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taopol
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 Posted - Apr 05 2011 : 12:34:47 PM
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I would like to know more about the AYAM mantra. where does it come from ? from what tradition. How come I had never heard of it before reading Yogani. How does it compare to OM MANI PADME HUM, OM NAMAH SHIVAYA, HAMSA, SOHAM, or the HESYCHAST tradition ?
To be honest, I am a bit worried about its 'legitimity' and reading "DM pathway to personal freedom" didn't help, because there is no mention of a lineage or a tradition. |
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mikkiji
USA
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Posted - Apr 05 2011 : 12:59:58 PM
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This mantra is from the Vedanta tradition, and it is found as a root mantra in Rig Veda. It's a 100% "legit" mantra. I studied Sanskrit and was trained as a meditation teacher by the late Maharishi Mahesh Yogi--it's one of the mantras we use in TM, in fact! Any mantra with "Om" in it should be used with EXTREME caution, because the syllable "Om" is generally associated with a reclusive lifestyle and is best reserved for monks, sadhus and ascetics. Stop your worrying and find the silence...
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mimirom
Czech Republic
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Posted - Apr 08 2011 : 08:07:56 AM
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| Thanks Michael, good to know. I wonder why Yogani chose not to mention the origins of ayam anywhere. Maybe he wants to keep the possibility open for better future connection of yogic techniques to science, as opposed by the somewhat "heavy" heritage of the Traditions and our fixation onto them? |
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yogani
USA
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Posted - Apr 08 2011 : 10:45:12 AM
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Hi All:
It should be mentioned that AYP is an experience-based system of practices, and not lineage-based. So attempting to validate (or invalidate) AYP on the basis of any particular lineage is not going to yield anything conclusive. Much better to try the practices and see how they work in daily life. By now, many have been doing that, and so far (since 2003) we have seen good results.
Because we are not tied to any fixed body of knowledge, practitioners are able to make adjustments as necessary based on "causes and effects." In that, the AYP open source knowledge-base (lessons, books, forums) serves as a "baseline system" and "safe harbor" that can be used by anyone to whatever degree desired.
So, yes, AYP is essentially science-based, and this opens the door for refinements and improvements as we move through changing times and circumstances. On that front, the ongoing evolution of "self-pacing" has been a huge advance, enabling anyone to take on powerful practices and optimize them on the individual level without fear of running too far astray. The result has been more progress with fewer mishaps.
As they say, "The proof of the pudding is in the eating." 
The guru is in you.
PS: I was not aware that I AM (AYAM) is also a TM mantra. It was selected for its universal vibrational qualities in the nervous system, which can be directly experienced when ecstatic conductivity has awakened and matured. It makes sense that versions of the same sound can be found throughout the traditions, because the cause and effect is the same everywhere. It supports the contention that the center of all spiritual progress is in each human nervous system, not in any particular body of knowledge, including this one. Bodies of knowledge are aids to help us accelerate the process of our inner evolution. They are not the thing itself.
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mimirom
Czech Republic
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Posted - Apr 08 2011 : 11:13:14 AM
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| Thank you very much, Yogani. |
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HathaTeacher
Sweden
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Posted - Apr 09 2011 : 4:26:05 PM
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Thanks a lot Yogani!
Tantra - the cult of the Feminine by André van Lysebeth presented some evidence of that. He says the vibrational qualities were used long before the large religious systems took shape. |
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Akasha
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Posted - Apr 09 2011 : 10:16:35 PM
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AMEN , Yogani!!! |
Edited by - Akasha on Apr 09 2011 10:22:03 PM |
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Akasha
421 Posts |
Posted - Apr 09 2011 : 11:05:58 PM
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| There does'nt seem much to differentiate the mantra used in AYP "deep meditation" and that of transcendental meditation(TM) based on Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. The difference is that slight differences were doled out based on personality,gender and so on.The doling out even might have seemed quite arbitrary. The universality of DM it would appear to be based on the scientific properties of the mantra,i.e sound ayam/Iam as it resonates within the central nervous system.There is a curious thing that goes on which is best found out by oneself through practice.It essentiallly sound yoga though within the landscape of vibration.Consciousness affects matter & vv. Perhaps the MahiriSHI Mahesh Yogi got it in a vision, perhaps spent sometime in solitude in a cave, so i might have read somewhere.Who Knows. The greatest scripture or divine authority is your own experience. |
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UK_Sadhu
United Kingdom
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Posted - Apr 30 2011 : 4:56:17 PM
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| Hi all & I hope I'm not hijacking this thread but is it ok to chant the mantra out loud for a minute or two & then go inward? I seem to get a stronger sense of the vibration in this way. |
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mathurs
United Kingdom
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Posted - May 03 2011 : 07:32:41 AM
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Hello UK Sadhu,
I dont think it will do any harm to say the mantra aloud a few times,till you get used to DM. I used to begin with a clear pronounciation - and then let it get subtle. It helped me in the beginning. After a while you will not find the need to say the mantra aloud.... |
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mikkiji
USA
219 Posts |
Posted - May 03 2011 : 3:34:38 PM
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UK_Sadhu,
In fact, it is very definitely NOT a good idea to chant the mantra out loud at any time. Being a vehicle for INWARD movement of consciousness, bringing it outward is contrary to its use and mechanics. Mental repetition is not a clear pronunciation, but only a faint or vague idea...
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HathaTeacher
Sweden
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Posted - May 03 2011 : 4:07:52 PM
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Sadhu & Mikkiji,
IMO, saying it loud tends to make the activity more rajasic/over-active whereas you need to get it sattvic, a minimum of activity, an almost "inactive activity" ("favoring" the mantra).
Also, it's instrumental to keep the meditation as free as possible from external associations (even to things like singing it), to keep the mind from excessive wandering around during meditation. |
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UK_Sadhu
United Kingdom
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Posted - May 03 2011 : 5:41:01 PM
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| Thanks for the replies guys, interesting range of opinions! |
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wakeupneo
USA
171 Posts |
Posted - May 03 2011 : 6:22:53 PM
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I AM, aside from having vibrational qualities focuses attention internally. Just saying I AM will turn attention inward and toward the source. This has been my experience. The words uttered mentally immediately bring me to silence.
My awakening to pure consciousness came while in medition when a certain spiritual adept said "I AM" and boom! That's all it took.
Additionally it's very important to surrender to a mantra and stick to that mantra. Minds will do anything to prevent one from reaching self-realization, however minds are very habit forming. If you stick to a certain mantra and create a habit out of utterining it, the mind through it's power of forming habits, has just assisted you in creating a wonderful anchor for you in which you can transcend personal identity and self-referal. Whenever engaged in a mantra your not engaged in your "story" and your are overriding the mechanicality of your story, so to speak.
Pick something and stick with it. IMO there isn't a more powerful or potent mantra then I AM. I AM I AM I AM I AM I AM... In love with the I AM :)
For what it's worth I'm never seen a phrase or mantra that exists as universally across all boarders.
Christianity--- I Am that I AM.... Be still and know that I AM god. Ramana once said that the entire teachings of Christianity can be summed up in those two phrases.
Advaita Vedanta--- Nisargadatta's only practice was to find, come into and stay that the "I AM". Believe Ramana mentioned sitting with the sense of I AMness. Ramana also talked about cosntantly repeating "I" and noticing the sense of "I". Robert Adams, Ed Muzika, Anadi, Swami G and countless others all mention abiding in the sense of I AM or using I AM as a mantra.
Zen/Neo-Advaitists- across the board seemingly, all speak of the I AM in high regard. From Wilber to Adyashanti.
Gurdjieff--- What he coined "the fourth way" which was a combination of ancient esoteric traditions and sufism when he studied in the middle east. He too often spoke of the I AM. Sitting with the I AM.
Yoga--- Apparently I AM has certain potent vibrational qualities. Other members on this board might have more input about this.
Many new age paths--- "I AM" temple(St. Germain)and others I have come across.
Consistently this "I AM" keeps popping up across the board. Stick with it and you will see its potency.
Understand fully your anxiety about the situation. Minds do that. The mind will always look for a way out, look to question, look to jeopordize, look for a loophole in the sadhana to create doubt. Ultimately you wil have to surrender to the practice and try it for yourself. After that, the actual experience will be the incentive you were looking for. That's when you fly in your sadhana. |
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jusmail
India
491 Posts |
Posted - Dec 04 2014 : 6:01:11 PM
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| How would a subtle or fuzzy pronunciation of I am sound like I wonder! |
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BlueRaincoat
United Kingdom
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Posted - Dec 04 2014 : 7:20:48 PM
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| It's like hearing somebody speak from a distance, or from another room in the house - you can hear the modulation of sound, but can't make out the exact words. |
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SeySorciere
Seychelles
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Posted - Dec 05 2014 : 04:44:48 AM
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or you can no longer hear it at all but you feel like water is dripping in bucket filled to the brim. You are the bucket full of water...'AYAM' is the drop
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jusmail
India
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Posted - Dec 07 2014 : 4:59:14 PM
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| Thanks Sey and blueraincoat for those thoughts. Since then the silence has deepened a little. Thanks a bunch |
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