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Christi
United Kingdom
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 Posted - Sep 29 2009 : 09:51:05 AM
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Hi all,
An interesting video for anyone trying to work out what nauli kriya is all about. Yogi Sumit Sadhak is sitting down for the practice here, wheras in the main lessons I believe Yogani advises people to do it standing up, at the end of the asana routine.
When I do it, my stomach goes in slightly further than this guy, but I guess he is still practicing. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zina...ture=related
Christi |
Edited by - Christi on Sep 29 2009 10:15:26 AM |
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Sep 29 2009 : 2:16:30 PM
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Don't know how good the technique is in the video above (can't see youtube videos), but Tao Semko's video posted below is one of the better demostrations I have seen on the Internet....
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/26830...nauli_kriya/
Love,
Carson |
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Steve
277 Posts |
Posted - Sep 29 2009 : 2:32:06 PM
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Hi Carson,
Great video. Tao Semko is one of the KAP (kundalini awakening process) instructors and the individual referred to in my comment to Ananda in his 'Fiery Heart Awakening' post who helped another AYP practitioner with some significant self-pacing problems through the KAP1 curriculum.
Love and Light,
Steve |
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Sep 29 2009 : 2:37:05 PM
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Hi Steve....
Yup! I know who Tao (and Santiago too) is.... I think their system (well Glenn Morris's really) is great, albiet a bit too centered on "energetics" and a little soft in the "Silence" area, but they are both very "well versed" individuals for sure.
Thanks.
Love,
Carson |
Edited by - CarsonZi on Sep 29 2009 2:37:48 PM |
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Steve
277 Posts |
Posted - Sep 29 2009 : 3:45:21 PM
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Hi Carson,
My apology for getting a bit off topic with this post.
Was just connecting a face with KAP and my earlier comment to Ananda for any others who might be interested. I have seen your posts on thetaobums so I knew you knew about Tao and Santiago.
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I think their system (well Glenn Morris's really) is great, albiet a bit too centered on "energetics" and a little soft in the "Silence" area,
Agreed, alot of energetics. Of good note, it is systematically presented and can be helpful in certain kinds of difficult blockage and overstimulation situations. For some individuals with particular kinds of blockages, the additional practical knowledge of the underlying energetics causing the problem and measures to relieve them can can help eliminate months of discomfort facilitating the release of a condition that could take much more time to resolve itself through self-pacing guidelines alone. Self-pacing plus this kind of applied practical energetic knowledge can work hand-in-hand to help remedy tough issues. Especially so, when kundalini is awakening and the blockage leads to overstimulation of particular nadis, chakra(s) and other parts of the energy system and physical body. For many DM, SB, samyama, self-pacing is more than enough. However, with some blockages and overstimulation, sometimes something extra is needed or at a minimum can at least be helpful. Look at how long Jim had difficulty with his throat area before working things out. I know for me personally the systematic opening of my energy system accomplished through the Healing Tao (Mantak Chia, Michael Winn) provided foundation and support for AYP and other practices.
Love and Light,
Steve |
Edited by - Steve on Sep 29 2009 3:59:44 PM |
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Sep 29 2009 : 3:58:53 PM
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Hi Steve....
Nothing against KAP....no buts. I think the system is great for those it works for. I DO find that a lot of the people who take the courses seem to end up getting sidetracked with overthinking about energy/blockages/experiences or what AYP would call "Scenery" though. Often practitioners seem to miss "the bigger picture" or seem to get "stuck" on certain things. This is speaking VERY generally though, and I know that there are many who are completely satisfied with KAP. Personally, I find AYP fits me perfectly. And if it ain't broke don't fix it .
Love,
Carson |
Edited by - CarsonZi on Sep 29 2009 4:00:04 PM |
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Steve
277 Posts |
Posted - Sep 29 2009 : 4:30:57 PM
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Hi Carson,
In none of my posts did I suggest AYP vs KAP, ie. choosing KAP over AYP. I too am an AYP proponent. When a person suggests something that is or has been helpful they are not suggesting that anything is wrong with AYP. AYP is open source. One can take practices or adjuncts found elsewhere that can be of help in particular situations.
There is scenery and then there are cases of real overstimulation and blockages that can cause severe physical, mental and emotional distress. One should not throw out the baby with the bath water. Meaning, it is not necessary to give up AYP and be an adherent of an entire system to recognize a benefit in part of it and how it might help and apply in certain situations.
In this particular situation, the AYP practitioner who told me about Tao Semko, had applied AYP self-pacing guidelines for months and was still having difficulty. When Tao, checked him out, Tao immediately saw the problem and provided him with the proper instruction to remedy it. It cleared up within a week. To me, for this individual, that was progress and not fixing something that was broke but adding something beneficial that helped his particular situation.
I am in total agreement with you that as a system AYP is designed for the bigger picture and most effective in bringing about those kind of real results. It's helped you, me and many others reaching and helping tens of thousands around the world in a way that has not happened before. To me one closes off the possibility of helpful additions in the 'if its not broke, don't fix it', that works against the evolving open source nature of AYP.
Love and Light,
Steve |
Edited by - Steve on Sep 29 2009 7:28:38 PM |
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Sep 29 2009 : 4:49:52 PM
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Woa dude, Steve! Hold up! Think there may be a bit of a misunderstanding here.....hopefully I can clear that up quickly.
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Originally posted by Steve
In none of my posts did I suggest AYP vs KAP, choosing one system over the other.
Nor did I suggest that you suggested that!
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Originally posted by Steve
I too am an AYP proponent.
Cool man! Personally I don't "proponent" anything....or at least I try hard not to. I try to live by Gandi's "Be the change you want to see in the world" and I trust that everyone will one day find what works for them....I am open to sharing my personal experiences but I try to refrain from saying "this worked for me it will work for you too"....with anything...AYP or other.
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Originally posted by Steve
When a person suggests something that is or has been helpful they are not suggesting that anything is wrong with AYP.
I know. Wasn't trying to suggest that was the case. Sorry if I came across that way.
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Originally posted by Steve
AYP is open source. One can take practices or adjuncts found elsewhere that can be of help in particular situations.
Absolutely....I totally use adjuncts to the AYP system...."The Work", the strategies in "Real Love", "Insight Dialogue", all the asana sequences I use, acupuncture, music and much much more.
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Originally posted by Steve
There is scenery and then there are cases of real overstimulation and blockages that can cause severe physical, mental and emotional distress.
Oh yes, been there done that, over and over again (meaning overstimulation, and blockages that cause suffering on any or all levels).
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Originally posted by Steve
One should not throw out the baby with the bath water.
Sorry if you feel I was doing that....was most definitely not my intention to imply that in any way. I assume you are implying that I am throwing out KAP because of a few people's experiences (or my perception of their experiences) right? Not so. Like I said above...."KAP is great for those it works for". I can't be the judge of whether womething works for someone else or not....that is up to them. I try to stay away from making stories about other people's practices. But I have noticed that a lot of the people who are practicing KAP that I am in personal contact with, seem to have issues with suffering over their "stories". KAP seems (again to me) to have a hard time helping people stop suffering. It seems to energetically have all kinds of assets and accolades, but when it comes to helping people stop suffering, I see a void. Just MY opinion based on my own experience with those I know who have, or are, taking KAP.
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Originally posted by Steve
Meaning, it is not necessary to give up AYP and be an adherent of an entire system to recognize a benefit in part of it and how it might help and apply in certain situations.
Absolutely. Again, I wasn't trying to imply this in any way.
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Originally posted by Steve
In this particular situation, the AYP practitioner who told me about Tao Semko, had applied AYP self-pacing guidelines for months and was still having difficulty. When Tao, checked him out, Tao immediately saw the problem and provided him with the proper instruction to remedy it. It cleared up within a week. To me, for this individual, that was progress and not fixing something that was broke but adding something beneficial that helped his particular situation.
Yes of course, and I know exactly who you are talking about. I am not, and never have been trying to say that "AYP works in every way for every person". I don't think ANY system out there can claim that, despite what some may think. What works for one will not always work for another. All systems have strengths and weaknesses. And all have a different balance of strengths to weaknesses depending on the practitioner. The comment I made about "if it ain't broke don't fix it", was applying to me. AYP (in general) is working for me....so I have no need to look elsewhere....no point in searching for something I already have. That's all I was saying. Hope this clears things up a bit.
Love,
Carson |
Edited by - CarsonZi on Sep 29 2009 4:53:13 PM |
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CarsonZi
Canada
3189 Posts |
Posted - Sep 29 2009 : 5:08:40 PM
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Originally posted by Steve
I also know from personal experience that the training I had prior to AYP in the Healing Tao which helped to systematically open my energy system provided a great foundation of support for AYP practices. I am in total agreement with you that as a system AYP is designed for the bigger picture and most effective in bringing about those kind of real results. It's helped you, me and many others reaching and helping tens of thousands around the world in a way that has not happened before. To me one closes off the possibility of helpful additions in the 'if its not broke, don't fix it', that works against the evolving open source nature of AYP.
Everything happens for a reason and some teachings will resonate more with us later in life (when we are more ripe for them) then they do now.
My "if it ain't brok don't fix it" comment is meant for the practices that work for me in AYP. I don't need a different style of meditation because DM works so perfect for me...Same with SBP.....I don't need any other style of pranayam to compliment it....any thing more and I am off into overload. The "holes" in the AYP system (as I see it) are that it is lacking an Asana system (admittedly). And there are different styles of Self Inquiry that will work better for different people so I think that there is always a possibility to better AYP with more and better systems of Inquiry...but other then that, at least for me, there is nothing lacking at AYP. If I start to feel that I am not getting what I need from the AYPractices at some point, I will be open to looking elsewhere for adjuncts. But for now, the AYP system and the adjuncts I already am using with it, make a well-rounded system that is working perfectly for me right now. If that changes, well, then so will my practices. Until that happens though, I am content right where I am....here and now.
Love,
Carson |
Edited by - CarsonZi on Sep 29 2009 5:09:28 PM |
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Steve
277 Posts |
Posted - Sep 29 2009 : 6:37:58 PM
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Hi Carson,
Actually, I just wanted you to say ... 'Woa dude' ...  Its not every day I get such stimulating conversation ...
In all unseriousness, no problemo. Thanks for your reply, and my apologies for any misunderstandings I caused in my post. By throwing out the baby, I simply meant throwing out any helpful adjunct or practice not presently in AYP. I wasn't referring to KAP as a whole system just that in this case it had some elements which were of benefit. I did not mean to imply you needed or should use any of the KAP practices. Just noting a particular individual and situation, where some of the KAP practices helped.
AYP is the most open and available set of yoga instruction I have come across. Available for free on the internet, its effectiveness has been validated by the many that are practicing its methods and getting real life-changing results. Designed to be open source, it is my understanding that other ancillary practices may eventually be included in the overall system if they target or provide benefit for specific areas that can augment the core AYP practices. Like heart breathing does for the heart. That was the intent of my post. To keep an openness in that regard. I realize KAP is a tuition course and falls outside 'freely available'. I generalized a subtle feeling in the if it ain't broke, don't fix it comment that I have occasionally seen on the forum that has discouraged posters with a non-AYP viewpoint from posting and responded to that. For misappropriating your comment with my reaction to it, my sincere apology. Your are a kind soul of open heart.
Love and Light,
Steve |
Edited by - Steve on Sep 29 2009 7:14:40 PM |
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