en-us Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:55:44 +0200 aypforum99@aypsite.org 60 AYP Support Forums http://www.aypsite.org/forum/ AYP Support Forums http://www.aypsite.org/forum/ http://www.aypsite.org/forum/aum2asmall.jpg AYP Support Forums RSS Feed 71 43 Cobra Breath AumNaturel@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=3009&REPLY_ID=111613 Other Systems and Alternate Approaches Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:58:00 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3009 Quote:
A contact 'initiated' me with the level 1 method, and it was used for a few months twice-daily integrated with AYP, but it naturally fell away in favor of the simplicity of SBP to which it is just about identical when considering its enhancements.

It is intended to be used after a good deal of experience with some tantric-kriya yoga methods, and even then in a very limited way. The higher levels apparently become more elaborate (the lessons here have their own take on complexity), while the final ones are only acquired in dreams, visions, etc. AYP SBP does not hold one back with such prerequisites, and considering it is recommended anywhere between 2-20 min, twice a day or more, it is much more aggressive and yet does not carry the same warnings or limitations.

There are a few versions floating around, and while I don't know enough about their varied origins, it should be enough to say they are very different. It remains to be seen whether such methods protected and upheld by secrecy and initiation alone will endure and come to the forefront, or be burried among many other worthwhile contenders. The lessons of history have already shown the course of oral traditions and those encrypted by occult symbolism. Overall, I'm not speaking for or against the method, which I truly hope has it's merits, but I do take issue with accepting any teachings that attempt to claim ownership over my free speech, knowledge, conduct, etc., and that perhaps has been the prime factor in losing interest. I hope this is of some help to members here so you don't feel as if you are missing something in practice: you are not.

But don't take my word for it, see for yourself, get the initiation, and report back if you can.]]> Kriya the misunderstood Yoga Holy@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12849&REPLY_ID=111612 Other Systems and Alternate Approaches Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:18:03 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12849 Quote:
Hi kriyawit,

what a post! =)

Hope you did not interpret the posts above as an offense. I like you, you are a good man :) We all want the best for ourselves and everyone. It is nice to read of your success in kechari mudra without the need for snipping anything.

This body here had two operations under the tongue, still being a small child and later having finished school but not having started with the university. So it was like it had to happen, it was the doctors wish. Later reading about kechari mudra here in AYP, I thought God wanted this to happen. Interestingly though, the tongue here is soo round and big, that it could not enter the 2nd stage of kechari. Only after some time of kriya yoga with lots of kriya breaths it forcefully entered the nasal pharynx. Stage 3 is a little prolematic still, as it blocks both nostrils fom the inside, so big is the tongue :P Still as needed it happens at those points where breathing is held or when the breath stops by itself and attention is in the upper regions.

One of the reasons I always felt attracted to the kriya masters was their capability to interact with you independant of time and space. They still can and do, especially Lahiri is one of the most funny ones =) He obviously likes you ;)

I also agree, that KYI kriya is not kriya anymore, so it has to be looked by itself, like AYP. Young systems with new techniques or compositions of techniques will show earlier or later how good they are. The classic kriya techniques are pretty old tested techniques, one can trace them easily back to the "Goraksha Paddhati".

If one feels attracted to KYI or AYP and has good results, who can argue. If we can find new and simple techniques which provide better results, very nice. The next 5-10 years may yield the first batch of masterlike-AYP'lers, at least that is the hope here :) Btw, no one knows about the inner circle of Yogani's practitioners, who did attend his private retreats so to speak. Reading of the "Secret of Wilders", there may already be some highly advanced ones which may also be one of the reasons for Yogani's motivation to put so much energy and time into this homepage, books and the forum :)

For those who are not so much into experimentation, they may naturally feel more attracted to practices which have proven themselves over longer periods of time, e.g. kriya yoga. Even if it demands more so to speak, it also gives more and very smoothly. At least that is the experience here.

One last hint from here to all, the principle of samyama is the tool here to check out people and masters ;) Concentration - Meditation - Samadhi with the object of attention. It works over Youtube, over anything. Watching some videos of people, being focused on that person shows earlier or later what needs to be known here. Especially those who are into spiritual practices for some years should be able to easily tune into the other and know about him directly beyond words.

Reading these words, I'm already touching you as thoughtwaves from the inside of your brain :) We are already one, even physically :)

Love and peace ]]> Why awakening doesn't last... article mr_anderson@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13061&REPLY_ID=111611 Books, Web Sites, Audio, Video, etc. Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:35:00 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13061 Quote:
Hi Parvati, are you going to do the 70 (approx) day course of the Presence Process?]]> My Kundalini Experience parvati9@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12508&REPLY_ID=111610 Kundalini Issues Not Related to the AYP System Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:49:29 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12508 Quote:
mr anderson and jeff

Thanks for your comments. Interesting bumps?...well that's one way of putting it Jeff.

Mr anderson, thanks for the Michael Brown book recommendation. Some interesting synchronicities: Coincidentally reading the section "Appreciating Appreciation" while you made the above post .. ..(yes your appreciation is appreciated) .. Another coincidence, we posted to emc's thread in the Books, Web Sites forum at about the same time today.

May we all be enfolded in love]]> What to wear? lalow33@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13063&REPLY_ID=111609 Building a Daily Practice with Self-Pacing Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:38:10 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13063 Quote:
Lauren, I've been practicing for a while; I use to wear cute clothes. Now, I don't care. At class, I have a male teacher and a lot of men in the class, so I try not to wear anything low cut. Usually, a not too big t-shirt and I tuck it in. Sometimes sweat pants and sometimes yoga pants. I take a hand towel with me. At home, if what I'm already wearing is comfy, I don't change. Home practices is gentle, Kripalu style yoga.

Bill, Here in IN I've only seen my teacher take his shirt off. All the other guys wear tighter fitting tees or tanks and gym type shorts. But if you don't want to wear a top, then don't. I can't imagine anyone caring.]]> The Bhagavad Gita bewell@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13043&REPLY_ID=111608 Books, Web Sites, Audio, Video, etc. Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:04:10 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13043 Quote:
Yes]]> Kundalini Advice........... Redsnake41@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13048&REPLY_ID=111600 Kundalini Issues Not Related to the AYP System Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:57:05 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13048 Quote:
Hi everyone.

Thanks again for all the great advice! Just to update today i sat in half lotus for meditation and had some twitches and almost no shaking but it felt like my meditation went much deeper like i was in a deep dark cave which eventually i saw a purple blob that grew to cover my whole vision. I had a LOT of pain in the tailbone that totally disappeared when i stopped meditating. Also very pleasurable ecstatic feeling that made my muscles get so tense i felt my neck crack and my left foot went numb again. I also had burning sensations in my arm which was odd.]]> Little Krishna Shanti@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13059&REPLY_ID=111599 Books, Web Sites, Audio, Video, etc. Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:55:55 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13059 Quote:
quote:
Originally posted by kami


Intoxicated with Krishna-ness.



Ahhhh!!!! Know that feeeeeelllll!!!
Love waking up intoxicated in his oneness/presence!

quote:
Originally posted by kami



P.S: Shanti, did you see who else has a liking for Bengali sweets?


Ha ha... must be a "bong" director ... sandesh and rasagulla in rose scented syrup... ]]> Moving With One's Intent: Ajna-Sahasrara-Brahman Roberto@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13057&REPLY_ID=111596 Other Systems and Alternate Approaches Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:35:40 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13057 Quote:
Dear Govinda and Kriyawit,

Thank you both for your inspiring words and this thread. Your posts are a huge help !

Rob]]> Mulabandha-beginner's question lalow33@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13053&REPLY_ID=111594 Support for AYP Pranayama, Mudras and Bandhas Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:05:45 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13053 Quote:
Thanks Christi. Not ready to add it, SBP isn't quite as smooth as I would like it to be. There is some activity at the root with each SBP session since I added it 3-4 wks ago. That's what had me confused. Appreciate you clearing things up for me.]]> From Anandatandava anandatandava@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=5468&REPLY_ID=111412 Satsang Cafe - General Questions on AYP Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:24:24 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5468 Quote:
Greatest Flame


It takes indeed the Great Flame
.....to burn in full the greatest pain
I chased this Gift and came to learn
.....how to sit and chastely burn
When Sacred Storm came on full strong
.....once my Soul sprang into Song
Sheets of Fire from sweeps of eye
.....all upon a self-born Sky.
My mantra? -- sever, center, in, in...
.....ah -- ignition -- there's the Spin!
I must now ask, O Sweet Divine
.....by what Power are you mine?
To be as with a Treasured Lover
.....holding at the Crest forever
I pierced this Sun true as an Arrow
.....breath-wings drawn both long and narrow
A Lingum stylus dropped in my groove
.....and the Sacred Spiral began to move
Now does the flute care where he lays? --
.....no, only that he purely plays
For not in human clay alone
.....is found God's fondest sacred home
Music floated out as hymnal gift
.....tho razor-wired that it might drift
Crystal rhyme set in wintry rime
.....etched and twined to glint sublime!

Tho long exiled from realms of men
.....no concern this matter has the pen
When writing's become a tantric art
.....where gendered tools play their part
The virgin lambskin coaxes on
.....urging plume to come full drawn
Soon passions reach their highest yen
.....and Love runs directly from the pen
The rush of dreams from up the well
.....choice word-drops stroked aquarelle
This Holy lift of flesh and Spirit
.....much more methinks I'd ever merit!

It seems I've been forever a bell
.....now breath-heft'd up to heartily knell
How easy 'twas to ring my chimes
.....when flying high on melodic rhymes
Gliding the lilt of tremulous cry
.....not caring if I live or die
E'en now I feel my Angel's lance
.....transfixing deeper than by glance!

To think how very long I'd sought
.....what Seed Sound now has somehow wrought
I weep then wheel to Heaven's Eye
.....blind to mundane worlds crashing by
And make madly wanton Love with God
.....jewel-pave' Ground that few have trod
Come, my friend, don't look askew
.....'tis the Fire of Love -- pray you taste of it too!

-Ananda T.]]> Jiri Vacek (Self-Realized Satguru) kami@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13028&REPLY_ID=111587 Books, Web Sites, Audio, Video, etc. Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:23:04 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13028 Quote:
quote:
Originally posted by Bodhi Tree


After reading your post, I placed some soft focus in the heart, and I heard the sound of trumpets, then I saw an image of horses galloping, then my body got catapulted into the sand--head-first, and then my body became a flagpole planted in the beach, which Sean Connery proceeded to pick up and hurl at a red dragon, and then I realized I was Sean Connery, the red dragon, the flagpole, and everything else, so I bailed out of the vision. And I share this...because...perhaps you will find some amusement in my lunacy.


There is scenery and then there is scenery.

quote:
Originally posted by AumNaturel


He elaborates that a seeker and practitioner may not always understand or be suitable [ripeness, obstructions] for the highest teachings immediately (anupaya, no method, be as you are, I am That, etc.), and so other approaches down a progressive scale are instead made available. This is where all the limbs of yoga come in to complete the entire spectrum of transformation, and to certainly enable its furthest reaches as much as possible.


Wow, the whole summary is fantastic Aum! Thank you also for providing the references - very helpful.

Recently, I was reading a bit about Aghoras - those that practice tantra in an extreme form (practices that can make most of us queasy), the other end of the spectrum. It is humbling and beautiful to see how many paths there are to God - as many as there are beings. In every case, Ishwara experiencing Itself in that unique and peculiar way.

Love.]]> Does the earth really have mind control spirits? catrynn@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12955&REPLY_ID=111585 Satsang Cafe - General Questions on AYP Wed, 19 Jun 2013 05:35:26 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12955 Quote:
Hi Crasymandrew! You enquired originally about natural spirits? Perhaps you would be interested in the Perelandra Ltd Site where Machelle Small Wright works with Nature Spirits. There is fascinating stuff there on her experiences. What you make of them is up to you ]]> Help please for asanas for over 60's catrynn@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12976&REPLY_ID=111584 Asanas - Postures and Physical Culture Wed, 19 Jun 2013 05:12:05 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12976 Quote:
Hi Lauren. Thanks so much for that. I will give it a gentle go and see what happens. The discussion arose from Yogani's asana recommendations which includes inverted poses. I was looking for an alternative to the one he suggested. At my age I am into a small amount of exercise that does a lot - like his 7 strengthening exercises. I think I am into small doses of everything that do a lot! ]]> Improving the quality of your sleep with inversion Arman@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13060 Asanas - Postures and Physical Culture Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:18:03 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13060
Anyway although I haven't experimented enough to say whether or not my sleep has changed, I can say from the few times I've tried it - once I hop into bed I feel the most fantastic ease and warmth! I've discovered I love inversions.

Anyway I hope some find this interesting or helpful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc5-ujcPi1c]]> Can nadi shodana be an alternitive to SBP? Holy@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12509&REPLY_ID=111577 Support for AYP Pranayama, Mudras and Bandhas Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:54:21 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12509 Quote:
Hi OneLeaf,

here http://www.dlshq.org/download/pranayama.pdf you can find a lot of info on ida/pingala and about pranayma techniques to purify them (including nadi sodhana).

The best way is to try it out yourself and see what happens in your channels and the body-mind.]]> Some words from stillness Bodhi Tree@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13056&REPLY_ID=111578 Illuminated Poetry, Quotations and Stories Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:46:32 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13056 Quote:
Splendid. ]]> Gurunath - an experience report from 2013 Holy@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13039&REPLY_ID=111575 Gurus, Sages and Higher Beings Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:46:37 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13039 Quote:
:) Thank you all for the feedback.

@BillinL.A

I feel this is an important addition as you mention the guru within. Yogani repeats this with every post aswell. This topic area is described by him with:

"Those who help us - mirrors of our inner light."

And all I can say is, yes it is exactly this.

The day after the weekend spiritual practice was not really possible here, only once a day a small amount. The intensity was still very high. It was being filled with very high quality prana enabling you to experience how it is like if you continue with the practice. The whole weekend was like a sneak preview into your own possibility so to speak.

Remaining at home, instead of going to the uni on Monday, there was a regeneration from the high voltage experience so to speak :) Tuesday was working day, a side job. Going out again made it clear how heightened still all the percpetion and functioning was. Gurunath's presence was one with the own presence. At several times in the day the whole moment became very present, very intense and was one love. It was like being one with the moment as love, intelligent godly one love. The peace of one love. It was also like this had to be brought into that working area, where all those workers really needed this. This nondual one love happened several times, again and again, while the presence of Gurunath, the presence here and the moment was one. This continued for some more days and decreased in intensity. Joy, love, peace and bliss was before that aswell, with the weekend it got another depth, another intensity, like a rememberance of "hey, there is more, don't forget this". A lot of good things has happened since, interaction with friends, sharing of love and joy. One dear friend here was a little uneasy with me, as I did not hold up a promise to visit for very long. Today this happened very lovely and smoothly aswell, the friends heart who obviously was harmed a little was touched like a balsam again.

There are threads and posts where I had described my experience with different masters and that some love to remain present, playful in the screen so to speak and some remain more in the backround. Gurunath is of that type, he likes to be yourself and only if you want it he comes out of you, showing you that he is with you as you, experiencing every split moment with and as you. This time on that weekend he also mentioned that he is "with those who practice every moment, moment by moment every moment". Another sentence from him was, "the more you depend on God, the more dependable he becomes." Later he said, "for those who have no clear god-connection, this applies for the Guru aswell. The more you depend on the Guru, the more he becomes dependable." "I'm with you moment by moment." How can a Guru be with you moment by moment, if not by being you :)

I know there are some conflicts for some, here those conflicts with Guru or no Guru has disappeared many years ago already. The appearance of bodies does not imply there can be no oneness at the same time. It is even more of a wonder that one can look through two bodies still remaining one :)

Peace to all :)]]> I can't get it Arman@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13027&REPLY_ID=111572 Support for AYP Deep Meditation and Samyama Tue, 18 Jun 2013 17:00:15 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13027 Quote:
Beautiful post from Mr_Anderson. :)

In my very early meditating days I felt nothing. These days it changes from time to time. For some time my meditation may be very peaceful. I feel like I can sink into a peaceful place and keeping the concentration feels easy and nice. Then for a few weeks meditation may be incredibly boring and thoughts enter my mind easily. Then for a few days I might find I can hardly meditate for longer than 2 minutes without wanting to jump up and down or sing the song that is stuck in my head because of the energy bouncing around.

Right now meditation is somewhere in the middle of all those things. I think some people never experience any kind of "symptoms" or energetically occurrences during their meditation.

You may find a time where you wish that your meditation experiences were as simple/'boring' as they once were... or maybe not. I can see many benefits in both having interesting experiences and not having then. I suspect your nervous system is perfect for your journey so I wouldn't worry... although I highly doubt you're still worrying after all the amazing advice and words from the members here. ]]> Petechiae machi@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13046&REPLY_ID=111554 Kundalini Issues Not Related to the AYP System Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:58:07 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13046 Quote:
After a doctor's visit, it indeed seems unlikely that there is a (direct) relation between petechiae and kundalini activity.]]> Adyashanti Intensive kami@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12716&REPLY_ID=111540 Gurus, Sages and Higher Beings Mon, 17 Jun 2013 22:45:24 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12716 Quote:
quote:
Originally posted by Chakburthi

I really, really, really love listening to Adyashanti. Initially though, I also had the impression that he is almost trying to convince his students with his beautiful eloquence towards enlightenment. But he is indeed not ignorant of the energetic aspects of the path. Also see: http://youtu.be/WysDN5oVqZA
where Adyashanti appears to be everything but embarrassed about his Kundalini experience...
I think his teachings address those ripe ones that have already gone through the Kundalini stage. I have also listened to him, advising a student that has asked about the energy. He basically ignored her question and suggested trying to figure out who is aware (of the energy).


Thank you for sharing the video Chakburthi.

I would agree that his (as well as some other similar teachers) teachings appeal to those who might be ripe enough to make that subtle shift to "who" is aware of the energy or the silence.

After 3 months, I'm still in awe of his humble yet magnificent presence. If anything, he seemed embarrassed to be up on stage as the teacher..

Love to you.]]> Mahavatar Babaji psiberangel@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=12737&REPLY_ID=111532 Gurus, Sages and Higher Beings Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:12:30 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12737 Quote:
You're welcome BillinL.A. I'm glad I could share.]]> Who wants energy? Bodhi Tree@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13049&REPLY_ID=111534 Illuminated Poetry, Quotations and Stories Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:11:24 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13049 Quote:
Niiicceee... ]]> This is "my world." Bodhi Tree@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=13051&REPLY_ID=111533 Illuminated Poetry, Quotations and Stories Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:08:16 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13051 Quote:
Welcome to our world. ]]> book on Bliss from 70's 80's snake@aypsite.org http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13055 Books, Web Sites, Audio, Video, etc. Mon, 17 Jun 2013 16:43:46 +0200 http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13055 Bluish cover seem to remember.
anyone remember it?
thanks
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