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gentlep
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 Posted - Jul 06 2007 : 2:17:00 PM
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| Does anyone have 24hr ecstatic conductivity? Sometimes I feel nice sensation in the head and some areas of the spine during the practice. Sometimes it stays a bit longer after that. It would be nice to feel like that all the time. Is it possible? |
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Richard
United Kingdom
857 Posts |
Posted - Jul 06 2007 : 2:40:50 PM
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Hi gentlep,
Yes I am the stage now that when I put my attention an any area of the spine I get that sensation there.
You have to be careful with this it can become to intense ...like your whole spine is on fire...time for careful self pacing.
I can also go through periods where I don't seem to feel anything at all so then its time to beef practices up a bit, self pacing works both ways.  |
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gentlep
USA
114 Posts |
Posted - Jul 06 2007 : 3:12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Richard
Hi gentlep,...time for careful self pacing.
Why self pace when it feels good? |
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Richard
United Kingdom
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AYPforum
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Posted - Jul 06 2007 : 3:46:49 PM
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yogibear
409 Posts |
Posted - Jul 07 2007 : 7:58:48 PM
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Hi gentlep,
I am getting it now. I like to think of ecstatic conductivity as getting in touch with your inner orgasmatron  (If you ever saw the Woody Allen movie, Sleeper, you know what I mean. And if you haven't, it is a good comedy if you want a good laugh). But seriously, anytime I put my attention in the body, it is there. If my attention is involved in some task I forget about it. Right now I feel it, especially in the reproductive region and forehead. Actually, I feel it everywhere. It is not overly intense but it is steadily increasing. Brahmacharya, to me, is the foundation for the development of it. Of course, all the mudras, bandhas, meditation, spinal breathing, well, what can you say, it all works together as you know. It covers all the bases. Plugging up all the holes so there are no energy leaks is foundational. It provides the magic ingredient.
Interestingly, tomorrow will be the 31st anniversary (to bad it wasn’t 1977) of the first time I experienced a particular manifestation of ectstatic conductivity. I didn't have a well developed concept of it at the time, just knew that it was energy and that it made me feel really good. Now I have a better frame of reference (a continual work in progress which interaction with and input from all the participants on this forum really helps to improve) with which to understand things and keep them in perspective. I remember when it first happened because of all the sevens and thought the correlation was interesting. At that time, I would practice intently concentrating on my heart for 10 minutes every morning, preceded by 7 reps of spinal breathing (it is still all I do), 2 or 3 other pranayamas and 3 or 4 asanas. After words I would lie down for 10 minutes to relax. So almost the same basic frame work as AYP. Then one morning and it happened to be on the 7th day of the 7th week that I started practicing, which also happened to be July 7th, my body disappeared into what I would describe as like the snow you see on your TV set when the channel goes off the air. The only thing I could feel of my body was the pressure of my palms on my knees and my beating heart. Everything else dissolved into this energy field. I would call it a prana bath. I got to where I could reproduce this every 2-3 times I practiced.
Not a major experience but interesting nonetheless.
I don't seem to be able to recreate that presently. Must be out of shape. I don’t experience anything as intense as what Richard is referring to. Just very pleasant buzzing and tingling pleasure particles. Like 3D TV snow. No loss of body awareness.
With regards to self pacing, last weekend everything was squeezing, the forehead furrowing and the eyes rolling up and it seemed like I was going to launch out of my forehead. But my meditation period was up so I stopped. I figured that was enough and that I would wait to let that happen during a future meditation period and develop into whatever experience it would be. No hurry. I am happy with where I am at and I am confident that constant practice will produce many interesting experiences, all in good time and I can enjoy them as they occur. No need to rush.
Now, it seems to be every where, top and bottom and out in my hands and feet. I started to get serious about this again right about the time I discovered AYP. I was homing in on what had given me my initial success. Also, I was interested khechari so AYP was one of the internet hits I got from my search. You know, I searched khechari before and for some reason never noticed the AYP links. After exchanging a couple emails with Yogani, it snapped into place. I finally got my priorities straight again. Now I understand it in a way I didn't understand it before. Guess I am a bit slow for it to sink in. Now my purpose is settled. It was always there but the focus needed a little adjusting; it is more on target now. The indispensible basics of spiritual athletics, meditation and spinal breathing twice per day no matter what.
Thanks again, Yogani. Salutations, adorations, and prostrations unto you, O great un-guru.
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gentlep
USA
114 Posts |
Posted - Jul 07 2007 : 10:11:55 PM
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| Thanks for sharing Richard and Yogibear. Now is it possible to lose it if you stop practicing or will it be like learing bicycling. Once you get it you will never forget it. |
Edited by - gentlep on Jul 07 2007 10:52:16 PM |
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Richard
United Kingdom
857 Posts |
Posted - Jul 08 2007 : 07:33:23 AM
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Ha Ha why would you WANT to stop practicing.
When you have Ecstatic Conductivity and inner silence nothing on this earth would make you want to stop practicing.
If for some reason you were forced to stop I don't think it would make any difference. once Shakti is awakened she ain't going to go back to sleep again  |
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yogibear
409 Posts |
Posted - Jul 08 2007 : 08:45:14 AM
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gentlep,
It is my experience that if you don't practice bramacharya it will go away. And if you practice again, it will return.
Look what happened to Samson when Delilah cut his hair. The story is actually symbolic. Samson's spiritual power flowed from him like long hair (his radiance). It was the source of his strength. When he indulged in excessive sex with Delilah, i.e., when she cut his hair, he lost all of his strength and he was thrown into prison and blinded. He again conserved his creative power and his hair grew long again and his strength returned.
This is the interpretation of the symbolic meaning of this story from the book Sexual Energy and Yoga by Elisabeth Haich. |
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gentlep
USA
114 Posts |
Posted - Jul 08 2007 : 1:52:03 PM
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Originally posted by Richard
Ha Ha why would you WANT to stop practicing.
But isn't that what the ultimate goal of yoga is i.e. stop all the efforts and not do anything. |
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gentlep
USA
114 Posts |
Posted - Jul 08 2007 : 1:54:05 PM
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Originally posted by yogibear
gentlep,
It is my experience that if you don't practice bramacharya it will go away. And if you practice again, it will return.
What kind of brahmacharya do you practice yogibear? celibacy or tantric sex? |
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yogibear
409 Posts |
Posted - Jul 08 2007 : 6:07:59 PM
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Both, gentlp, depending on my situation. At times, I have been celibate. At other times I have been tantric.
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anthony574
USA
549 Posts |
Posted - Jul 08 2007 : 8:41:20 PM
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| haven't we all...if only it were up to us :) |
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Christi
United Kingdom
4514 Posts |
Posted - Jul 11 2007 : 08:42:59 AM
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Hi Gentlep,
I also get ecstatic conductivity pretty much whenever I want it, and often even when I don't ask for it, it's there anyway. But it isn't 24/7 yet. I don't get it when I'm asleep. except on the rare occasion when I remain conscious all night.
Sometimes I cannot practice because of commitments to work and childcare (I have 2 small children), and then it does go away. And sometimes I mess up with my tantric sex and then it goes away too.
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emc
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Posted - Jul 11 2007 : 6:27:06 PM
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I find it very hard to know what ecstatic conductivity is. The way you experience it seems to be so dependent on your reference frame. I mean the buzzing of energies like yogibear describes like "Just very pleasant buzzing and tingling pleasure particles. Like 3D TV snow" I can relate to. I can not relate to Kirtanmans "zillion times better than you could ever imagine" followed by a long howl  . Are both expressions of ecstatic energy only in different doses? Or do we have different reference frames? Are all energy sensations the ecstatic conductivity showing up? Strange if that is so - it would drain the word ecstatic of its meaning, IMHO.
I have not experienced anything extraordinary pleasurable although I'm very sensitive to energies overall. I wouldn't say I have felt any ecstatic whatsoever until I can describe it as "a zillion billion times better than I ever imagined it". |
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yogibear
409 Posts |
Posted - Jul 11 2007 : 11:51:57 PM
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Hi emc,
Here is a good link regarding ec:
http://www.aypsite.org/258.html
I can't relate to Kirtanman's ec yet either. However, it is my intention to be able to asap.
My ec is very low voltage at present but there is no doubt that it is ec, in my mind.
I practice 3x per day usually.
The midday practice is usually just deep relaxation for 15-20 minutes before lunch. What I focus on when I lie down is my pelvic region and the ec is there. It is pleasurable in a sexual way. Then I spread my awareness out to the hands and feet, abdomen and chest, spine and head and it is there. The pelvis seems like a fountain sometimes. The intensity and behavior of the ec varies from day to day and practice to practice.
For example, today my hard palette was prickling and buzzing pleasurably and I have never felt it there before. There wasn't much to speak of at the septum but there was in the forehead.
Sometimes when I am dozing off it will explode and snap me back. One time it was like 4th of July in my abdomen, another time in my heart and another time in my brain.
Yesterday during meditation all of a sudden I felt it in the brain and my concentration immediately improved. So I get little stuff like this pretty routinely and I always look forward to what it will be like each practice.
Hatha yoga really seems to enhance it in my case. I really enjoy relaxation because of this after the poses.
emc, I think your idea that it comes in varying doses is correct. I think that it has to do with the condition of the individual practitioner's nervous system, their karma and their bhakti.
I have asked myself alot of times if this is just fantasy on my part, or if it is something else, but every time I think that, it does something to prove me wrong. So that, combined with studying and reading on the subject so that I can accurately label and understand what I experience makes me pretty convinced that it is ec.
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I wouldn't say I have felt any ecstatic whatsoever until I can describe it as "a zillion billion times better than I ever imagined it".
Got it, emc. That is fine.
To me, it is a very low degree of ec. Maybe we can just call it pc, pleasurable conductivity. That is good enough for me. It is definitely at least that. What ever you want to call it, it feels pretty darn good. It is just a matter of degree, from my frame of reference. It is a preview of coming attractions.
I will take it over drugs any day, that is for sure.
Best wishes, yb.
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emc
2072 Posts |
Posted - Jul 12 2007 : 05:15:47 AM
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Yogibear, nice of you to share so much of your expriences!
I really wonder though and repeat my question: Are all energy sensations the ecstatic conductivity showing up?
I wouldn't say that is so because in that case I could be said to have a low dose ec constantly present at least during my awake hours. I feel lots of energies all the time, from trains or cars, trees, stones, things, persons... no ecstacy whatsoever, though. Totally neutral energies. I would not call that ec.
Can you get used to ec so that the feeling of it diminishes? Some say that you only feel energies (tingeling, buzz etc) when there's friction. Blockages creates energy sensations. If you have no sense of them anylonger - how would you know they're there? |
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yogibear
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Posted - Jul 12 2007 : 08:55:50 AM
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I wouldn't say that is so because in that case I could be said to have a low dose ec constantly present at least during my awake hours. I feel lots of energies all the time, from trains or cars, trees, stones, things, persons... no ecstacy whatsoever, though. Totally neutral energies. I would not call that ec.
I know what you mean about outside energy and I don't experience any pleasure from that, either. So I wouldn't label it ec.
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Can you get used to ec so that the feeling of it diminishes? Some say that you only feel energies (tingeling, buzz etc) when there's friction. Blockages creates energy sensations. If you have no sense of them anylonger - how would you know they're there?
I don't know, emc. From what I read here at AYP, the ec is the result of the friction you are talking about, the purification process. But then Yogani says it keeps getting more and more as in people like Ramakrishna.
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Ecstasy on the neuro-biological level is inner energy coursing through neurological obstructions. In fact, ecstasy is the pleasant version of kundalini awakening, as opposed to the unpleasant version, which is too much energy going through too much obstruction.
It should also be emphasized that divine ecstasy is progressive, leading to higher states, and ultimately to enlightenment as the merging with inner silence occurs. This is the merging described in the metaphors of the religions -- shiva and shakti, father and holy ghost, yin and yang, etc.
AYP Lesson 258 http://www.aypsite.org/258.html
Sounds awe fully good to me.
Best, yb. |
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gentlep
USA
114 Posts |
Posted - Jul 12 2007 : 10:21:24 AM
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I agree with yogibear. I don't know what ecstatic means either. It's pleasurable conductivity for sure. But for me it's only somedays sometime. I would like it to be more but then I also wonder if it is just obstructions then it won't last. What good is that?
What I feel is more like you feel when you soup up a glass of ice cold juice through a straw suddenly. How the head and and spine suddenly buzz up. That's what I feel, in different degrees. |
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yogani
USA
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Posted - Jul 12 2007 : 10:45:22 AM
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Hi All:
When the resistance (friction) is gone, or even becoming much less, ecstasy is revealed to be the unending outpouring of divine love. This is also stillness in action.
The guru is in you.
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gentlep
USA
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Posted - Jul 12 2007 : 12:56:08 PM
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Originally posted by yogani
Hi All:
When the resistance (friction) is gone, or even becoming much less, ecstasy is revealed to be the unending outpouring of divine love.
Is the ecstasy mentioned here is a physical sensation or not? |
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yogani
USA
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Posted - Jul 12 2007 : 1:20:19 PM
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Originally posted by gentlep
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Originally posted by yogani
Hi All:
When the resistance (friction) is gone, or even becoming much less, ecstasy is revealed to be the unending outpouring of divine love.
Is the ecstasy mentioned here is a physical sensation or not?
Hi Gentlep:
Yes, physical, but by decreasing degrees over time (see the lessons on "automatic yoga and physical movements" in the topic index, which are analogous).
Maybe when the energy moved before, we jumped in our chair with a surge of pleasure. Later on, when the energy moves, we may not jump, and the love just pours out. So instead of lurching in ecstasy, we will go help someone, which feels even better.
Expansion of ecstatic divine love feels good (an understatement), and it never ends, reaching far beyond the confines of our body. We are emerging channels for that.
The sensations of physicality with inner energy moving can be compared to water moving through a partially obstructed pipe, which is gradually becoming clear. The degree of obstruction will determine the nature of the sensation. Same water, different levels of obstruction (resistance/friction) yielding different flows. Same divine love, different degrees of sensation and manifestation as purification and opening advance.
The guru is in you.
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Christi
United Kingdom
4514 Posts |
Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 09:18:02 AM
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Hi EMC
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I really wonder though and repeat my question: Are all energy sensations the ecstatic conductivity showing up?
I experienced prana flowing for many years without it being at all ecstatic. It would make my body shake. This often happened when I was clam and relaxed, and would make my body jolt, or shake all over. It was especially embarrassing when it happened in public. Whilst making love my whole body would shake the whole time.
That all started many years ago, maybe 15 years ago, I can't really remember. It was not until a lot of purification had happened that I started to feel the movement of prana as pleasurable, maybe 5 years ago. And then later, maybe 2 years ago, as ecstatic.
Now at times it is so intensely ecstatic that I find it difficult to walk. It feels like I am experiencing an orgasm throughout my body which lasts for hours. But that doesn't happen often, and I'm getting better able to cope with that.
So yes, it all comes in degrees, and takes time. I didn't feel any pleasurable sensations from prana moving until after my heart chakra had been open a while. I am now experiencing the way that ecstasy dissolves into divine love. It is absolutely remarkable, and a joy to witness. (And great fun to play around with. )
Christi
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emc
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Posted - Jul 21 2007 : 06:05:29 AM
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Christi,
I adore your way of writing! I am so grateful for your direct and open way of sharing! This is what I learn most from, direct reports on personal experience, not theoretical reasoning. It confirmes so much for me, and helps me put pieces together (just in order to get them smashed into chaos again of course, but for the moment the clarity is wonderful)!
Thank you for being bold, straight and honest! |
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Christi
United Kingdom
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Posted - Jul 25 2007 : 09:21:06 AM
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Hi EMC
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Christi,
I adore your way of writing! I am so grateful for your direct and open way of sharing! This is what I learn most from, direct reports on personal experience, not theoretical reasoning. It confirmes so much for me, and helps me put pieces together (just in order to get them smashed into chaos again of course, but for the moment the clarity is wonderful)!
Thank you for being bold, straight and honest!
You're very welcome, although I must say, you are an example to us all when it comes to open and honest sharing!
Actually that's one of the things that drew me to AYP, because it is so clear and matter of fact about the process of awakening and the methods to get there. |
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Kyman
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Posted - Jul 25 2007 : 10:54:44 AM
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My mantra is becoming ecstatic, haha. I swear, most of my life I was very introverted, so my voice wasn't used as much as my mind. My voice has always been very soft and shy. But over time my neck muscles have built up from maintaining proper alignment, the inside of the neck has been transformed by kheckari, and repeating the mantra has deepened the range of my voice to an astonishing degree. Relatively speaking, of course.
So all my life I have envied singers who could flood the world with emotion and beauty through the voice. Just recently in my I AM mantra the entire utterance slowly becomes a melodious hum, and through it a surging emotional declaration.
This is how I am experiencing ecstatic energy in the throat and heart region. I heard the aum clearly as the I AM traversed the most high of my vocal cords through the heart on to the low. My entire body quaked with frequency and vibration. In the shower, I the water was like liquid like purifying my being as is rolled over and through me. I just stumbled into in the shower one day, and was once again complete beside myself at the effects of yoga. And a definite heart opening occurred with it, the typical symptoms were there. I have never been so moved through my voice, so hung upon the spirit through song.
Ecstatic energy does indeed express itself in many ways, as many structures there are in the body. From dreams to the normal every day feeling-sense we use to navigate the day.
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