en-us Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:05:20 +0200 aypforum99@aypsite.org 60 AYP Support Forums http://www.aypsite.org/forum/ AYP Support Forums http://www.aypsite.org/forum/ http://www.aypsite.org/forum/aum2asmall.jpg AYP Support Forums RSS Feed 71 43 The Crow emc@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7407&REPLY_ID=65983 Satsang Cafe - General Questions on AYP Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:56:57 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7407 Quote:
Great to hear, manigma! Crows are sometimes our best teachers! ]]> my experinces raja@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7418 Kundalini - Inner Energy Ecstasy Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:47:51 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7418
I am practising chakra meditation; some of my experinces are;

1. I experince sudden release of energy from my lower abdoment not always say once a month. The engery that gets released will move downwards to my foot. I feel as though i dont have legs
only at that moment later say after 2 - 3 hours i can see whole body filled with energy and movements and crown chakra also filled with energy.
This effect will be there for say a week and then it settels down until next time; During this period I'll have lot of hunger and want to eat a lot.

2. My breath is becoming slow and deep day by day on its own. I feel cooling/freezing sensation in my nostrils junction. and light energy movements in my body.

Thanks
Raja]]> mantra's leading vs dharana->dhyana Katrine@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7413&REPLY_ID=65979 Support for AYP Deep Meditation and Samyama Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:13:42 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7413 Quote:
Hi kaserdar

quote:
This makes me thing if getting into the silence via mantra's leading quality and going through dharana->dhyana states to reach it are the same things. Could you please explain this?



Yes....
In Deep Meditation there is first concentration on an object....we gently come back to the mantra I AM every time we notice that we are off it. This is dharana.

Then....when taken by the mantra (or led by it, as you call it).....when falling deeply inwards with its resonance....there is dissolving of the object (we "lose" the mantra). This is dhyana.

In the gap that follows (this gap increases with consistent daily meditation sessions and eventually spreads to all of life)....before coming back out with thoughts, emotions, sensations or images...... there is absorbtion in inner silence. This is Samadhi.



]]> Out of Body Experience karl@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7395&REPLY_ID=65977 Satsang Cafe - General Questions on AYP Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:40:30 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7395 Quote:
I had an out of body experience when I was about 14. Picked up my Mums Carlos Castenada book which had a technique. You were supposed to ground a limb in a bowl of water first.

So, thinking it was just another load of spiritualist rubbish I experimented and forgot about the bowl of water. The upshot is that I had the sensation of being out of my body for a brief moment and it scared me, I definitely didn't like it, never tried it.]]> prayer thoughts! Katrine@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7417&REPLY_ID=65978 Illuminated Poetry, Quotations and Stories Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:38:38 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7417 Quote:
Beautiful Nandhi

Gratitude and inspiration
Silence and emptiful presence


Blessedly played each moment

A U M]]> Kamal Jumblat Quotes Ananda@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=5856&REPLY_ID=65976 Illuminated Poetry, Quotations and Stories Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:08:19 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5856 Quote:
my longing and love for this master are infinite...

i've stumbled again into this topic Kirtanman, and i have to thank you again from the bottom of my heart... i am really grateful brother(H)

namaste]]> "Levels" & Models of Enlightened Consciousness Tibetan_Ice@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=6742&REPLY_ID=65972 Enlightenment Milestones Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:45:35 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6742 Quote:
quote:
Originally posted by Richvtx1800

Interesting forum/topic. I have been meditating awhile and am prone to having experiences, but don't know how to interpret most of them.
My most recent one I found on the net and it is exactly what happened to me. I would be very interested to know what you guys think of this because you sound very polished.

In October of 2009 I decided once again it was time to step up my meditation practice. I started with an apple detox, eating a minimum of 6 apples a day and drinking 100 ounces of spring water. This always seems to get me into a higher gear as I prepare to do a personal spiritual retreat at home. Combined with no TV, Radio, Music, or Media of any kind. Like running in to me instead of away from me. I started with two 1 hour periods of meditation a day.
I have recently adapted to what is called the Egyptian chair pose, instead of using cushions on the floor. Sitting in a chair with back erect but not against the back of the chair, because I do not want to pinch even sightly the channels where energy flows up the spine.
I decided on a new form of meditation for me, which was coming intuitively. Just sit do not move a finger, an eyelid, a toe or in other words no movement allowed as if someone had a gun to my head and said if you move your dead. I found this helps focusing because you then are not aware of anything other than your thoughts, because that is all that can move.
Now thoughts are like guests they check in and they check out, so what I am looking for are the spaces in between those guests. It is imperative that I do not use any negative terms to add to the energy of those DAMN THOUGHTS, I'M THINKING AGAIN.
In a few days I notice, hey I'm empty, my body feels like a hollow statue and there is this total awareness of everything but not one thought in my brain, this feels unique, and then there was bliss. My thinking busy mind had stopped totally,completely and there was a big presence aware of the totality of me that could see the little presence that was what I was before this moment.
A few days later, a repeat of the same experience brought me to a dot that turned into a star, that I followed into swirling black hole, where I would experience short visits into different dimensions.
A few days later again I was through the black hole and in a cave where J.C. was standing. This was my first feelings of why? I did not expect to see him because I was not looking for him. Key=no expectations.
The next day there he was again in the cave but pointing his left arm to an exit into the light. The synchronicity for the next week was almost a comedy, I would wake up in the morning, with something on my mind and the phone would ring and that person would start a conversation about what was on my mind. This was only happening all day long for about a week. I decided I better ground myself a bit so I went out and had a cheeseburger, it worked, things went back to normal.
Since then I had the urge to turn into a vegetarian, and went to 2 hours, then 3 and now 4 hours day of meditation a day. I had a hard time tracking down an experience such as this but I found it. It appears to be a marked spot on the path in a lot of meditation paths the Taoists call it the "Crystal Cave" and the Hindus call it the "Cave Of Brahma" etc, but you pass though the black hole to get there. And this is what that means.
"The brain becomes like a temple where the Enlightenment consciousness awakens. This awakening of Enlightenment is seated in the pineal gland, the Cave of Brahma, the House of God, where the Enlightened state is activated and anchored. That means that this state of Enlightenment now becomes permanent, and you can begin to experience God as both form and formless. You may also realize that you have never been separate from the Great Mahavakya, I AM THAT I AM. Even though your mind and emotions may appear separate, you begin to realize that no one can ever really separate themselves from Spirit."
a quote by
Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath
see a video of this experience at
http://whoheals.com/evolution-of-the-brain/


Hi Rich :)
Thank you for this post. I really enjoyed reading it.
Glad to read that you met Jesus too.
I didn't know you had to pass through the black hole to get to the cave of Brahmin. I have never merged into the light but I see the light all the time above my head. There is a cave right below it, behind the third eye light. Perhaps if I were to merge into the light then I would go through the black hole first. I will have to try that.
It is encouraging to read about your extended meditation times and the Egyptian chair pose.

Thanks again for relating your experiences!

:)
TI]]> More books for non duality ? Kirtanman@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7294&REPLY_ID=65969 Jnana Yoga/Self-Inquiry - Advaita (Non-Duality) Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:27:48 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7294 Quote:
quote:
Originally posted by karl

Thanks again Kirtanman. Bought the book and have already found it to a great help. Love the bit about the 'superior' man, it definitely resonates


Hi Karl,

You're very welcome! I actually missed your responses until today; my apologies
.. and I'm very happy to hear that my post was helpful!

Wholeheartedly,

Kirtanman

]]> resting and moving from stillness JDH@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7414&REPLY_ID=65967 Support for AYP Deep Meditation and Samyama Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:58:17 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7414 Quote:
We end our practices with samyama, releasing subtle thoughts into stillness. At least when I started samyama, I had the observation that the sutras were being "digested" by the stillness, or the other way around. There was a mixis. Stillness and meaning counteract each other and samyama is the clash. But doesn't samyama also encompass any stillness we have out in daily life, any and all stillness in action? Then practicing on the sutras seems like doing weight lifting with a stick instead of a barbell with weights on it. No doubt that starting out small is appropriate. But I'm wondering if coming out of samyama into daily activity is one of the best opportunities to practice moving stillness in the storm of energy that is our daily life. If we have reached stillness in meditation, and stillness in action is our goal, why not go to stillness and literally start moving.]]> Any AYPers in SoCal/LongBeach? Jivaakabhasana_Yogi@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7416 Satsang Cafe - General Questions on AYP Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:57:56 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7416
Just wondering if there are any practicing AYP in the Los Angeles/Long Beach area?

Regards,
~Jivaakabhasana_Yogi]]> Is practicing 2 different Mantra meditations good? gentlep@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=4786&REPLY_ID=65965 Support for AYP Deep Meditation and Samyama Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:21:59 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4786 Quote:
I am sure coleslaaw was talking about attracting the tings of desire, not the desire itself. There has been a lot of talk about "kleem" and that chanting it would manifest things, relationships etc. In my experience, it doesn't seem to work. Anyone has different experience or any thoughts on this?]]> You are the Self Balance@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7415 Illuminated Poetry, Quotations and Stories Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:34:56 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7415 Always remember deep in your heart that all is well and everything is unfolding as it should. There are no mistakes anywhere, at any time. What appears to be wrong is simply your own false imagination. That's all. You are the Self, that perfect immutable Self. Nothing else exists. Nothing else ever existed. Nothing else will ever exist. There is only one Self and you are That. Rejoice!

-- Robert Adams]]> Samyama Healing Recipients: Marcelo, Ananda AYPforum@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1565 Member Announcements - Events, Classes & Retreats Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:20:33 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1565 Quote:
]]> feeling energy during common cold kaserdar@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7412 Kundalini - Inner Energy Ecstasy Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:03:35 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7412
I'm currently having a common cold which is not so heavy and symptoms are light. Interesting thing is that i feel more energetic than normal, there is some kind of energy vibrating in my body and somehow i feel more love and more emotional:)
Any explanation for this? Do you experience the same? Happened to me three times in a row last two years.

Thank you]]> Khecari Vidya PhD Thesis by James Mallinson yogani@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7401&REPLY_ID=65958 Books, Web Sites, Audio, Video, etc. Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:46:11 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7401 Quote:
Hi Alwayson:

Upon inquiry, Jim Mallinson ("flying fakir" in the forums) replied with this:
--------------------------

Thanks for alerting me to this. I had in fact come across the thesis on scribd a while ago. I'm happy for people to download it, but I'd like to alert them to the fact that there are significant improvements in the published book - hundreds of corrections/changes, improvements to the typesetting, Sanskrit in Devanagari, and, perhaps most usefully, an index. At £85 or whatever it was for sale for, I didn't expect anyone other than libraries to buy it, but I've just discovered that Routledge are about to release a paperback edition for £22.50. Indica books in Varanasi are also about to publish an Indian paperback edition, which should retail for about 500 Rs. Khecari-mudra-practising insomniacs might find it easier to take a book to bed with them to help them sleep rather than a pdf!

All the best,

Jim

]]> Taming a wild Horse SeySorciere@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7398&REPLY_ID=65956 Support for AYP Pranayama, Mudras and Bandhas Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:32:19 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7398 Quote:
Thank you Manigma - that is beautiful.

Christi - you are right! I came across it later in the asanas where it is listed as a posture but in the linked page, it was more than that. Like Yogani says , it can mean a whole series of practices in other systems(?)

Thanks again
]]> What do You See? SeySorciere@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7410 Satsang Cafe - General Questions on AYP Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:22:31 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7410
Yogani talks of seeing the end of the spinal nerve (the star) and introvertion of the senses. I'm not altogether sure what the latter involves. I am looking for "guide-lines" to understand if my third eye is opened or not. I've realised I may not know the symptons and looking for "the star"

]]> Automatic Yoga / Asanas manigma@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7409 Asanas - Postures and Physical Culture Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:12:13 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7409
A lot of you report experiencing automatic/spontaneous asanas during meditation.

Its been over 3 years I am doing meditation and I have done a lot of asanas automatically. These asanas occur in a state when I am beyond mind/ego. No me, only awareness and a great energy working on me.

If anyone has read the novel '2001:A Space Odyssey'. One can relate this phenomenon with the cube teaching the apes.

Here is a list of asanas that happened automatically to me so far:

Dwi Pada (My first asana: did this with my Dad's help. Legs tied behind my neck, folded hands/namaskar in front of the forehead/third eye.)
Bakasana
Pincha Mayurasana
Tittibhasana/Bhujapidasana
Purvottanasana
Adho Mukha Vrksasana
Halasana
Salamba Sarvangasana
Salamba Sirsasana
Ustrasana
Bitilasana
Urdhva Mukha Svanasana
Dhanurasana
Ananda Balasana
Karna
Setu
Baddha Konasana
Paripurna Navasana
Dwi Pada Dandasana / Viparita Dandasana
Ardha Matsyendrasana
Virasana
Simhasana
Vrschikasana (Did this today for the first time.)

Maybe few other also that I have forgotten. Not to mention several automatic hand mudras, bandhas, breath control/alterations etc.

My reason for posting this topic is just to let those people know who have an experience with automatic yoga.... Its grace. You are blessed.

You are growing/evolving! The seed is becoming the tree. The divine has heard your prayers. Your tears have not gone waste. Your bhakti is flowering. You are pregnant with you.

Thanks
Mani (of the mind/ego)

PS: This link will also be helpful: http://www.messagefrommasters.com/P...ahamudra.htm]]> blocking the thoughts meditation manigma@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7371&REPLY_ID=65950 Other Systems and Alternate Approaches Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:11:05 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7371 Quote:
quote:
Originally posted by boris

quote:
Originally posted by manigma

quote:
Originally posted by boris

but of all the methods I have tried,I think bolcking the thoughts with much concentration is the meditation that gives the most powerfull results in shortest time.

Have you observed your breathing alters/slows down immediately when you do this?


yes,breathing slows down.But it is important to not thightening the head and the mind when you concentrate on blocking the thoughts.I find that thightening of the mind when you concentrate will not help,but the opposite.
To learn to block the thoughts with a relaxed mind is a key factor to succeed with this method I belive.

You see? The slower the breathing... lesser the thoughts.

You can either concetrate on stoping the thoughts or slow down your breathing. Its the same thing.

Breathing has to be slowed down... very slow. (Vipassana)

Thoughts are directly realted with your breathing. When the breathing slows down, you relax.

Relaxed body/mind = Lesser thoughts.]]> Energization Exercises Kirtanman@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7402&REPLY_ID=65945 Other Systems and Alternate Approaches Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:38:54 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7402 Quote:
quote:
Originally posted by Kirtanman

[quote]Originally posted by garlic

Kirtanman,
I know about that, but as you see there are 39 techniques of energization exercises. I wish to know the rest. I cannot buy those cds and booklets as because I am not 18 years of age. Nor do I have the money for that.


Hi Garlic,

My apologies; I didn't realize they only showed two or three of the exercises.
Just FYI, I never found them to be that valuable. I used to live near the Ananda Sangha in California, and took a couple of "live" energization exercise classes. I had the booklet of all the exercises, and practiced it daily for a while, and never quite "got" why they (the exercises) were emphasized so much.

My guess is: it's probably much like Tai Chi, or other disciplines that make use of internal energy: if you don't have awareness of internal energy, the given practice won't feel like much, to you.

I do a bit of Tai Chi, and it wasn't until after I became familiar with internal energy via AYP, that I really felt the flowing of energy when practicing Tai Chi.

All "just FYI"; I hope it's helpful.

Wholeheartedly,

Kirtanman


]]> Pets and Practices Victor@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7272&REPLY_ID=65939 Satsang Cafe - General Questions on AYP Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:00:01 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7272 Quote:
Cats can be so loving and intuitive or can be a pain as well. I was doing my pranayama today when my cat decided to step over my litle meditation table. I tried to gently brush him away and he jumped all over the table knocking things over! Took me awhile to get settled in my practice again. Needless to say he was tossed out the door before I sat for mantra meditation. Its kind of like having a kid that you love dearly but pisses you off sometimes and will never grow up.]]> How do you remind yourself of the greater aim? cosmic@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7408&REPLY_ID=65938 Bhakti and Karma Yoga Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:50:56 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7408 Quote:
Hi YIL

quote:
Originally posted by YogaIsLife

Does it halp to do some kind of routine (i.e. praying, kneeling with devotion, etc.) to reminds us of this?


For me, praying does. But in my case it's not a "routine"... it's very informal. I'm not the devotional type so I just say something brief to God in my own words. And express some gratitude for life. Nothing formal, it just comes from the heart.

But honestly, meditation itself has become my reminder. Like Parallax, I also find that yamas/niyamas happen more and more naturally, through meditation.

Love
cosmic]]> when meditating... Christine@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7405&REPLY_ID=65920 Support for AYP Deep Meditation and Samyama Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:28:30 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7405 Quote:
thanks Ananda.. this is very helpful... as i do not want to get caught up in the scenery !

and overload .. i will cut back on time.

i enjoy all the information and guidance on the lessons.. they never taught us this in christianity!]]> From Roy - Anandatandava Roxy@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=5468&REPLY_ID=65919 Satsang Cafe - General Questions on AYP Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:40:07 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5468 Quote:
AYP and the Endocrine System

Just a brief but important addendum to my cranial-nerve posting:

Ramping up the PNS causes a love response in the endocrine system. Fast acting endorphins (natural opioids) are the principal pleasure chemical, but oxytocin (the love and nurturing neurotransmitter) is a big, slow-acting molecule that strengthens and lengthens endorphin’s effect by locking habituation. In other words, the pleasure stays fresh, as opposed to what happens with drugs and alcohol. Oxytocin gets released in huge volumes at the peak of love-making and, in my view, the higher reaches of samadhi--like kicking the afterburners and leaving all dualism in the dust.

Dopamine, classically considered the pleasure chemical, is really more like a pleasure accountant, offering its critical appraisal of whether the pleasure received was up to expectations. Management of its drama-queen (or king) effects deserves a separate posting, because it causes most of the broad swings in mood that can come with an improperly paced practice. (Thus Yogani’s initial emphasis on meditation.) The critical elements, however, are to not compare your peak experiences against each other, or anyone else’s. Relax, be patient, be consistent in your practice, and be grateful for what you do receive.

Experts on the endocrinology of love include:

Dr. C.S. Carter, I believe with Dr. Porges at the U of Illinois/Chicago
Dr. K Uvnas-Moberg]]> appendix of the book samyama add Sutras AYAMER@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7403 Support for AYP Deep Meditation and Samyama Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:21:37 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7403

thank you ]]>