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676 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:10pm
Subject: Heart Palpitations jim_and_his_...
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I really hope someone can shed light on this...I'm really having some problems here.
I've had heart palpitations all my life, and over the past couple of years, they've gotten
worse. I'd attributed it to stress (I've had a lot of stress in professional/personal life), but
since I've taking up AYP, I'm feeling remarkably stress-free. Kundalini wiped away a huge
chunk (though not all) of the stress. But the palpitations continue...and are getting worse.
I'd worry that this was a sign of overdoing practices, but I'm really being extremely light
and cautious (despite of my one short experimentation with bastrika, reported earlier), and
everything seems very smooth indeed. Unless I very much misunderstand the very notion
of smoothness, I honestly believe I'm, if anything, underdoing rather than overdoing.
I understand that palpitations can be a symptom of too much energy at the heart chakra.
But I'm quite agile with my pranayama, and can also do microcosmic orbit work in a pinch
(I prefer to avoid mixing the two), and so I do have tools to bring energy down to navel,
perineum, whatever. And sometimes that helps, but much of the time it does not.
I'm in very good shape, exercise regularly, and no doctor's ever spotted a problem on a
cardiogram.
I should mention that my heart chakra has been pretty open for a couple of years now;
there's an ecstatic open warm vibration there, and meditation enhances that sensation. It's
extremely pleasant, feels deeply "right". But in the aftermath of meditation, as I go back to
normal activity, that's when the palpitations have most frequently cranked up. It's getting
to the point where my heart feels like its palpitating more often than not, and today I
found it an insurmountable distraction in meditation, and had to cut short.
Any thoughts out there?
678 From: "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:22pm
Subject: Re: Heart Palpitations obsidian9999
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Jim,
I'm not sure I can help, but I can give you a note or two from my
experience.
I have gotten heart palpitations at times during my
sadhana. I can confirm that they come at phases without apparent
stress --- I have had heart palpitations and felt quite calm. For
this reason, the obvious 'calm down' techniques are probably not
going to work. They generally went away eventually.
One possible explanation is that the phenomenon is stress * release *
as opposed to direct stress -- you know, the bodies reaction to
*eliminating* a stress can be the same as to the stress, even
heightened. I think that that was what was happening to me. If you
have had heart palpitations all your life, this could be happening
here.
As regards practices, I did find that uddiyana bandha did seem to
calm down the palpitations a little.
Another suggestion is aggressive aerobic exercise. I used a very
fast aerobic Sun Salutation.
Hope that casts some light on the situation,
-D
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim_and_his_karma"
<jim_and_his_karma@y...> wrote:
>
>
> I really hope someone can shed light on this...I'm really having
some problems here.
>
> I've had heart palpitations all my life, and over the past couple
of years, they've gotten
> worse. I'd attributed it to stress (I've had a lot of stress in
professional/personal life), but
> since I've taking up AYP, I'm feeling remarkably stress-free.
Kundalini wiped away a huge
> chunk (though not all) of the stress. But the palpitations
continue...and are getting worse.
>
> I'd worry that this was a sign of overdoing practices, but I'm
really being extremely light
> and cautious (despite of my one short experimentation with
bastrika, reported earlier), and
> everything seems very smooth indeed. Unless I very much
misunderstand the very notion
> of smoothness, I honestly believe I'm, if anything, underdoing
rather than overdoing.
>
> I understand that palpitations can be a symptom of too much energy
at the heart chakra.
> But I'm quite agile with my pranayama, and can also do microcosmic
orbit work in a pinch
> (I prefer to avoid mixing the two), and so I do have tools to bring
energy down to navel,
> perineum, whatever. And sometimes that helps, but much of the time
it does not.
>
> I'm in very good shape, exercise regularly, and no doctor's ever
spotted a problem on a
> cardiogram.
>
> I should mention that my heart chakra has been pretty open for a
couple of years now;
> there's an ecstatic open warm vibration there, and meditation
enhances that sensation. It's
> extremely pleasant, feels deeply "right". But in the aftermath of
meditation, as I go back to
> normal activity, that's when the palpitations have most frequently
cranked up. It's getting
> to the point where my heart feels like its palpitating more often
than not, and today I
> found it an insurmountable distraction in meditation, and had to
cut short.
>
> Any thoughts out there?
680 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:51pm
Subject: Re: Heart Palpitations jim_and_his_...
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You may be right, who knows (thanks for posting!). I do get tons of exercise, so it's not
that. And i'll try uddiyana bandha, thanks.
My theory, no idea if it's anywhere near on track, is that when bahkti/service/meditation
really open my heart to the max (or maybe I should say my present max...everything gets
bigger/better and more open in time), it gets really charged, spiritually (I feel my heart
area grow huge and sacred). And not being a sage or holy man, I can't maintain that
openness into my daily life 24/7. And I feel like when I go from feeling like a cell in the
body of God to doing the dishes or haggling with my landlord, my contracted heart area is
overcharged for the task - all dressed up and no place to go.
That's just pure speculation and intuition, and might be hogwash. Anyway, thanks for the
uddiyana bandha suggestion; I'd prefer a practical "fix" to a deep conceptual
understanding, y'know? :)
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "obsidian9999" <obsidian9999@y...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Jim,
>
> I'm not sure I can help, but I can give you a note or two from my
> experience.
>
> I have gotten heart palpitations at times during my
> sadhana. I can confirm that they come at phases without apparent
> stress --- I have had heart palpitations and felt quite calm. For
> this reason, the obvious 'calm down' techniques are probably not
> going to work. They generally went away eventually.
>
> One possible explanation is that the phenomenon is stress * release *
> as opposed to direct stress -- you know, the bodies reaction to
> *eliminating* a stress can be the same as to the stress, even
> heightened. I think that that was what was happening to me. If you
> have had heart palpitations all your life, this could be happening
> here.
>
> As regards practices, I did find that uddiyana bandha did seem to
> calm down the palpitations a little.
>
> Another suggestion is aggressive aerobic exercise. I used a very
> fast aerobic Sun Salutation.
>
> Hope that casts some light on the situation,
>
> -D
>
>
>
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim_and_his_karma"
> <jim_and_his_karma@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I really hope someone can shed light on this...I'm really having
> some problems here.
> >
> > I've had heart palpitations all my life, and over the past couple
> of years, they've gotten
> > worse. I'd attributed it to stress (I've had a lot of stress in
> professional/personal life), but
> > since I've taking up AYP, I'm feeling remarkably stress-free.
> Kundalini wiped away a huge
> > chunk (though not all) of the stress. But the palpitations
> continue...and are getting worse.
> >
> > I'd worry that this was a sign of overdoing practices, but I'm
> really being extremely light
> > and cautious (despite of my one short experimentation with
> bastrika, reported earlier), and
> > everything seems very smooth indeed. Unless I very much
> misunderstand the very notion
> > of smoothness, I honestly believe I'm, if anything, underdoing
> rather than overdoing.
> >
> > I understand that palpitations can be a symptom of too much energy
> at the heart chakra.
> > But I'm quite agile with my pranayama, and can also do microcosmic
> orbit work in a pinch
> > (I prefer to avoid mixing the two), and so I do have tools to bring
> energy down to navel,
> > perineum, whatever. And sometimes that helps, but much of the time
> it does not.
> >
> > I'm in very good shape, exercise regularly, and no doctor's ever
> spotted a problem on a
> > cardiogram.
> >
> > I should mention that my heart chakra has been pretty open for a
> couple of years now;
> > there's an ecstatic open warm vibration there, and meditation
> enhances that sensation. It's
> > extremely pleasant, feels deeply "right". But in the aftermath of
> meditation, as I go back to
> > normal activity, that's when the palpitations have most frequently
> cranked up. It's getting
> > to the point where my heart feels like its palpitating more often
> than not, and today I
> > found it an insurmountable distraction in meditation, and had to
> cut short.
> >
> > Any thoughts out there?
700 From: Ute Reeves <nowyoga@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:14pm
Subject: Re: Re: Heart Palpitations nowyoga2001
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Jim,
I'm glad you will check it out medically, just to be sure.
You might try chanting the vowel sound of the heart chakra ,"ay" as in
"play". This could especially help if the palpitations are due to a very
charged heart chakra. It seems to work for me.
Be well,
Ute
684 From: victor yj <vic@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:57pm
Subject: Re: Heart Palpitations vic
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It is possibly a purely physical cause. A friend of mine seemed generally healthy until they found a hole in the septum of his heart that was causing palpitations. They were able to repair it with very minimally invasive surgery and now he is fully recovered. I am not suggesting that you have this condition but I AM suggesting that you get your heart checked by a physician as well as by working with esoteric yogic methods. Some things can be simple mechanics and the sooner you treat them the better.
jim_and_his_karma <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com> wrote:
I really hope someone can shed light on this...I'm really having some problems here.
I've had heart palpitations all my life, and over the past couple of years, they've gotten
worse. I'd attributed it to stress (I've had a lot of stress in professional/personal life), but
since I've taking up AYP, I'm feeling remarkably stress-free. Kundalini wiped away a huge
chunk (though not all) of the stress. But the palpitations continue...and are getting worse.
I'd worry that this was a sign of overdoing practices, but I'm really being extremely light
and cautious (despite of my one short experimentation with bastrika, reported earlier), and
everything seems very smooth indeed. Unless I very much misunderstand the very notion
of smoothness, I honestly believe I'm, if anything, underdoing rather than overdoing.
I understand that palpitations can be a symptom of too much energy at the heart chakra.
But I'm quite agile with my pranayama, and can also do microcosmic orbit work in a pinch
(I prefer to avoid mixing the two), and so I do have tools to bring energy down to navel,
perineum, whatever. And sometimes that helps, but much of the time it does not.
I'm in very good shape, exercise regularly, and no doctor's ever spotted a problem on a
cardiogram.
I should mention that my heart chakra has been pretty open for a couple of years now;
there's an ecstatic open warm vibration there, and meditation enhances that sensation. It's
extremely pleasant, feels deeply "right". But in the aftermath of meditation, as I go back to
normal activity, that's when the palpitations have most frequently cranked up. It's getting
to the point where my heart feels like its palpitating more often than not, and today I
found it an insurmountable distraction in meditation, and had to cut short.
Any thoughts out there?
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689 From: "Adam West" <adamwest1@iprimus.com.au>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:29am
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Hi all,
I know an Adept who has told me that when his heart chakra becomes heightened and fully active, which usually happens when he consciously Astral Projects He experiences it, amongst other things, as rapid heart beat. He has checked physically to see if it is a physical phenomena, but for him, it is not, purely psychic :-) His name is Robert Bruce he has a site, if you dig around, you may find reference to it if your so inclined. Just Google his name and Astral Projection, he is the best in the business, and one of the extremely rare and true Adepts you will ever meet :-)
In kind regards,
Adam.
It is possibly a purely physical cause. A friend of mine seemed generally healthy until they found a hole in the septum of his heart that was causing palpitations. They were able to repair it with very minimally invasive surgery and now he is fully recovered. I am not suggesting that you have this condition but I AM suggesting that you get your heart checked by a physician as well as by working with esoteric yogic methods. Some things can be simple mechanics and the sooner you treat them the better.
jim_and_his_karma <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com> wrote:
I really hope someone can shed light on this...I'm really having some problems here.
I've had heart palpitations all my life, and over the past couple of years, they've gotten
worse. I'd attributed it to stress (I've had a lot of stress in professional/personal life), but
since I've taking up AYP, I'm feeling remarkably stress-free. Kundalini wiped away a huge
chunk (though not all) of the stress. But the palpitations continue...and are getting worse.
I'd worry that this was a sign of overdoing practices, but I'm really being extremely light
and cautious (despite of my one short experimentation with bastrika, reported earlier), and
everything seems very smooth indeed. Unless I very much misunderstand the very notion
of smoothness, I honestly believe I'm, if anything, underdoing rather than overdoing.
I understand that palpitations can be a symptom of too much energy at the heart chakra.
But I'm quite agile with my pranayama, and can also do microcosmic orbit work in a pinch
(I prefer to avoid mixing the two), and so I do have tools to bring energy down to navel,
perineum, whatever. And sometimes that helps, but much of the time it does not.
I'm in very good shape, exercise regularly, and no doctor's ever spotted a problem on a
cardiogram.
I should mention that my heart chakra has been pretty open for a couple of years now;
there's an ecstatic open warm vibration there, and meditation enhances that sensation. It's
extremely pleasant, feels deeply "right". But in the aftermath of meditation, as I go back to
normal activity, that's when the palpitations have most frequently cranked up. It's getting
to the point where my heart feels like its palpitating more often than not, and today I
found it an insurmountable distraction in meditation, and had to cut short.
Any thoughts out there?
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695 From: "Danny" <danny@metalhosts.com>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:44am
Subject: Re: Heart Palpitations mysticaldan
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Namaste Jim,
Its amazin how sometimes i think of ourselves of twins. Right down to how we
have progressed thru our life. Its been an uncanningly similar path.
Anyways what u say is the same that i get which i had promptly asked Yogani
abt a few months back. Everytime i sit in meditation my heart seems to beat
more than less and almost goes on the throes of palpitations. This is what
Yogani had to say :
"
###########################################
It sounds like you are going through "clunky" beginning stages there with
your practice.
The first thing to do is set aside the time twice daily and commit to do
your sitting practice for a few months so it can settle in. Then the habit
will be easy to sustain.
Next, if you are following the AYP lessons, you should first do easy mantra
meditation, not taking on cross-legged sitting, spinal breathing or anything
else. Just meditation sitting in a comfortable position. It sounds like you
may be taking on too much at once. Just do deep meditation for a few weeks
or months and see how that goes. Your pulse should settle down naturally as
you do meditation as instructed, easily using the mantra to go to stillness
of mind and body (the heart will become quiet too) -- review the lesson
series on meditation beginning at #13.
Once you have a steady routine of meditation going for a some weeks (or
months), then you can think about crossed legs. Then, when that is getting
easy, you can add spinal breathing. One step at a time, you know. Rome was
not built in a day. When you get to it in a few months, the spinal breathing
will be easy also. No strain or judgment about it. Just up and down with the
breath -- it is not an exact thing. As the nervous system begins to be
cleared out a bit the route will become very easy and smooth. No heavy
concentration is necessary -- intense concentration is an obstruction to
natural spinal breathing. A lot of effort is not necessary. Nothing has to
be "felt" in the body at any particular time. The attention just goes easily
up and down with breath between brow and root, like that. It is not a
monumental task. If we drift off, we just easily come back to it. This is
covered in the lessons. "
##################################################
So there you are. Aparently in my thinking I am a little too sensitive to my
environment. Which will help me once i am in touch with my conciousness but
for now its proving to be a hinderance and i have to coax my body to relax.
I still cant trace my breath though i have just started on this path and am
just learning to sit still and relax and do basic cleansing exercises like
nadhi shodhana. I have also seen that when i try to sit still the
palpitations increase but over a few minutes begin to subside but only if i
want to sit still. If i introduce any other thought of doing anything it
starts again.
Hope this is of some help to you.
Om Tat Sat
Dan
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:10:55 -0000
> From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Heart Palpitations
>
>
>
> I really hope someone can shed light on this...I'm really having some
problems here.
>
> I've had heart palpitations all my life, and over the past couple of
years, they've gotten
> worse. I'd attributed it to stress (I've had a lot of stress in
professional/personal life), but
> since I've taking up AYP, I'm feeling remarkably stress-free. Kundalini
wiped away a huge
> chunk (though not all) of the stress. But the palpitations continue...and
are getting worse.
>
> I'd worry that this was a sign of overdoing practices, but I'm really
being extremely light
> and cautious (despite of my one short experimentation with bastrika,
reported earlier), and
> everything seems very smooth indeed. Unless I very much misunderstand the
very notion
> of smoothness, I honestly believe I'm, if anything, underdoing rather than
overdoing.
>
> I understand that palpitations can be a symptom of too much energy at the
heart chakra.
> But I'm quite agile with my pranayama, and can also do microcosmic orbit
work in a pinch
> (I prefer to avoid mixing the two), and so I do have tools to bring energy
down to navel,
> perineum, whatever. And sometimes that helps, but much of the time it does
not.
>
> I'm in very good shape, exercise regularly, and no doctor's ever spotted a
problem on a
> cardiogram.
>
> I should mention that my heart chakra has been pretty open for a couple of
years now;
> there's an ecstatic open warm vibration there, and meditation enhances
that sensation. It's
> extremely pleasant, feels deeply "right". But in the aftermath of
meditation, as I go back to
> normal activity, that's when the palpitations have most frequently cranked
up. It's getting
> to the point where my heart feels like its palpitating more often than
not, and today I
> found it an insurmountable distraction in meditation, and had to cut
short.
>
> Any thoughts out there?
697 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2005 0:26pm
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Thanks Dan!
The thing is that I have a long history of palpitations...which are getting worse. I'll check it
out medically this week.
I've also seen lots of references to this being a natural occurrence when heart chakra's
opening...and I've definitely been having a growth spurt there. So hopefully that's it.
Otherwise, I'm being, if anything, overly cautious with my practice, and while I may be
fooling myself (always possible!) it seems otherwise very smooth. Except for that bastrika
- and, come to think of it Yogani does warn that overdone bastrika can have a delayed
effect, so maybe this is it!
Thanks, all!
JIM
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "Danny" <danny@m...> wrote:
>
> Namaste Jim,
> Its amazin how sometimes i think of ourselves of twins. Right down to how we
> have progressed thru our life. Its been an uncanningly similar path.
> Anyways what u say is the same that i get which i had promptly asked Yogani
> abt a few months back. Everytime i sit in meditation my heart seems to beat
> more than less and almost goes on the throes of palpitations. This is what
> Yogani had to say :
>
> "
> ###########################################
>
> It sounds like you are going through "clunky" beginning stages there with
> your practice.
>
> The first thing to do is set aside the time twice daily and commit to do
> your sitting practice for a few months so it can settle in. Then the habit
> will be easy to sustain.
>
> Next, if you are following the AYP lessons, you should first do easy mantra
> meditation, not taking on cross-legged sitting, spinal breathing or anything
> else. Just meditation sitting in a comfortable position. It sounds like you
> may be taking on too much at once. Just do deep meditation for a few weeks
> or months and see how that goes. Your pulse should settle down naturally as
> you do meditation as instructed, easily using the mantra to go to stillness
> of mind and body (the heart will become quiet too) -- review the lesson
> series on meditation beginning at #13.
>
> Once you have a steady routine of meditation going for a some weeks (or
> months), then you can think about crossed legs. Then, when that is getting
> easy, you can add spinal breathing. One step at a time, you know. Rome was
> not built in a day. When you get to it in a few months, the spinal breathing
> will be easy also. No strain or judgment about it. Just up and down with the
> breath -- it is not an exact thing. As the nervous system begins to be
> cleared out a bit the route will become very easy and smooth. No heavy
> concentration is necessary -- intense concentration is an obstruction to
> natural spinal breathing. A lot of effort is not necessary. Nothing has to
> be "felt" in the body at any particular time. The attention just goes easily
> up and down with breath between brow and root, like that. It is not a
> monumental task. If we drift off, we just easily come back to it. This is
> covered in the lessons. "
> ##################################################
>
> So there you are. Aparently in my thinking I am a little too sensitive to my
> environment. Which will help me once i am in touch with my conciousness but
> for now its proving to be a hinderance and i have to coax my body to relax.
> I still cant trace my breath though i have just started on this path and am
> just learning to sit still and relax and do basic cleansing exercises like
> nadhi shodhana. I have also seen that when i try to sit still the
> palpitations increase but over a few minutes begin to subside but only if i
> want to sit still. If i introduce any other thought of doing anything it
> starts again.
>
> Hope this is of some help to you.
>
> Om Tat Sat
> Dan
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:10:55 -0000
> > From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@y...>
> > Subject: Heart Palpitations
> >
> >
> >
> > I really hope someone can shed light on this...I'm really having some
> problems here.
> >
> > I've had heart palpitations all my life, and over the past couple of
> years, they've gotten
> > worse. I'd attributed it to stress (I've had a lot of stress in
> professional/personal life), but
> > since I've taking up AYP, I'm feeling remarkably stress-free. Kundalini
> wiped away a huge
> > chunk (though not all) of the stress. But the palpitations continue...and
> are getting worse.
> >
> > I'd worry that this was a sign of overdoing practices, but I'm really
> being extremely light
> > and cautious (despite of my one short experimentation with bastrika,
> reported earlier), and
> > everything seems very smooth indeed. Unless I very much misunderstand the
> very notion
> > of smoothness, I honestly believe I'm, if anything, underdoing rather than
> overdoing.
> >
> > I understand that palpitations can be a symptom of too much energy at the
> heart chakra.
> > But I'm quite agile with my pranayama, and can also do microcosmic orbit
> work in a pinch
> > (I prefer to avoid mixing the two), and so I do have tools to bring energy
> down to navel,
> > perineum, whatever. And sometimes that helps, but much of the time it does
> not.
> >
> > I'm in very good shape, exercise regularly, and no doctor's ever spotted a
> problem on a
> > cardiogram.
> >
> > I should mention that my heart chakra has been pretty open for a couple of
> years now;
> > there's an ecstatic open warm vibration there, and meditation enhances
> that sensation. It's
> > extremely pleasant, feels deeply "right". But in the aftermath of
> meditation, as I go back to
> > normal activity, that's when the palpitations have most frequently cranked
> up. It's getting
> > to the point where my heart feels like its palpitating more often than
> not, and today I
> > found it an insurmountable distraction in meditation, and had to cut
> short.
> >
> > Any thoughts out there?
705 From: "Kathy" <nagoyasea@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Apr 14, 2005 0:42pm
Subject: Re: Heart Palpitations nagoyasea
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Dear Jim and His Karma,
I'm relieved to hear that even with all the wonderful input you've
had from the group, that you're still going to get this checked out
by a physician. In fact, since you've had palpitations your whole
life, I hope that whenever you notice an abrupt change in this area,
that you'll always check it out medically too.... :)
In light and love,
Kathy
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim_and_his_karma"
<jim_and_his_karma@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Dan!
>
> The thing is that I have a long history of palpitations...which
are getting worse. I'll check it
> out medically this week.
>
> I've also seen lots of references to this being a natural
occurrence when heart chakra's
> opening...and I've definitely been having a growth spurt there. So
hopefully that's it.
>
> Otherwise, I'm being, if anything, overly cautious with my
practice, and while I may be
> fooling myself (always possible!) it seems otherwise very smooth.
Except for that bastrika
> - and, come to think of it Yogani does warn that overdone bastrika
can have a delayed
> effect, so maybe this is it!
>
> Thanks, all!
>
>
> JIM
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "Danny" <danny@m...> wrote:
> >
> > Namaste Jim,
> > Its amazin how sometimes i think of ourselves of twins. Right
down to how we
> > have progressed thru our life. Its been an uncanningly similar
path.
> > Anyways what u say is the same that i get which i had promptly
asked Yogani
> > abt a few months back. Everytime i sit in meditation my heart
seems to beat
> > more than less and almost goes on the throes of palpitations.
This is what
> > Yogani had to say :
> >
> > "
> > ###########################################
> >
> > It sounds like you are going through "clunky" beginning stages
there with
> > your practice.
> >
> > The first thing to do is set aside the time twice daily and
commit to do
> > your sitting practice for a few months so it can settle in. Then
the habit
> > will be easy to sustain.
> >
> > Next, if you are following the AYP lessons, you should first do
easy mantra
> > meditation, not taking on cross-legged sitting, spinal breathing
or anything
> > else. Just meditation sitting in a comfortable position. It
sounds like you
> > may be taking on too much at once. Just do deep meditation for a
few weeks
> > or months and see how that goes. Your pulse should settle down
naturally as
> > you do meditation as instructed, easily using the mantra to go
to stillness
> > of mind and body (the heart will become quiet too) -- review the
lesson
> > series on meditation beginning at #13.
> >
> > Once you have a steady routine of meditation going for a some
weeks (or
> > months), then you can think about crossed legs. Then, when that
is getting
> > easy, you can add spinal breathing. One step at a time, you
know. Rome was
> > not built in a day. When you get to it in a few months, the
spinal breathing
> > will be easy also. No strain or judgment about it. Just up and
down with the
> > breath -- it is not an exact thing. As the nervous system begins
to be
> > cleared out a bit the route will become very easy and smooth. No
heavy
> > concentration is necessary -- intense concentration is an
obstruction to
> > natural spinal breathing. A lot of effort is not necessary.
Nothing has to
> > be "felt" in the body at any particular time. The attention just
goes easily
> > up and down with breath between brow and root, like that. It is
not a
> > monumental task. If we drift off, we just easily come back to
it. This is
> > covered in the lessons. "
> > ##################################################
> >
> > So there you are. Aparently in my thinking I am a little too
sensitive to my
> > environment. Which will help me once i am in touch with my
conciousness but
> > for now its proving to be a hinderance and i have to coax my
body to relax.
> > I still cant trace my breath though i have just started on this
path and am
> > just learning to sit still and relax and do basic cleansing
exercises like
> > nadhi shodhana. I have also seen that when i try to sit still the
> > palpitations increase but over a few minutes begin to subside
but only if i
> > want to sit still. If i introduce any other thought of doing
anything it
> > starts again.
> >
> > Hope this is of some help to you.
> >
> > Om Tat Sat
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:10:55 -0000
> > > From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@y...>
> > > Subject: Heart Palpitations
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I really hope someone can shed light on this...I'm really
having some
> > problems here.
> > >
> > > I've had heart palpitations all my life, and over the past
couple of
> > years, they've gotten
> > > worse. I'd attributed it to stress (I've had a lot of stress in
> > professional/personal life), but
> > > since I've taking up AYP, I'm feeling remarkably stress-free.
Kundalini
> > wiped away a huge
> > > chunk (though not all) of the stress. But the palpitations
continue...and
> > are getting worse.
> > >
> > > I'd worry that this was a sign of overdoing practices, but I'm
really
> > being extremely light
> > > and cautious (despite of my one short experimentation with
bastrika,
> > reported earlier), and
> > > everything seems very smooth indeed. Unless I very much
misunderstand the
> > very notion
> > > of smoothness, I honestly believe I'm, if anything, underdoing
rather than
> > overdoing.
> > >
> > > I understand that palpitations can be a symptom of too much
energy at the
> > heart chakra.
> > > But I'm quite agile with my pranayama, and can also do
microcosmic orbit
> > work in a pinch
> > > (I prefer to avoid mixing the two), and so I do have tools to
bring energy
> > down to navel,
> > > perineum, whatever. And sometimes that helps, but much of the
time it does
> > not.
> > >
> > > I'm in very good shape, exercise regularly, and no doctor's
ever spotted a
> > problem on a
> > > cardiogram.
> > >
> > > I should mention that my heart chakra has been pretty open for
a couple of
> > years now;
> > > there's an ecstatic open warm vibration there, and meditation
enhances
> > that sensation. It's
> > > extremely pleasant, feels deeply "right". But in the aftermath
of
> > meditation, as I go back to
> > > normal activity, that's when the palpitations have most
frequently cranked
> > up. It's getting
> > > to the point where my heart feels like its palpitating more
often than
> > not, and today I
> > > found it an insurmountable distraction in meditation, and had
to cut
> > short.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts out there?
710 From: "jim_and_his_karma" <jim_and_his_karma@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:11pm
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Thanks, Kathy, and all.
To follow up (in case others with a similar problem ever surf through this discussion):
Chanting the "ay" sound really seems soothing. I'm not sure (yet) how much it helps with
the palpitations, though. I don't think it's a symptom of de-stressing. The big de-
stressing was a couple of months ago. And I'm not talking about fast heartbeat; I'm talking
about skipped, stuttering, fluttery aberrations every few heartbeats. That's different from
fast heartbeat.
I've done a lot of web surfing, and while everyone seems to agree that momentary
palpitations are a sign of heart chakra opening, nobody talks about sustained palpitations
over a number of days. It's simply not a symptom.
My heart chakra first started cracking open noticeably about 2 1/2 years ago. There was a
major growth spurt when my kundalini awakened a couple months ago. And it swells, like
the last scene of The Grinch Who Stole Christmas, within moments of starting meditation.
My practice is pretty basic, because I'm a recovered kundalini over-doer (no symptoms for
many weeks). 10 min pranayama with mulabanda/sambhavi (no palpitations) followed by
simple mantra in cross legs (no siddhasana....healing sprained ankle). It may be that I'm
either meditating wrong and/or that I've inadvertently short-cutted to a higher energy
level than my heart can handle. Meditation goes like this: I let go, I get spontaneous
Sambhavi, my spine feels like it's unfurling light years long via my third eye (much longer
since my brief flirtation with bastrika last week), the air gets almost too rich to breathe, I
sometimes (not always) get spontaneous Kumbhaka, my heart opens wide and melodious,
and that's pretty much it for the 20 mins. Yogani confirms my suspicion that this isn't
some divine state, but, rather, an "experience". So I'm trying to let the experience go, but
it's sticking and it's really hypercharging my heart. But aside from the palpitations,
everything feels beyond great.
The palpitations had been increasing mostly after meditation - as if my heart was reacting
badly to being charged and then lost contact with (am not a holy man, can't integrate 24/
7). Now the palpitations start from the moment I start meditating. So, I've stopped
meditating, will go to doctor, will chant "ay", will continue asana practice and robust
exercise.
AYP has cured a lot of medical and energy problems for me. I'm feeling almost 100%
healthy and robust, and really in touch with my body. But I can't figure this one out.
So....time to really concentrate on it front and center for a while.
Thanks again!
J&K
--- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kathy" <nagoyasea@y...> wrote:
Dear Jim and His Karma,
I'm relieved to hear that even with all the wonderful input you've had from the group, that
you're still going to get this checked out by a physician. In fact, since you've had
palpitations your whole life, I hope that whenever you notice an abrupt change in this area,
that you'll always check it out medically too.... :)
In light and love,
Kathy
714 From: "Dan" <danny@metalhosts.com>
Date: Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:42am
Subject: Re: Heart Palpitations mysticaldan
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Namaste Jim,
The mind plays all sorts of games to get u to not sit and meditate.
Sometimes this manifests itself as irritations, itches and pains etc.
Very physical symptoms and i only assume that my heart palpitations
are also a result of the same. Of course with the heart chakra
opening thats possible. I have always been compasssionate being and
wud be having an open heart chakra and cud be the reaason that you
mention.
However i have realised one thing for sure and thats not to pay
attention to the mantra as a mantra. I feel when i am doing things my
heart tends to palpitate more. Once i just flow along it stops. SO i
dont even repeat the mantra and just look at my breath. Thats it.
Simple. The monet i add things to it it goes wonky. If its a medical
thing it shud be wonky all the time why just during meditation? I now
look like myself as an encyclopedia of information and ma now
starting to take the baby steps of getting to stand up first. Walking
will come much later for me. I am just happy that i am awakened enuf
to think of standing up or in fact crawling towards the Ultimate Goal.
To have waited so many lifetimes to just get this realisation is enuf
for me to now know that i am moving and no longer in inertia :-)
Om Tat Sat
Dan
> Thanks Dan!
>
> The thing is that I have a long history of palpitations...which are
getting worse. I'll check it
> out medically this week.
>
> I've also seen lots of references to this being a natural
occurrence when heart chakra's
> opening...and I've definitely been having a growth spurt there. So
hopefully that's it.
>
> Otherwise, I'm being, if anything, overly cautious with my
practice, and while I may be
> fooling myself (always possible!) it seems otherwise very smooth.
Except for that bastrika
> - and, come to think of it Yogani does warn that overdone bastrika
can have a delayed
> effect, so maybe this is it!
>
> Thanks, all!
>
>
> JIM
>
> --- In AYPforum@yahoogroups.com, "Danny" <danny@m...> wrote:
> >
> > Namaste Jim,
> > Its amazin how sometimes i think of ourselves of twins. Right
down to how we
> > have progressed thru our life. Its been an uncanningly similar
path.
> > Anyways what u say is the same that i get which i had promptly
asked Yogani
> > abt a few months back. Everytime i sit in meditation my heart
seems to beat
> > more than less and almost goes on the throes of palpitations.
This is what
> > Yogani had to say :
> >
> > "
> > ###########################################
> >
> > It sounds like you are going through "clunky" beginning stages
there with
> > your practice.
> >
> > The first thing to do is set aside the time twice daily and
commit to do
> > your sitting practice for a few months so it can settle in. Then
the habit
> > will be easy to sustain.
> >
> > Next, if you are following the AYP lessons, you should first do
easy mantra
> > meditation, not taking on cross-legged sitting, spinal breathing
or anything
> > else. Just meditation sitting in a comfortable position. It
sounds like you
> > may be taking on too much at once. Just do deep meditation for a
few weeks
> > or months and see how that goes. Your pulse should settle down
naturally as
> > you do meditation as instructed, easily using the mantra to go to
stillness
> > of mind and body (the heart will become quiet too) -- review the
lesson
> > series on meditation beginning at #13.
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