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Kim
Finland
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 Posted - Aug 18 2011 : 6:35:41 PM
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Namaste 
I thought I'd like to share a few things which concern AYP-practices. I've been a fan of the site for several years and I'm familiar with the practices themselves, though I never really followed the whole system.
By writing this I just wish to share a different view as views on central matters do differ according to the experience of the person.
I might have not read all Yogani has written or explained on crown chakra but the texts I have read, he seems to hold the view that it can cause a lot of trouble if it opens up too soon. To some degree, I am sure, this is true. However, according to my own practice experience and having seen so many people meditating on the crown and the chakras above the head, I'd say that, perhaps Yogani has a slightly exaggerating tone concerning this.
I was first initiated into spiritual yoga, Kriya Yoga to be eaxct, by Paramahamsa Prajnanananda, who is the main heir of Paramahamsa Hariharananda. It's a beautiful yogic tradition. In this tradition I only learned the first level (I've learned several other Kriya Yoga systems including all levels which are traced to Babaji Mahavatar or His Satgurus) but it holds the most wonderful aspect of spiritual yoga I've ever encountered, which is the teaching of Paravastha, lit. "a state beyond other states". My translation might not be the best possible ;) This means going straight up high towards the sky after the central channel in the spine has been activated and magnetized with practices such as Mahamudra, Shambhavi Mudra and Kriya Pranayama. In this tradition the concentration is not brought into the forehead during spinal breathing, there is no 90-degree turn in the sushumna but straight up beginning from the tailbone. This is taught in level 1.
I've participated on several programs in Europe and India in this tradition and have seen so many people enjoying their practice of Harihara Baba's Kriya that I can not help thinking that there certainly can be other views to this crown chakra-matter as that of Yogani's. I used to teach a kriya practice called Sundara Kriya Yoga too and this also supports my view. So many people, age in between 20-70 years, have enjoyed and benefited of meditating on the crown and going high up into Paravastha without prior yoga experience. I've seen and witnessed the "miracle of Love" myself ;)
Another point I'd like to comment is the matter of teaching yoga and meditation to children.
In the same tradition of Hariharananda Baba the youngest ever student initiated into their Kriya has been 10 or 11 years old and the oldest person 96 or 97, and both were taught exactly as all others, without making exceptions. I remember Prajnanananda Baba commented that there is no age limit in teaching Kriya to children as long as they themselves understand and know what they are doing. Yogani wasn't very thorough on the subject here, so I am just giving another perspective.
Aum,
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bewell
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Posted - Aug 18 2011 : 10:19:32 PM
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Kim
Namaste
Thanks for sharing from your tradition, and out of your reading of the AYP Lessons.
You wrote:
"...according to my own practice experience and having seen so many people meditating on the crown and the chakras above the head, I'd say that, perhaps Yogani has a slightly exaggerating tone concerning this."
I just re-read Lesson 199 - Managing the opening of the crown.
I think you have made an interesting observation. My sense is that Yogani's students here on the forum sometimes take this concern about crown opening farther than Yogani. Certainly, the note of caution comes through in Yogani's teaching. His caution has to do specifically with managing a Kundalini awakening. Could that be the crux of the difference? A different perspective on Kundalini awakening? From your tradition or your experience, do you have a perspective on managing Kundalini awakening, and how that relates to crown opening?
Aum
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jason082011
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Posted - Aug 18 2011 : 10:49:21 PM
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in my own practices i have used techniques in which the intent was to open or activate the crown chakra via pranayama through meditation. Focussing concentrated attention on the general location of this center (at or on the top of the head), letting all other thoughts, distractions, senses and feelings pass and become nothing as soon as they arrive in the awareness. when i meditate, i can connect directly with the abundant source of divine energy that resonates there and am able to feel it pressing down upon and into me. i am able to follow it along the path of my spine.
by adding malkuth, an object from the kaballah, i can connect to a point where the energy enters the ground in and around the area of my feet and ankles. talk about
connecting with nature!
and the energy just keeps travelling ... and travelling ... and travelling ...
expanding my awareness even further, i can sense the energy moving up from malkuth towards the base or root chakra and making its way to the crown chakra, where it may leave just as easily as it had come in to begin with.
kundalini comes into play as the energy travels upward, from beneath, and reaches the sushumna...
there are sometimes obstructions -- blockages in the flow of divine energy...
the energy stuck at the bottom of the sushumna is the kundalini and it can shoot up the sushumna without warning random it can no longer be contained. this is what causes our random, short-lived experiences of pure bliss consciousness...
as the obstructions are removed one by one, the kundalini is able to travel farther and to resonate in the different areas along the sushumna for longer periods of time and eventually reach and flow continuously to the crown (or farther... who knows?? ;))
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jason082011
USA
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Posted - Aug 19 2011 : 12:32:12 AM
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(part ii)
i can't really say why yogani chose to direct the divine energy travelling along the sushumna spinal nerve and into the fore-head region of the third-eye (6th chakra)...
the third-eye operates well with the use of mantras, yantras, mudhras...
see if you focus on putting some of your second chakra energy into a third-eye position, situation or environment that you've been in before. but instead of thinking it out i want you to picture it in front of you (really! i mean right in front of you :) ) as if you were standing on location where they were making a film about you and they were about to shoot the scene that you had in mind ... how do you feel?? (with your hands .. of course)... well, it's not really me that has to play this out in the act that's about to unfold, so i can just leave or ... ?? do you hear that? what? silence ... watch the show .. but there's a catch ... throughout the scene there will be very small, subtle, inconsistencies when it comes to what really happened and why ...
got to get back to yoga ...
(part iii next?? don't know yet .. still thinking about it)
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Tibetan_Ice
Canada
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Posted - Aug 19 2011 : 12:35:06 AM
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Hi Kim,
Just so we understand, this is what Yogani says about the crown in Lesson 287:
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The best crown experiences are the ones that have gone to dissolution into pure bliss consciousness, without negative after-effects. This indicates body-wide purity. As with all practices, we know it is good if we feel good in our regular daily activity afterward.
Once we get to that stage, then what? Well, nothing much really. We just keep going with our stable practice routine (using prudent self-pacing), and our regular life. Contrary to popular belief, there is no place other than HERE that we have to go to -- no exit via the crown to some other exotic dimension. Actually, the opposite happens -- the ecstatic bliss (the exotic) comes in here from out there. That is the thing, you know -- the divine process is not us going somewhere else. It is the divine coming in through us into this life -- this ordinary life. It ends up melting our heart in an extraordinary way and flowing out through our actions. In AYP we call it outpouring divine love. That's it...
Perhaps Yogani's definition of "pure bliss consciousness" is very simple and easy to understand. We are all entitled to our own belief systems. Some are more complex than others.
In Raja Yoga, they say that the crown is the beginning of the development of the Golden Body, that there are other planes, that each of the 1008 petals of the sahasrara grant their own siddhi (magical power) and that the main goal is not to get caught up in the sub-planes above and magical mystical powers, but find the very tip of the top of the sushumna a ways above the head, because that is the culmination of the journey.
link: http://www.himalayanacademy.com/res...s_ch-49.html
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As we have previously studied, there are seven different states in the superconscious mind, seven different states and usages. The very first is the light. And the pure consciousness state that we just discussed is the seventh state. All the others we want to avoid. It is not that it wouldn't be possible to get into them and develop them, but we want to definitely avoid them, because they are, shall we say, deterrents to the purities in the Self. So, we shall avoid them by going from basic inner light to a more intense light and popping out into a pure state of consciousness. The sannyasin will still have an overall consciousness of the physical body. As a matter of fact, when he is looking down at the physical body, it might just appear like a shadow to him. It is not advisable for him to look down at the physical body in consciousness, for that will lead him down into the sixth or fifth plane of consciousness, and we don't want to be there in the superconscious. Then other things will intervene, and he won't achieve the samadhi. He will have to come out and start over again. So, these investigations we want to avoid, because they are not necessary, ever, though they are not impossible. When he is in his pure state of consciousness, then he has to look for the continuation of the kundalini force or, shall we say, the continuation of the nerve currents that house the kundalini force. In conscious-mind terms, that will look like a tube or a nerve current which would be issued right from the top of the head.
In this state of pure consciousness, like in outer space, he tries to find just one nerve current right at the top of the head. When he finds this nerve current at the top of the head, he is taught to concentrate on it from where it begins at the top of the head right up to the end of it, and soon he finds the end of it. The experience of experiences. Of course if he has a mishmash in his subconscious mind, he won't be able to hold this pure state of consciousness. The subconscious mind in its power and intensity of this contemplation will begin picking up, and he will be coming right back into outer consciousness. But if his subconscious is fairly clean and under control, then he will be able to hold it, and he will hold it quite naturally. It will be a natural state to him after Self Realization.
So, then the next thing to do is to find this nerve current. In conscious-mind terms, it may be about one-half inch in diameter. In superconscious-mind terms, it may be eleven feet in diameter, because the superconscious mind can magnify or it can diminish. It has that power almost at will. He must try to find the center of this nerve current, and then he comes into the core of this akasha, the very atomic structure that makes it up.
And then, the golden body (which many buddhists talk about in their teachings):
link: http://www.himalayanacademy.com/res...s_ch-38.html
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When nirvikalpa samadhi has been practiced daily for many, many years -- according to the classical yoga teachings, for twelve years -- and the golden body has been built, the kundalini force coils itself in the sahasrara chakra of the yogi, at the top of the head. This is known as the manas chakra, located about where the hairline begins at the forehead. This chakra eventually becomes the muladhara chakra, or the memory-pattern chakra, of the golden body. The manas chakra is fully activated when the golden body is fully unfolded. This is known in Hindu and Egyptian mystic schools as the golden body of light, for it registers in the minds of those who look upon it, to their soul body, as a golden ball of light or a golden body....
Then the golden body, svarnasharira, is born through the merging of the forces of the pituitary and the pineal gland, setting the sahasrara into a constant spinning motion. This constant spinning motion generates the force which propels the yoga adept back into nirvikalpa samadhi. Each time he goes into nirvikalpa samadhi he intensifies a little the spinning movement of this chakra, unfolding it a little more, and as this occurs, the golden body begins to build.
and here is a link depicting the chakras above the sahasrara:
link: http://www.himalayanacademy.com/res...urce-03.html
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Seven Chakras Above: The most subtle of the chakras lie above and within the crown chakra at the top of the head. Buddhist literature cites thirty-two chakras above. Agamic Hindu tradition delineates seven levels of the rarified dimensions of paranada, the first tattva and the highest stratum of sound. They are: vyapini, vyomanga, ananta, anatha, anashrita, samana and unmana. The higher chakras have been experienced by a rare few as a conglomerate of nadis, spiritual nerve currents, which when stimulated and developed by many samadhi experiences, slowly descend into the mental and astral bodies, effecting a permanent transformation of the entire being.
So, this is yet another perspective of the possibility of spiritual evolution.
It is probably not useful for beginners, and might just be regarded as scenery here at AYP, but it sure is interesting!
But for someone who is starting to experience nirvikalpa samadhi, perhaps developing the golden body is good reason to continue the practice..
For me, it explained what that golden ball of light that I saw during self-inquiry is.
Is the Kriya mapping of the chakras above the head similar to those of Raja Yoga?
:)
TI
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manigma
India
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Posted - Aug 19 2011 : 01:12:51 AM
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Originally posted by Kim
I was first initiated into spiritual yoga, Kriya Yoga to be eaxct, by Paramahamsa Prajnanananda, who is the main heir of Paramahamsa Hariharananda. It's a beautiful yogic tradition.
You must not forget that you were initiated into Kriya Yoga and mostly a Guru in physical form is present during training/level practices.
AYP system is not like that.
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Kim
Finland
56 Posts |
Posted - Aug 19 2011 : 11:45:06 AM
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Om,
So many interesting points and observations :)
First let's consider the question brought up by manigma i.e. the necessity of a physical guru. Again, I'm not acclaiming any final truths of these matters, just sharing views and hopefully making some useful points along the way :)
It is true that I received initiation from Prajna Baba and so it differs of AYP's approach. The very first time, however, I went to Paravastha, high above the crown was back in 2003, in some new age meditation gathering which absolutely had no tradition in it. It was great(!) and I remembered the exceptional clarity, love and stillness it revealed to me from within myself, for years until I found it again in Kriya Yoga. At that time in 2003 I was practicing Zen-meditation or zazen, as they say.
Huna is the native spiritual teachings of Polynesia ja Hawaii. There are hints of the chakras above the crown in many sources, usually as blueprints (like in hatha yoga's Surya Namaskara, for example) as my late gurudevi used to say but in Huna this is very clearly explained (at least in Huna teachings which are not corrupted by commercialism). In overall, teachings of Huna make much more sense of yoga than yoga philosophy in general does. My guru, Sivakami Om Anandi used to say that "Yogananda made sense of spirituality but Huna made sense of (Yogananda's) SRF-teachings!".
Anyway, these centers (if we can even call them centers or chakras becayse their nature is significantly different than chakras located inside the body)above the head are called Aumakua or the Higher Self in Huna. Aumakua is literally "congregation of Souls". The point here is the same as in Hariharanandaji's Kriya Yoga as well as in Sundara Kriya Yoga (which I used to teach), in Thirumoolar's Siva Yoga (which my guruji taught and I teach now) as well as in few other spiritual yoga teachings such as IAM-meditation taught by the Hugging Saint Amma's, Sri Mata Amritanandamayi Devi's, organization or Brahma Kumaris organization.
Going directly through the skull upwards allows the person to be directly in contact with his/her Higher Self or Soul/Super Consciousness or Turiya/Turiyatita Chaitanya. This state can be made contact with indirectly too (which is what usually seems to take place in very dedicated meditators of some other traditions or Christian prayers but quite rarely from what I've observed).
So... the Higher Self or the chakras high above the head is the actual abode, the Source, or each living person as well as the abode of disembodied Satgurus who can be asked to make contact with oneself in this state. Gurudevi once said to me that "In the next 50 years on Earth, there will be a push by the disembodied Siddha-masters (such as Babaji and Thirumoolar) to bring back the knowledge of the 8th and 9th chakras (above the head)". And why are such meditation techniques as those mentioned above spreading all around on Earth? Because living in contact with these highest (or deepest, if you will) centers is the most natural state for human being to be. This is the most natural and simplest state and meditating or living in this state, being conscious of the Higher self as defined by the kahunas and the Siddhas, does not create any energetic or Kundalini problems. But surely if one pushes with willpower, not having self-pacing and patience, then problems with energy do arise in any case. In my limited experience it is the life energy (prana) which creates the problems, not Kundalini Shakti. I base this view on my own experience.
So as "the Guru is in you" and us, the mentioned Higher Self is the actual Guru in us where it can (or perhaps even should, if I consider what the mentioned Satgurus teach) be looked for first.
Tibetan Ice (a nice nic :)) quoted that "Contrary to popular belief, there is no place other than HERE that we have to go to -- no exit via the crown to some other exotic dimension." from Lesson 287. This is absolutely true and the experience of Paravastha above the head only fortifies this thought.
Subramuniyaswami also quoted Rig Veda, I think in Lemurian Scrolls, which says (not verbatim) that "1/4 of human being is seen with eyes and 3/4 is unseen for the eye". This gives the exact measure in which height the highest chakra above the head actually is. There are 7 chakras in the feet and legs, 7 in the body and head and 7 above the head but the highest 7 can be summed in 2 bigger "stations". Certainly anyone whose experienced Paravastha can agree with Yogani that this experience is "pure bliss consciousness", if that was what he meant. Karmic body or the extent of ones yoga sadhana of course affects the depth and length of this deep experience but it does get better with each sitting :)
In Thirumoolar's Siva Yoga the building of the Golden Body is started from the level of 6th and 7th chakras.
Catch you later. Sorry if my English causes trouble :)
Om,
- Kim
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Arjuna
USA
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Posted - Aug 19 2011 : 2:07:11 PM
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Years ago, I was intitated into kriya by Hariharananda. A few weeks into my practice, Paravastha resulted in a major overload. I consider myself to be undersensitive to AYP meditation techniques...but I prefer that than to the freaked out, holy terror that overwhelmed me by the kriya method.
It took several days for me to compose myself after using the kriya techniques, and I thought I did permanent damage to my life.
For me, I believe that Hariharanada's kriya methods are a supersonic rocket to spiritual advancement....but I am too fearful to go that fast. |
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AYPforum
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Posted - Aug 19 2011 : 2:50:34 PM
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Kim
Finland
56 Posts |
Posted - Aug 19 2011 : 4:49:27 PM
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Originally posted by Arjuna
Years ago, I was intitated into kriya by Hariharananda. A few weeks into my practice, Paravastha resulted in a major overload...
Well, I'm sad to hear that Arjuna. A few questions, if you don't mind answering...
Do you feel that the overload was caused by
1. the Kriya-techniques which are used in prior to bringing ones awareness above the head
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2. because of bringing the awareness above the head?
In Hariharananda's-Kriya it is quite a blow of preparing techniques before the actual contact with the higher chakras - Paravastha. The minimum recommended amount of spinal pranayama is 3 cycles (in this system 1 cycle includes 12 breath cycles, so this is 36 in total) as well as Mahamudras (minimum of 1-3 recommended) and other techniques in addition.
How much did you practice? Did you add repetitions?
If you don't mind answering also to this (just for my info): What is your body type? Are you thin or well/heavy built?
In my knowledge, there is much less of cycles or preparating techniques in the other systems I mentioned earlier before the contact above.
In my experience, the higher chakras can be contacted even without any techniques. First just feel your physical body for some time, a few minutes, and then move your awareness upwards and be simultaneously aware of both the body and the space above the crown. This can be enhanced by mental visualizations, pranayama or other techniques which allow a more solid contact with Higher Self. Prayer-words from the heart and loving surrender affect greatly the depth of this union.
By the way, these pathways are referred as the "path of the Gods" (in the forehead) and the "path of the Sages" (crown). Yogananda told his followers to stay concentrated in the forehead, as Hariharananda always told his students to stay focused on the crown and feel the triple divine qualities of vibration, light and sound there. I just read from a book by Hariharananda (recorded lectures) where he advices this publicly.
Anyway, my main point wasn't to concentrate on Hariharananda's Kriya Yoga but to bring up the point that one could concentrate on the sushumna nadi going to the crown and beyond.
A quote from Sivakami Amma. She used the term Over-Soul here for the same Higher Self:
â€Nothing changed my life like Om Samadhi; not before, or since. This is the great liberator when experienced as coming to you from without. However, in reality, I have figured out it is actually a combination of kundalini and the Oversoul joining. The first puts you in contact with the world within, the Over-soul with virtually EVERYTHING. It is through this Over-soul that one communicates with everything from the Masters (in and out of incarnation) to unfolding to experience oneself as spread through solar systems and universes of physical matter.â€
If you like, more of Amma's teachings can be found here: http://en.sundarayoga.fi/53
Om,
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Arjuna
USA
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Posted - Aug 19 2011 : 9:07:56 PM
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Kim,
I was following the 1st kriya to the letter as it was being taught in the USA during 2009.
First kriya contained 8 steps:
7 bows, triple divine technique of (sound, vibration, and light), maha mudra, kriya pranayama, paravastha, jyoti mudra.
My overload began with paravastha where I sensed the dissolution of my identity, which freaked me out. Then to conclude practice with Jyoti mudra, my body began to jump, and shake so intensly that I bounce up off my cushion by several inches.
The real holy terror siezed me very unexpectedly, approximately 2 hours after my meditation session.
I think it was too much too soon for me. I definitely respect the power of spiritual practices after having an experience like this.
Shortly, after this episode, I discovered AYP, and have been practicing since with no uncomfortable reactions.
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karl
United Kingdom
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Posted - Aug 29 2011 : 06:39:14 AM
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Phew, I read all this stuff about chakras, crown openings and a whole pile of words I cannot even pronounce, never mind remember. It sounds like an instruction manual to build a space rocket.
A lot of what I read here seem to be simple experiences. When I was a lot younger I read a book by Carlos Casteneda that described a method of leaving the body. It seems very similar to the descriptions given, but the instructions were simplified and far more potent. I did indeed experience leaving my body, it terrified me, I felt powerless to get back, it was like a waking death and far too much for me. I left it alone after that.
Was that a crown opening ? I have no idea what it was, maybe just an hallucination, it served no purpose. A bit like deciding to try drugs and instead of a gentle introduction I just downed the whole lot.
I cannot quite see where any of this fits with the basic AYP practice of DM. It's something I posted in the general section. Reading Sri Nisargadatta there is no mention of anything to do with Chakras, crown openings, sitting round in circles, visualisation etc.
It just seems that practices that focus on inner/outer experiences are centred around well being within an illusion. There is nothing wrong with that, promoting well being is a good thing in itself just like getting a good massage is pleasurable, but it is transitory and sooner or later is replaced by something unpleasant.
I'm a novice at this, I don't have answers, only gut instincts. I know Yogani speaks of these practices as well, I just can't see where they fit in other than being pleasant diversions.
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Kim
Finland
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Posted - Aug 29 2011 : 10:56:24 AM
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Here is an interesting text and meditation instruction written by Drunvalo Melkhizedek (not sure if that the correct spelling) who in turn got this from Swami Sri Yukteswarji. I was referring to a new age gathering where I experienced Paravastha the first time, I think this might be the precise technique the instructor guided us through. Works like magic * Though one can just visualize a star, after getting into a loving mood, and first bring the star under the body into the center of the Mother Earth and after a while do the same, moving the star/ball of light upwards, towards the Heavens. And then just enjoy :)
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/jun1/unity.htm |
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maheswari
Lebanon
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Posted - Aug 29 2011 : 12:21:22 PM
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It just seems that practices that focus on inner/outer experiences are centred around well being within an illusion. There is nothing wrong with that, promoting well being is a good thing in itself just like getting a good massage is pleasurable, but it is transitory and sooner or later is replaced by something unpleasant.
totally agree with Karl
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Kim
Finland
56 Posts |
Posted - Aug 29 2011 : 1:59:09 PM
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I am not exactly sure if I got Karl's message right but is the question that: What is the use of all this yogic theory and knowledge?
If so, the answer is simple: All yogic techniques, ranging from physical asana-practices to particular breathing tehcniques, mantras and visualisations involving chakras, are to clean the karmic body.
From my personal experience I can say (I spent first 4 years of meditation in Zen Buddhist tradition practicing full time) that I couldn't get anywhere without such yogic practices which are taught in AYP-site. The meditation methods Zen-trad had to offer didn't have much, if any, impact on me. One could philosophise that "we are already there, there is nowhere to go or nothing to achieve" and certainly it is so from the highest perspective but if ones consciousness becomes attached to most of the 100 000 nerve impulses (thoughts, ideas, memories and emotions) that go through humans nervous system every day (study by the Oxford University), then obviously this is not a living experience.
Having said that I've met perhaps 1 or 2 persons who never had any use for any yogic or meditative techniques. When they close their eyes, they are already there and this is their living experience, not a philosophical concept.
Going beyond the crown (in meditation practices) has nothing to do with leaving the body. Sure, you become aware that you are beyond the physical body so in a way it can be said to be "leaving the body" but that is not the point of bringing awareness to the higher centers above the head.
But absolutely, leaving the body for good can be done through this path (sushumna channel going up) as well, if ones karma in the incarnation is up because of either the time is up or one has attained Sat-chit-ananda but otherwise the ones awareness returns to the incarnation. Had to sneak in a another word Karl might not be able to pronounce ;)
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karl
United Kingdom
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Posted - Aug 29 2011 : 2:32:27 PM
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Thanks for the reply Kim.
I know that there is quite a concentration on clearing the body of blockages. It's not something I have felt the need to concentrate on which I suppose is just a result of different needs for each individual practitioner.
It did strike me that I may well have cleared all this stuff out anyway as I use time line therapy which is part of the advanced NLP suite of techniques. It effectively clears out the negative emotions connected to past events but leaves the learnings from the event in place.
These negative emotions are often connected to events which can be multiple generations in the past (either genetically or as past lives). This potential for past life events is included because the mind is capable of con siding that possibility so it is not excluded.
During training I underwent TLT myself so I knew what it was all about. I experienced flash backs to past events (not necessarily real, maybe just the mind making sense of things). It was a surprise to find out I didn't want to release anger at one point.
After this session I have just realised that I had an awakening although until now had not put two and two together.
This might actually be an alternative for those wanting to make in roads into clearing the Karmic body. It's a powerful technique and is intended to work in everyday situations to rid people of PTSD, phobias and personal barriers to success. I hadn't considered it might actually be an additional help in therocess of enlightenment.
Wouldn't mind trying this on some willing guinea pigs to see what the result might be.
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manigma
India
1065 Posts |
Posted - Aug 30 2011 : 01:36:57 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Kim
Here is an interesting text and meditation instruction written by Drunvalo Melkhizedek (not sure if that the correct spelling) who in turn got this from Swami Sri Yukteswarji. I was referring to a new age gathering where I experienced Paravastha the first time, I think this might be the precise technique the instructor guided us through. Works like magic * Though one can just visualize a star, after getting into a loving mood, and first bring the star under the body into the center of the Mother Earth and after a while do the same, moving the star/ball of light upwards, towards the Heavens. And then just enjoy :)
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/jun1/unity.htm
Thanks for reminding of Sri Yukteswarji.
I used to do a similar practice in earlier days of my meditation.
I would imagine my body being filled with darkness (like tar) rising above from my feet and going upto the crown. When I was full of darkness, I would imagine a beam of light falling down from above my crown and shattering this darkness until my whole body was completely filled with light and no trace of darkness was left.
And then (without my imagination) I could visualise this light expand out from my whole body and wrap the whole earth and then spread out into the universe. I felt very united and grounded this way.
Humans are blessed with the power of imagination.
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Kim
Finland
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manigma
India
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Posted - Feb 14 2012 : 8:24:07 PM
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To bring even more clarity to the topic.
AYP aims to first clean the house below the crown as much as possible to avoid crown complications that can occur.
It is a little different if a guru takes responsibility for you and smooths out possible kundalini disasters caused by crown chakra activity.
It is true, as a child I somewhere read something about the third eye and the crown and just with intention and intuition remained at the crown and after an hour was immersed in inexpressible deep peace.
As sporadic occurances, this may not cause any conflicts within the body mind. On the other hand, Gopi Krishna reported about the difficulties that can happen if this practice is done without anything else daily for some years.
For this reason, DM aims to step into pure bliss with more control, parallely cleaning and preparing the nervous system.
In a sitting of kriya yoga practices where attention on the crown is done as part of some techniques + the guru help, there seems to be less conflicts. But it partly depends on trust and surrender, so this may not be for everyone.
AYP-style self-based approaches and guru based approaches are reflections of different wishes and needs of people. Some like to learn driving a car directly from a teacher, some are content with a good manual. Some may also like to learn the basics from a teacher and go on his/her own style and route.
Yogani made the best out of AYP with the self-pacing-approach. Anything that is more agressive, should and in most cases have someone standing behind it with full help.
From the lesson: http://www.aypsite.org/287.html
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It is important to note that energy experiences in the crown area (usually mirrored ecstatically body-wide) are caused by "friction" from remaining impurities in the nervous system.
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The best crown experiences are the ones that have gone to dissolution into pure bliss consciousness, without negative after-effects. This indicates body-wide purity.
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