) so there are no sure conclusions. It's
really important to bear this in mind. It also makes it a bit scary, 'cuz it's hard to get firm
answers to stuff. Be aware that this is the path of Adventure Travel. This is not a bucket
tour of Cancun where everything's chaperoned and
I had a teacher once who had a great line: we're not hot house flowers, we're weeds. So
true. I'm still eating all sorts of crazy stuff, and every cell in my body is still sighing. So no
need to be uptight. I'm not drinking anymore, but that's not a "resisting sin" thing, it's
more that clarity feels so delicious, I have no desire to intentionally muddle myself. Much
as I still love the IDEA of a cold beer or a delicious wine. I might have a glass at any
moment...but simply don't.
Anyway, kundalini awakening is honestly not that big a big deal. It doesn't make
everything better. It's just another stop on the path, another opening along a continuum of
opening. The pleasure and opening and purification you're getting from the practices right
NOW is as good as it gets, so soak it up and try not to turn practice into yet
another striving for advancement (not that you are; I'm just reminding you!). I've strived
for things, climbed ladders, gained proficiency in many realms in my life, and none of it
brought peace or happiness. Spiritual practices work best when they're more like brushing
your teeth than striving/accomplishing. By which I don't mean they're not sacred. Brushing
your teeth is as sacred as anything.
So if you want to congratulate me on flossing out some errant crumb lodged between my
molars, I'll cheefully high five you back! :)
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "nearoanoke" <nearoanoke@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Congrats on your kundalini awakening. hope i will also be in that
> stage one day.
>
> According to gopi krishna it might take around 7-8 years from the
> first awakening to enlightenment (whatever that is). After kundalini
> awakens one needs to take proper diet without keeping the stomach
> empty eating every 3 hours (i am sure you already know this)
>
> Congrats and Good luck,
> Near
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, Jim Kundalini
> <jim_and_his_karma@y...> wrote:
> >
> > AYP frequently states that more and more people are
> > becoming kundalini awakened, and that it's an
> > accelerative process, because every awakening
> > influences many other people. It's extremely
> > contagious, and, until very recent years, it was much,
> > much harder to awaken kundalini because the vibrations
> > weren't out there as thickly (that's a cheesy way of
> > saying it, but you get the idea).
> >
> > I'm reading "Philosophy of Hatha Yoga", an
> > extraordinary little book by Pandit Usharbudh Arya,
> > disciple of Swami Rama. It's out of print but can be
> > found used (half.com, bookfinder.com) and it's a nice
> > companion to some of the AYP materials - coming at
> > things from a different angle. In this book, Arya says
> > 1 person in 500,000,000 awakens kundalini...and he
> > doesn't seem the exaggerative type. The book was
> > written in 1977. Other books of that time and before
> > take a similar, perplexing view that kundalini
> > awakening is extroardinarily rare and difficult. And
> > so I guess Yogani is right; things really are
> > changing. I'm not sure all the kundalini awakening
> > stories out there are legit; a bunch are certainly
> > delusional. But, even so, it's much less a big deal
> > now. There are a LOT more kundalini awakened people
> > around.
> >
> >
> > Now for a trippy story about contagious divinity.
> > There are five parts
> >
> > 1. I've described, in postings below, the current
> > state of my meditation. It's a deep feeling of
> > emptying/filling to/with a higher power and vice versa
> > (sorry, I know that's a little gnarled up). Very
> > surrenderish - which is very good for me, as I'm not
> > the surrendering type. And I've done some reading up
> > in the past week, and this seems to be very similar to
> > how Moslems do their prayers. Very much about
> > emptying/filling surrendering.
> >
> > 2. Since my first day with AYP, I've been having a
> > trace of an automatic yoga where my body leans
> > forward, expectingly...like it wants me to do
> > something. It never quite fulfills, and I'd figured it
> > was because I was too inhibited. I don't think about
> > it or worry about it, but twice I tried to follow
> > through in different ways. Once, by continuing the
> > forward motion into yoga mudra, clasping hands behind
> > and bending all the way forward. But I'd find myself
> > coldly sitting in yoga mudra. Nope. And once I leaned
> > forward and went into headstand, but that, too, felt
> > like a willed headstand. NOTE: I'm FULLY aware that I
> > don't want to get wrapped up in these expereiences; to
> > lead them or encourage them. And I mostly totally
> > ignore them. But when propelled from within to lean
> > forward, I don't want to RESIST, either, y'know? It's
> > a fine line!
> >
> > 3. For past several years I've lived across the street
> > from a very devout Moslem basement mosque...something
> > I never thought much about before.
> >
> > 4. My kundalini awakened with startling
> > effortlessness. Really caught me by surprise. I did
> > have many years of asana practice and free form
> > meditation and some other stuff behind me, but, still.
> > Something out there was helping.
> >
> > 5. I just, today, realized that what my body is
> > drawing me forward toward is prostration: Moslem
> > prayer position.
> >
> >
> > Now...I'm not going to think about this too much
> > (certainly not at all while doing practice). And I'm
> > not going to change my name to "Ahmed" and buy a fez.
> > I deeply resonate with AYP's injunction to favor the
> > practice and not get too wrapped up in the
> > experiences, however "interesting".
> >
> > But isn't this an interesting experience? :)
> >
> > I may walk across the street and see if they'll let me
> > participate at the mosque one day. I'm Jewish, by the
> > way.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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737 From: "Paula Youmans" <paula@webboise.com>
Date: Sun Apr 17, 2005 11:26pm
Subject: RE: Re: Contagious Kundalini (or: I think I'm turning Moslem) paula_youmans
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Hi Jim,
I high five you all the way!
This.whatever is going around has been amazing!!!
Thank you AYP, thank you Yogani, and thank you world :-)
I wanted to ask you.I am very much an artist by nature.
Has your creativity been going through the roof?
I have to literally stop myself from creating just to give my mind a rest.
It is getting ridiculous LOL
Any suggestions? Would like a.bit of a rest :-)
~Paula
_____
From: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AYPforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of jim_and_his_karma
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 6:01 PM
To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AYPforum] Re: Contagious Kundalini (or: I think I'm turning
Moslem)
There's a lot of claptrap written about kundalini. And also a lot (like
Gopti Krishna) that's
smart and sincere, but only applies to the writer and what he believes and
was told. Until
recently, there wasn't a very wide pool of people to draw conclusions from
(plus kundalini
awakening tends to be a personal, individual thing) so there are no sure
conclusions. It's
really important to bear this in mind. It also makes it a bit scary, 'cuz
it's hard to get firm
answers to stuff. Be aware that this is the path of Adventure Travel. This
is not a bucket
tour of Cancun where everything's chaperoned and
I had a teacher once who had a great line: we're not hot house flowers,
we're weeds. So
true. I'm still eating all sorts of crazy stuff, and every cell in my body
is still sighing. So no
need to be uptight. I'm not drinking anymore, but that's not a "resisting
sin" thing, it's
more that clarity feels so delicious, I have no desire to intentionally
muddle myself. Much
as I still love the IDEA of a cold beer or a delicious wine. I might have a
glass at any
moment...but simply don't.
Anyway, kundalini awakening is honestly not that big a big deal. It doesn't
make
everything better. It's just another stop on the path, another opening along
a continuum of
opening. The pleasure and opening and purification you're getting from the
practices right
NOW is as good as it gets, so soak it up and try not to turn practice into
yet
another striving for advancement (not that you are; I'm just reminding
you!). I've strived
for things, climbed ladders, gained proficiency in many realms in my life,
and none of it
brought peace or happiness. Spiritual practices work best when they're more
like brushing
your teeth than striving/accomplishing. By which I don't mean they're not
sacred. Brushing
your teeth is as sacred as anything.
So if you want to congratulate me on flossing out some errant crumb lodged
between my
molars, I'll cheefully high five you back! :)
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
740 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Apr 18, 2005 1:06am
Subject: Re: Contagious Kundalini (or: I think I'm turning Moslem) jim_and_his_...
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Honestly, I don't know.
It's going to take years to fully understand everything that's happened. And I'm resisiting
my normal impulse to analyze it as it happens, because of my determination to practice
over experience. I'm trying to get past that narration mind.
I self-analyze just enough to determine I'm not overdoing, and to ensure that I'm
attending to my real world obligations. I have to push myself not to withdraw. Yogani and
other smart sources caution against that. Better to "work it in" with lots of real world
contact/friction and walking/exercise.
But is my creativity going through the roof? No idea. The thing I'm really noticing and
treasuring is that for the first time in all my years I seem to have added a "clear" button.
That is, the **** doesn't stick as enduringly. Still not fully over my last girlfriend yet,
though. Good, grist for the mill!
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paula Youmans" <paula@w...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I high five you all the way!
>
> This.whatever is going around has been amazing!!!
>
> Thank you AYP, thank you Yogani, and thank you world :-)
>
>
>
> I wanted to ask you.I am very much an artist by nature.
>
> Has your creativity been going through the roof?
>
> I have to literally stop myself from creating just to give my mind a rest.
>
> It is getting ridiculous LOL
> Any suggestions? Would like a.bit of a rest :-)
>
>
>
> ~Paula
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AYPforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of jim_and_his_karma
> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 6:01 PM
> To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AYPforum] Re: Contagious Kundalini (or: I think I'm turning
> Moslem)
>
>
>
>
>
> There's a lot of claptrap written about kundalini. And also a lot (like
> Gopti Krishna) that's
> smart and sincere, but only applies to the writer and what he believes and
> was told. Until
> recently, there wasn't a very wide pool of people to draw conclusions from
> (plus kundalini
> awakening tends to be a personal, individual thing) so there are no sure
> conclusions. It's
> really important to bear this in mind. It also makes it a bit scary, 'cuz
> it's hard to get firm
> answers to stuff. Be aware that this is the path of Adventure Travel. This
> is not a bucket
> tour of Cancun where everything's chaperoned and
>
> I had a teacher once who had a great line: we're not hot house flowers,
> we're weeds. So
> true. I'm still eating all sorts of crazy stuff, and every cell in my body
> is still sighing. So no
> need to be uptight. I'm not drinking anymore, but that's not a "resisting
> sin" thing, it's
> more that clarity feels so delicious, I have no desire to intentionally
> muddle myself. Much
> as I still love the IDEA of a cold beer or a delicious wine. I might have a
> glass at any
> moment...but simply don't.
>
> Anyway, kundalini awakening is honestly not that big a big deal. It doesn't
> make
> everything better. It's just another stop on the path, another opening along
> a continuum of
> opening. The pleasure and opening and purification you're getting from the
> practices right
> NOW is as good as it gets, so soak it up and try not to turn practice into
> yet
> another striving for advancement (not that you are; I'm just reminding
> you!). I've strived
> for things, climbed ladders, gained proficiency in many realms in my life,
> and none of it
> brought peace or happiness. Spiritual practices work best when they're more
> like brushing
> your teeth than striving/accomplishing. By which I don't mean they're not
> sacred. Brushing
> your teeth is as sacred as anything.
>
> So if you want to congratulate me on flossing out some errant crumb lodged
> between my
> molars, I'll cheefully high five you back! :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
745 From: "Paula Youmans" <paula@webboise.com>
Date: Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:25am
Subject: RE: Re: Contagious Kundalini (or: I think I'm turning Moslem) paula_youmans
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Hi Jim,
I wonder if that is why I see it as art, because then I do not
have to think and I do not have to understand.All I do is see, hear, feel.
It helps me get it out; my clear button.
It made me think the other night about that saying regarding carrying water
and chopping wood.
It made me wonder if sometimes meditation is about remembering as well as
forgetting.
I completely agree that I cannot overdo it, and most definitely need to
"work it in," as you say.
You are lucky regarding the clear button.I always feel that it just spirals
until I hit that next level of healing.
It kind of took me a minute to get over.
I have some ex's that I do not think I was prepared to get over.even though
I am now.
It left a bitter taste in my mouth for a moment.
Change is hard, but I have decided in time.I should be ok.
For some reason, this never felt ok to me before.
I am glad that I have so much to learn and so much and many to learn from.
Thanks for your input :-)
It helps to talk.
~Paula
_____
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Of jim_and_his_karma
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 11:06 PM
To: AYPforum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AYPforum] Re: Contagious Kundalini (or: I think I'm turning
Moslem)
Honestly, I don't know.
It's going to take years to fully understand everything that's happened. And
I'm resisiting
my normal impulse to analyze it as it happens, because of my determination
to practice
over experience. I'm trying to get past that narration mind.
I self-analyze just enough to determine I'm not overdoing, and to ensure
that I'm
attending to my real world obligations. I have to push myself not to
withdraw. Yogani and
other smart sources caution against that. Better to "work it in" with lots
of real world
contact/friction and walking/exercise.
But is my creativity going through the roof? No idea. The thing I'm really
noticing and
treasuring is that for the first time in all my years I seem to have added a
"clear" button.
That is, the **** doesn't stick as enduringly. Still not fully over my last
girlfriend yet,
though. Good, grist for the mill!
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
738 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun Apr 17, 2005 11:45pm
Subject: Re: Contagious Kundalini (or: I think I'm turning Moslem) obsidian9999
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Hello Jim,
just to put some stuff about Kundalini experience into perspective,
one of my friends who was being treated with 'Network Chiropracty'
(their term for being treated is "receiving care") was told that it
is common to feel an 'energy flowing up from the base of your spine
to your head', and she said that she does feel it during 'care'.
Another is that a guy I knew years ago tried meditating and he told
me immediately afterwards that he felt an 'energy flowing up along
his spine and wrapping around his head, kind of like a walking
stick'. He had never heard of Kundalini. I was amazed and thought
that Kundalini yoga might be a great path for him. He tried it and
he said it did nothing for him.
Things like this bring up a number of questions. One is, is it so
significant an experience at all? The other is, if people
believed it so significant ( 1 in 500,000,000), is there more than
one kind of Kundalini experience, maybe one kind true, say heavy-
duty, real, gangbusters Kundalini, and the other Kundalini-Lite? :)
Because (I'm not so sure of the demographics, but I know India's
population has exploded), maybe 1 in 500,000,000 meant about two in
the 20th century in India up to 1977. Do these figures make sense?
If so many people are 'kundalini-awakened' now, how do they compare
to maybe the two most spiritually advanced people in India in the
20th century India? And were these two the presumed kundalini-
awakened two? If no, is kundalini necessary; if yes, has
kundalini, as an experience, weakened in power?
Just some food for thought,
Regards,
-David
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim_and_his_karma"
<jim_and_his_karma@y...> wrote:
>
>
> There's a lot of claptrap written about kundalini. And also a lot
(like Gopti Krishna) that's
> smart and sincere, but only applies to the writer and what he
believes and was told. Until
> recently, there wasn't a very wide pool of people to draw
conclusions from (plus kundalini
> awakening tends to be a personal, individual thing) so there are
no sure conclusions. It's
> really important to bear this in mind. It also makes it a bit
scary, 'cuz it's hard to get firm
> answers to stuff. Be aware that this is the path of Adventure
Travel. This is not a bucket
> tour of Cancun where everything's chaperoned and
>
> I had a teacher once who had a great line: we're not hot house
flowers, we're weeds. So
> true. I'm still eating all sorts of crazy stuff, and every cell in
my body is still sighing. So no
> need to be uptight. I'm not drinking anymore, but that's not
a "resisting sin" thing, it's
> more that clarity feels so delicious, I have no desire to
intentionally muddle myself. Much
> as I still love the IDEA of a cold beer or a delicious wine. I
might have a glass at any
> moment...but simply don't.
>
> Anyway, kundalini awakening is honestly not that big a big deal.
It doesn't make
> everything better. It's just another stop on the path, another
opening along a continuum of
> opening. The pleasure and opening and purification you're getting
from the practices right
> NOW is as good as it gets, so soak it up and try not to turn
practice into yet
> another striving for advancement (not that you are; I'm just
reminding you!). I've strived
> for things, climbed ladders, gained proficiency in many realms in
my life, and none of it
> brought peace or happiness. Spiritual practices work best when
they're more like brushing
> your teeth than striving/accomplishing. By which I don't mean
they're not sacred. Brushing
> your teeth is as sacred as anything.
>
> So if you want to congratulate me on flossing out some errant
crumb lodged between my
> molars, I'll cheefully high five you back! :)
new_mail
741 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon Apr 18, 2005 1:44am
Subject: Re: Contagious Kundalini (or: I think I'm turning Moslem) jim_and_his_...
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Wow. Well, most of all...I'd like to render forth a resounding "Idunno!" But here are a few
scattered thoughts, like a toddler scrawling in crayon.
Kundalini is not just energy going up your spine. I've been doing macrocosmic orbit work
for years; and been able to conjure up a very palpable experience of energy up spine for
all that time. Wasn't a torrent of kundalini. Was the drip of prana. There's energy and then
there's ENERGY. So a report of something energetic happening with spine and head don't
necessarily equate with kundalini. For example, we all experience spine energy from day
one with spinal breathing. When mojo rises, you know it, though. No question.
I have no idea what the awakening numbers have been, then and now. No one polls for
that! I can tell you I'm nowhere near enlightened. And I can tell you that I'm pretty
damned sure I'm not one in 500,000,000. Or anywhere close to it. But I'm a creature of my
time; I only know now now. If this happened in 1971, maybe I'd have a completely
different perspective. It's clear the process is accelerating... like popcorn kernals in a hot
pan. Critical mass is near. So I'm just riding a wave (whether the mosque helped or not I
have no idea at all...just a great story...and worth taking the time to tell just to elicit Ali's
posting, which I'm awed by and will reply to soon).
As to whether "kundalini is getting weaker", that doesn't make intuitive sense to me. It's
often translated as "evolutionary" energy...it's the energy at the core of every living being.
It is, as economists say, commoditized! I.e. kundalini is kundalini.
So why am I not levitating and godly? Well...everything's relative. I can't share much of
what I'm going thru with friends or family. They can't conceive of even .1% of it. And my
friends and family are pretty hip and smart and practice hatha yoga. My building
superintendent, Bob, for example, hasn't figured out that he's pure energy inhabiting a
lifeless doll, I'm pretty sure (could be wrong). So maybe all of us here, walking in this
direction, may be further toward the end of the bell curve than we realize.
And if that puts a warm feeling of superiority in your veins, purge it, because even among
the spiritually asleep there are those who are kinder than any of us. I had dinner with my
mom tonight, and I wasn't present for her 99% of the time. Couldn't show her I loved her,
simply enjoy being with her and her energy. Acted vacant and peevish; got frustrated when
she said anything slightly ditzy and let her see my frustration, horrifying her by mirroring
her diminishment (because I can't accept it...I want her to be who she was). And as soon as
she dies, I"m going to awaken to the reality of what she means to me and wish I'd behaved
differently. And I KNOW this and yet I still can't budge. So I'm superior???
I think nobody has clear answers to all your questions. I think you do the work on self, you
open up, purify, open up, purify, and you make progress and maybe help others along the
narrow foothold you've found, and you eventually develop understanding of some
elements of some things (e.g. the distant vibrations of popping popcorn). I don't think
there exists a person who can sit down and explain all the details for the mechanisms for
the big system with total aplomb (and only crackpots try). People just make their way, gain
insight and wisdom, but don't at any point get the blueprints for the system. There's no
spiritual Stephen Hawking. But even on that, I could be wrong. I don't know.
What I know for sure is: meditate and it all gets better; it moves us in the direction we all
want to move in. So I don't ask TOO many questions! I've asked and answered a lot of
questions over the years and it didn't get me closer to where I want to be. AYP is more
practical...it's about DOING stuff, rather than intellectualizing. To riff on the old joke...
Q: "How do you get to Taj Mahal?"
A: Practice!
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello Jim,
>
> just to put some stuff about Kundalini experience into perspective,
> one of my friends who was being treated with 'Network Chiropracty'
> (their term for being treated is "receiving care") was told that it
> is common to feel an 'energy flowing up from the base of your spine
> to your head', and she said that she does feel it during 'care'.
>
> Another is that a guy I knew years ago tried meditating and he told
> me immediately afterwards that he felt an 'energy flowing up along
> his spine and wrapping around his head, kind of like a walking
> stick'. He had never heard of Kundalini. I was amazed and thought
> that Kundalini yoga might be a great path for him. He tried it and
> he said it did nothing for him.
>
> Things like this bring up a number of questions. One is, is it so
> significant an experience at all? The other is, if people
> believed it so significant ( 1 in 500,000,000), is there more than
> one kind of Kundalini experience, maybe one kind true, say heavy-
> duty, real, gangbusters Kundalini, and the other Kundalini-Lite? :)
>
> Because (I'm not so sure of the demographics, but I know India's
> population has exploded), maybe 1 in 500,000,000 meant about two in
> the 20th century in India up to 1977. Do these figures make sense?
> If so many people are 'kundalini-awakened' now, how do they compare
> to maybe the two most spiritually advanced people in India in the
> 20th century India? And were these two the presumed kundalini-
> awakened two? If no, is kundalini necessary; if yes, has
> kundalini, as an experience, weakened in power?
>
> Just some food for thought,
>
> Regards,
>
> -David
>
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim_and_his_karma"
> <jim_and_his_karma@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > There's a lot of claptrap written about kundalini. And also a lot
> (like Gopti Krishna) that's
> > smart and sincere, but only applies to the writer and what he
> believes and was told. Until
> > recently, there wasn't a very wide pool of people to draw
> conclusions from (plus kundalini
> > awakening tends to be a personal, individual thing) so there are
> no sure conclusions. It's
> > really important to bear this in mind. It also makes it a bit
> scary, 'cuz it's hard to get firm
> > answers to stuff. Be aware that this is the path of Adventure
> Travel. This is not a bucket
> > tour of Cancun where everything's chaperoned and
> >
> > I had a teacher once who had a great line: we're not hot house
> flowers, we're weeds. So
> > true. I'm still eating all sorts of crazy stuff, and every cell in
> my body is still sighing. So no
> > need to be uptight. I'm not drinking anymore, but that's not
> a "resisting sin" thing, it's
> > more that clarity feels so delicious, I have no desire to
> intentionally muddle myself. Much
> > as I still love the IDEA of a cold beer or a delicious wine. I
> might have a glass at any
> > moment...but simply don't.
> >
> > Anyway, kundalini awakening is honestly not that big a big deal.
> It doesn't make
> > everything better. It's just another stop on the path, another
> opening along a continuum of
> > opening. The pleasure and opening and purification you're getting
> from the practices right
> > NOW is as good as it gets, so soak it up and try not to turn
> practice into yet
> > another striving for advancement (not that you are; I'm just
> reminding you!). I've strived
> > for things, climbed ladders, gained proficiency in many realms in
> my life, and none of it
> > brought peace or happiness. Spiritual practices work best when
> they're more like brushing
> > your teeth than striving/accomplishing. By which I don't mean
> they're not sacred. Brushing
> > your teeth is as sacred as anything.
> >
> > So if you want to congratulate me on flossing out some errant
> crumb lodged between my
> > molars, I'll cheefully high five you back! :)
> new_mail
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