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Rinaldo
Italy
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 Posted - Mar 24 2014 : 02:07:25 AM
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Dofa66, like you i always felt a pulse and pressure when using DM,it was giving me headache and irritability,
moving the mantra in the belly (i put it in the hara or lower dantien point, or like Yogani suggest in the Solar plexus) helped because at least it was like a whole body pulse, but could not concetrate the same.
As i wrote in another topic, i think some kinestethic personality have diffucult time with mantra, i cant really just "hear" it without also feeling my body, breathing etc. I "need" to put the mantra somewhere in my body :-)
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dofa66
France
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Posted - Mar 24 2014 : 1:30:11 PM
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Hi Horst and Rinaldo,
Thank you for sharing your experiences too. I have now switched to breath meditation as suggested by Yogani in lesson #367 since 2 or 3 days, and I feel a lot better. I will continue that way for a while and maybe switch back to mantra eventually, if benefits from breath meditation are not showing up in my daily life. But I will give breath meditation a chance so will keep it up as long as possible. |
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Horst
Austria
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Posted - Mar 26 2014 : 04:19:18 AM
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Hi Dofa,
Yeah, my plan is similar. I'll keep practicing the breath awareness for a little while (feeling already better now, having less excessive purification symptoms) and then, I want to reintroduce the mantra again, maybe the third enhancement and then see what happens.
I also feel so much compassion and devotion towards this practice as it is so effective and powerful.
Take care,
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dofa66
France
46 Posts |
Posted - Mar 28 2014 : 03:54:03 AM
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Originally posted by Rinaldo
...or like Yogani suggest in the Solar plexus helped because at least it was like a whole body pulse, but could not concetrate the same.
Hi Rinaldo,
I cannot find where Yogani made this suggestion : would you be so kind as to provide me with the link ?
Thx |
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Rinaldo
Italy
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dofa66
France
46 Posts |
Posted - Apr 03 2014 : 03:32:22 AM
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Hello you all,
I have been doing breath meditation for a week or so, and it removed all these over-sensitive symptoms away from me. However, after a few days, I wanted (better say I needed  ) to switch back to mantra DM. In the meantime, I had started reading some books on self inquiry and non duality (such as 'I am that' from Nisargadatta Maharaj), and also viewed some videos from Francis Lucille on the internet. These guys were teaching more or less a 'do nothing' meditation, just be there, settling in an 'I am' stance ... So one day I started meditating as this, trying just to be here and now, with no intention, just feelings and thoughts.
After a while (few minutes ?) I started thinking very slowly 'I am' in French (my native language), then I switched softly to the English I am (AYAM) thinking, repeating it slowly. When the clock jingled 20 mn, I felt really good and quiet. So I remembered the first lesson on DM which says as follows:
"Once you have gotten comfortable, slowly close your eyes. You will notice thoughts, streams of thoughts. That is fine. Just observe them without minding them. After about a minute, gently introduce the thought …I AM… and begin to repeat it easily and effortlessly in your mind."
Here we are ! When meditating every day during the previous 4 months, I finally forgot the basic instructions, and started repeating I AM very shortly after sitting, in a kind of clunky fashion I guess. And I suspect this made the symptoms appearing (tickling in the forefront and pressure in the head). I have been doing DM with I AM mantra for 2 or 3 days now, following the above basic instructions carefully, and I seems to be OK. The feeling is very different from the past. I know 2 or 3 days may be too short to be sure of it, and maybe the current situation is jus a consequence of the one week break with breath meditation, but I wanted to share this right now, while it is clear in my mind.
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Omsat
Belgium
267 Posts |
Posted - Apr 03 2014 : 05:14:50 AM
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Hello dofa66,
Good to hear deep meditation is going well again.
I have also had the impression that overloads after DM could be mitigated when sitting still and relaxing the mind before starting with the mantra. In my (only briefly tested) experience not only the overall time sitting for meditation could safely be increased by first sitting quiet and relaxing the mind, but also the DM time by itself could be prolonged while the tendency of overload effects was reduced.
So, it may be that your first explanation is valid. Of course, as you mention, it is possible that it is just because you did not practice DM for a while.. So if you are planning on building up DM, it will be wise to do it at a safe pace as recommended in the lessons.. Time and experience will tell.. 
Bonne chance
Omsat
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Originally posted by dofa66
Hello you all,
I have been doing breath meditation for a week or so, and it removed all these over-sensitive symptoms away from me. However, after a few days, I wanted (better say I needed ) to switch back to mantra DM. In the meantime, I had started reading some books on self inquiry and non duality (such as 'I am that' from Nisargadatta Maharaj), and also viewed some videos from Francis Lucille on the internet. These guys were teaching more or less a 'do nothing' meditation, just be there, settling in an 'I am' stance ... So one day I started meditating as this, trying just to be here and now, with no intention, just feelings and thoughts.
After a while (few minutes ?) I started thinking very slowly 'I am' in French (my native language), then I switched softly to the English I am (AYAM) thinking, repeating it slowly. When the clock jingled 20 mn, I felt really good and quiet. So I remembered the first lesson on DM which says as follows:
"Once you have gotten comfortable, slowly close your eyes. You will notice thoughts, streams of thoughts. That is fine. Just observe them without minding them. After about a minute, gently introduce the thought …I AM… and begin to repeat it easily and effortlessly in your mind."
Here we are ! When meditating every day during the previous 4 months, I finally forgot the basic instructions, and started repeating I AM very shortly after sitting, in a kind of clunky fashion I guess. And I suspect this made the symptoms appearing (tickling in the forefront and pressure in the head). I have been doing DM with I AM mantra for 2 or 3 days now, following the above basic instructions carefully, and I seems to be OK. The feeling is very different from the past. I know 2 or 3 days may be too short to be sure of it, and maybe the current situation is jus a consequence of the one week break with breath meditation, but I wanted to share this right now, while it is clear in my mind.
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Christi
United Kingdom
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Posted - Apr 03 2014 : 06:13:38 AM
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Hi Dofa,
Glad to hear things are going well. |
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Horst
Austria
30 Posts |
Posted - May 24 2014 : 07:19:05 AM
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Hello,
I can confirm that a relaxed mind helps me too. I start off with the breath awareness meditation and when I feel ready (sometimes I don't feel ready at all, but sometimes after 5 or 10 mins), I change to the Mantra. Always keeping in mind to relax the brain. And I also pause inbetween the repetions and relax into the silence. In this way, I can still practice deep meditation despite my over-sensitivity. In case of any doubts whether tensions build up, I'd rather stay with the breath awareness which in itself is a powerful tool.
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dofa66
France
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Posted - May 25 2014 : 1:18:32 PM
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Hi,
Thank you Horst for giving us a feedback after this 2 months period. On my side, after 6 to 7 months of continuous DM, I gave a try to a different method for 2 weeks only, and got significant results with it. I have created a different topic in the right section here : http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic....=14371#14371 |
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kriyaboy
USA
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Posted - Jun 25 2014 : 1:05:34 PM
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the full mantra as it includes the "shree" sound (sometimes written as "sri"). It is a mantra designed to activate the crown chakra
I am very curious how you have determined that. Is it something you read or is it based on your own experience? |
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Christi
United Kingdom
4514 Posts |
Posted - Jun 25 2014 : 2:55:17 PM
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Hi Kriyaboy,
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I am very curious how you have determined that. Is it something you read or is it based on your own experience?
It is based on my own experience. I am able to perceive the prana flowing in the body, so I can determine how different mantras work to a certain extent and which chakras they activate. When the crown is beginning to open, the SHREE mantra will send a small trickle of prana up into the crown each time it is intoned inwardly. The deeper the silence of the mind, the more pronounced this will be. As the crown opens more fully and begins to dissolve, this process becomes less obvious, but it is still happening.
Yogani also mentions the way the SHREE mantra activates the crown in lesson 188.
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dofa66
France
46 Posts |
Posted - Jun 26 2014 : 07:31:28 AM
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Hi,
I'm back after one month on this thread. As indicated in my last post above I had tested another meditation technique but then I switched back to DM with the AYAM mantra partly due to wise comments from you Christi !
Unfortunately, despite the adjustments explained earlier in this thread, I rapidly experienced over-sensitiveness symptoms again. So I am now switching back to the other technique I mentioned, fully explained in this book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/18...N=1899324003
I will try to stick on this one long enough this time and keep you posted.
All the best to you all |
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kriyaboy
USA
28 Posts |
Posted - Jun 26 2014 : 10:06:49 AM
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It is based on my own experience. ...
Yogani also mentions the way the SHREE mantra activates the crown in lesson 188.
I hope I will be able to feel the effects of mantras one day, then perhaps I won't need to ask such questions any longer.
I did go back and reread that lesson and Yogani did indeed mention it there. I must have read that several times previously. I suppose that shows the importance of review.
Since you seem to have a good understanding of the effect of mantras, there is another thing that has been puzzling me for some time about the I AM mantra. That same lesson seems to suggest it has its origin in Sanskrit.
But as best I can tell, the vowel in AM is not a Sanskrit vowel. It is the vowel that is phonetically represented as æ. As vowels go, I think it is one of the most unpleasant sounds--like a baby crying.
Having always been interested in linguistics, I have found it curious how that vowel sound is so predominate in American English compared to British English. For example, the American pronunciation of dance compared to the British.
Having done TM for many years, I have always chosen to continue with my TM mantra, which although similar definitely does not have the æ vowel sound.
Any thoughts on the importance of the vowel sounds?
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Christi
United Kingdom
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Posted - Jun 26 2014 : 11:05:32 AM
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Hi Kriyaboy,
All the mantras used in AYP are Sanskrit words. I AM can be written as Ayam and has the same pronunciation. Ayam in Sanskrit means "this" and has a short "a" vowel. You are right that Sanskrit does not have an "ae" vowel, so it is Ayam rhyming with "ham".
Here is the audio for the full mantra:
To me it sounds like a short "a" vowel, but if you can hear an "ae" vowel that could be simply because Yogani has an American accent.
Christi
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kensbikes100
USA
192 Posts |
Posted - Jun 27 2014 : 10:59:00 PM
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Originally posted by dofa66
Hi,
I'm back after one month on this thread. As indicated in my last post above I had tested another meditation technique but then I switched back to DM with the AYAM mantra partly due to wise comments from you Christi !
Unfortunately, despite the adjustments explained earlier in this thread, I rapidly experienced over-sensitiveness symptoms again. So I am now switching back to the other technique I mentioned, fully explained in this book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/18...N=1899324003
I will try to stick on this one long enough this time and keep you posted.
All the best to you all
Dear Dofa66,
I've just discovered your thread and would like to make a suggestion. I have about 6 months experience with DM and about 15 years experience with TM, none with other forms of meditation. But I do have experience learning to manage my sleep and just a few other aspects of life.
With your over-sensitivity symptoms, I think of sleep. Are you getting enough? I found that meditation makes me more relaxed, and gives energy when I am not fatigued. When I am fatigued I have odd and uncomfortable head sensations like your pounding and heart beat synchronization. When rested it comes and goes but can be gone for weeks, until due to some reason I become again short on sleep.
I've also found that sporadic hunger (for example missing meals due to a very challenging work day) can change meditation, and not for the better.
I can't tell you how to eat or sleep better, I'm just suggesting that your meditation could be just fine, and some more common-sense matters may be involved.
Meditation has made me more aware of when I'm not doing something right. |
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dofa66
France
46 Posts |
Posted - Jun 28 2014 : 01:40:54 AM
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Hi kensbikes100,
Sorry but, as a meditation newbie, I don't know what TM stands for  .
But for the rest, maybe you hit the bull's eye ! Actually I am sleeping very bad at the moment, and have short nights. Eating is OK. However, the only way I know to sleep better is to reduce my stress level, and the only way I know to achieve this is to meditate daily. So I am trying meditation technique alternatives to escape from this vicious circle !
Should I manage to get rested enough (during my summer holidays at least), maybe I will give a try back to DM just to see...
Thank you for sharing your xp. |
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kensbikes100
USA
192 Posts |
Posted - Jun 28 2014 : 07:09:57 AM
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dofa66, you are welcome!
TM is Transcendental Meditation, a type of meditation taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I don't know when he started to teach it, but I took training in practicing it around 1970 when I was at university. It was (and is) expensive, but then it was very low for students. There were a lot of famous practitioners. The Beatles, many other pop culture icons, and another young student, Jerry Seinfeld. At my small college probably 60 of us (out of 100) took the training and sometimes meditated together.
Maharishi (and his trainers) said it was handed down to him from ancient traditions. I'm not a scholar in the field and cannot critique or support his claim. But it has become a big business with a high entry fee, so I think they are having trouble finding new trainees today.
Much of the process is quite similar to DM. The mantras are different, and we have had discussions on the Forum about how it is not interchangeable. I've nearly fully switched to Ayem, but I think the TM mantra is a part of me and will never completely go away. I still hear it from time to time.
There are many other differences from AYP. While the TM organization makes other techniques available, it does not appear to be as extensive as what AYP offers, by a large margin. And everything TM offers carries a very significant fee. |
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